Heat, Spurs and Celtics express significant interest in Vucevic

[Celtics2021]

He’d be a great fit here.  Offensively, he’d be like an upgraded version of Horford.

That said, this “rumor” is coming from Kevin O’Connor, meaning that it’s not based on any real source.  He probably just read Shams’ column.

I’m a new poster, but wasn’t O’Connor with you when this was part of Celticsblog?  Was that somehow related to the split?

[johnnygreen]

For Vucevic

Danny would have to include Smart, Timelord, Langford or Nesmith and multiple 1sts. Something that hurts like this

Just can't see Ainge doing this. Not for a 30 year old center that is an OK but not very good defender

Based upon what?

Simple math.

Would you take either semi, grant williams, edwards, green, langford or all of them for vuc? I wouldn't and no team would.

That’s fairly non-responsive.

I must be missing something. What are questioning? The ability of Vucevic, or who would need to be included in a trade from Danny?

[Roy H.]

He’d be a great fit here.  Offensively, he’d be like an upgraded version of Horford.

That said, this “rumor” is coming from Kevin O’Connor, meaning that it’s not based on any real source.  He probably just read Shams’ column.

I’m a new poster, but wasn’t O’Connor with you when this was part of Celticsblog?  Was that somehow related to the split?

He was, but that wasn’t part of the split between front page and forums.  SB Nation promised that CelticsBlog would keep its forums when they acquired the blog.  After awhile, they decided to no longer honor that promise.

I like KOC fine as a draft analyst.  I don’t believe he has a single legitimate source that knows anything, however.

[Roy H.]

For Vucevic

Danny would have to include Smart, Timelord, Langford or Nesmith and multiple 1sts. Something that hurts like this

Just can't see Ainge doing this. Not for a 30 year old center that is an OK but not very good defender

Based upon what?

Simple math.

Would you take either semi, grant williams, edwards, green, langford or all of them for vuc? I wouldn't and no team would.

That’s fairly non-responsive.

I must be missing something. What are questioning? The ability of Vucevic, or who would need to be included in a trade from Danny?

The imaginary price tag Triboy created.

[Donoghus]

He’d be a great fit here.  Offensively, he’d be like an upgraded version of Horford.

That said, this “rumor” is coming from Kevin O’Connor, meaning that it’s not based on any real source.  He probably just read Shams’ column.

I’m a new poster, but wasn’t O’Connor with you when this was part of Celticsblog?  Was that somehow related to the split?

He was.  We actually have a pretty good alumni base.

The split was a result of SB Nation essentially purging messageboards from their team sites.

[GreenWarrior]

For Vucevic

Danny would have to include Smart, Timelord, Langford or Nesmith and multiple 1sts. Something that hurts like this

Just can't see Ainge doing this. Not for a 30 year old center that is an OK but not very good defender

Based upon what?

Simple math.

Would you take either semi, grant williams, edwards, green, langford or all of them for vuc? I wouldn't and no team would.

That’s fairly non-responsive.

Lol ok...

I laid the other alternative at our disposal as you said the other one was based on nothing. Obviously one of those guys would have to be involved as those others guys combined are worthless.

Oops, maybe not completely worthless I'm sure there's some team out there that might give up a late 2nd rnd pick for one or two of those guys.

[Roy H.]

For Vucevic

Danny would have to include Smart, Timelord, Langford or Nesmith and multiple 1sts. Something that hurts like this

Just can't see Ainge doing this. Not for a 30 year old center that is an OK but not very good defender

Based upon what?

Simple math.

Would you take either semi, grant williams, edwards, green, langford or all of them for vuc? I wouldn't and no team would.

That’s fairly non-responsive.

Lol ok...

I laid the other alternative at our disposal as you said the other one was based on nothing. Obviously one of those guys would have to be involved as those others guys combined are worthless.

Oops, maybe not completely worthless I'm sure there's some team out there that might give up a late 2nd rnd pick for one or two of those guys.

Again, non-responsive.

Statement:  It would take Smart, Timelord, Nesmith or Romeo, and multiple first rounders

Question:  Based upon what?

Statement:  Orlando isn’t trade Vuc for our 10th - 15th best players

You believe that that is a responsive answer?

[GreenWarrior]

For Vucevic

Danny would have to include Smart, Timelord, Langford or Nesmith and multiple 1sts. Something that hurts like this

Just can't see Ainge doing this. Not for a 30 year old center that is an OK but not very good defender

Based upon what?

Simple math.

Would you take either semi, grant williams, edwards, green, langford or all of them for vuc? I wouldn't and no team would.

That’s fairly non-responsive.

Lol ok...

I laid the other alternative at our disposal as you said the other one was based on nothing. Obviously one of those guys would have to be involved as those others guys combined are worthless.

Oops, maybe not completely worthless I'm sure there's some team out there that might give up a late 2nd rnd pick for one or two of those guys.

Again, non-responsive.

Statement:  It would take Smart, Timelord, Nesmith or Romeo, and multiple first rounders

Question:  Based upon what?

Statement:  Orlando isn’t trade Vuc for our 10th - 15th best players

You believe that that is a responsive answer?

Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't a response.

"non responsive" would've been no post.


Better question what do you consider a better deal than what triboy stated?

[PhoSita]

I just don't know what the Celts can really offer to beat what other teams are likely to offer.

Especially big problem that for cap reasons it will be difficult to trade for Vooch without including either Smart or Kemba, which would seriously undermine the benefit of such a trade.

[mmmmm]

I doubt Celtics are interested in Vuc.  He's great fit offensively, but poor fit defensively.

I'm even more skeptical that the Heat would have any interest.   Would they be moving Bam to power forward?  It makes little sense to me.

Probably coming from ORL or Vuc's agent to drum up interest.

Agreed.

Vuc only makes sense if you are in need of more offense from the 5 spot and were willing to expend more possessions to get it.  But we are getting overall decent production on modest utilization from our 3-headed Center rotation with arguably much better defense.

Vucevic would require more usage and be taking possessions out of the hands of our wings & guards.   That isn't necessarily going to be resulting in more total points.

What we need offensively is someone to fill in minutes at wings who has enough offensive gravity and capability to enhance the efficiency of our existing weapons without requiring a lot of possessions used.  Someone who can help create space by holding a defender on the perimeter.  Vucevic isn't going to help with that.

And defensively, we need someone who can switch and credibly defend on the perimeter.  We are 21st in opponent 3PT%.  Vucevic isn't going to help on that either.

[GreenWarrior]

I just don't know what the Celts can really offer to beat what other teams are likely to offer.

Especially big problem that for cap reasons it will be difficult to trade for Vooch without including either Smart or Kemba, which would seriously undermine the benefit of such a trade.

Exactly the point I've been trying to make but we'd all prefer to take the long road to understanding that.

[johnnygreen]

I doubt Celtics are interested in Vuc.  He's great fit offensively, but poor fit defensively.

I'm even more skeptical that the Heat would have any interest.   Would they be moving Bam to power forward?  It makes little sense to me.

Probably coming from ORL or Vuc's agent to drum up interest.

Agreed.

Vuc only makes sense if you are in need of more offense from the 5 spot and were willing to expend more possessions to get it.  But we are getting overall decent production on modest utilization from our 3-headed Center rotation with arguably much better defense.

Vucevic would require more usage and be taking possessions out of the hands of our wings & guards.   That isn't necessarily going to be resulting in more total points.

What we need offensively is someone to fill in minutes at wings who has enough offensive gravity and capability to enhance the efficiency of our existing weapons without requiring a lot of possessions used.  Someone who can help create space by holding a defender on the perimeter.  Vucevic isn't going to help with that.

And defensively, we need someone who can switch and credibly defend on the perimeter.  We are 21st in opponent 3PT%.  Vucevic isn't going to help on that either.

I would rather have a guy that can operate in the paint, and create easy points. An offensive player that can work in the paint, also helps accumulate fouls on the defense, and helps his team get to the free throw line too. Jump shooters simply don't do that. Maybe the team gets to the bonus a little earlier each quarter than they do now with Vucevic. Even if that means an extra 6 attempts per game, that is fairly significant. The Celtics 3 headed monster they have now, is serviceable, but can't be relied upon from game to game from a scoring perspective.

[perks-a-beast]

I think CHA is the most likely destination. I could see them offering a package of PJ Washington, Malik Monk, Cody Zeller, and a protected 1st. Thats way more than BOS, MIA, or SAS will be able to give up.

[mmmmm]

I doubt Celtics are interested in Vuc.  He's great fit offensively, but poor fit defensively.

I'm even more skeptical that the Heat would have any interest.   Would they be moving Bam to power forward?  It makes little sense to me.

Probably coming from ORL or Vuc's agent to drum up interest.

Agreed.

Vuc only makes sense if you are in need of more offense from the 5 spot and were willing to expend more possessions to get it.  But we are getting overall decent production on modest utilization from our 3-headed Center rotation with arguably much better defense.

Vucevic would require more usage and be taking possessions out of the hands of our wings & guards.   That isn't necessarily going to be resulting in more total points.

What we need offensively is someone to fill in minutes at wings who has enough offensive gravity and capability to enhance the efficiency of our existing weapons without requiring a lot of possessions used.  Someone who can help create space by holding a defender on the perimeter.  Vucevic isn't going to help with that.

And defensively, we need someone who can switch and credibly defend on the perimeter.  We are 21st in opponent 3PT%.  Vucevic isn't going to help on that either.

I would rather have a guy that can operate in the paint, and create easy points. An offensive player that can work in the paint, also helps accumulate fouls on the defense, and helps his team get to the free throw line too. Jump shooters simply don't do that. Maybe the team gets to the bonus a little earlier each quarter than they do now with Vucevic. Even if that means an extra 6 attempts per game, that is fairly significant. The Celtics 3 headed monster they have now, is serviceable, but can't be relied upon from game to game from a scoring perspective.

But they can't, collectively, get played off the floor from a defensive perspective.  Late in games when teams go small, Vucevic would become a liability against the better offenses that spread the floor and those that play heavy pick & roll, forcing him onto a small.

And it's not just about taking jump shots.  A major point of having the _threat_ of outside shooting is to open up _space_ for attacking inside.   

The Celtics actually don't take an excess of outside shots.  They are 20th in percentage of shots that are 3PT shots.   Conversely, they are tied for 3rd in percentage of shots that are between 3-10 ft.

[Tr1boy]

For Vucevic

Danny would have to include Smart, Timelord, Langford or Nesmith and multiple 1sts. Something that hurts like this

Just can't see Ainge doing this. Not for a 30 year old center that is an OK but not very good defender

Based upon what?

Simple math.

Would you take either semi, grant williams, edwards, green, langford or all of them for vuc? I wouldn't and no team would.

That’s fairly non-responsive.

Lol ok...

I laid the other alternative at our disposal as you said the other one was based on nothing. Obviously one of those guys would have to be involved as those others guys combined are worthless.

Oops, maybe not completely worthless I'm sure there's some team out there that might give up a late 2nd rnd pick for one or two of those guys.

Again, non-responsive.

Statement:  It would take Smart, Timelord, Nesmith or Romeo, and multiple first rounders

Question:  Based upon what?

Statement:  Orlando isn’t trade Vuc for our 10th - 15th best players

You believe that that is a responsive answer?

Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean it wasn't a response.

"non responsive" would've been no post.


Better question what do you consider a better deal than what triboy stated?

I would like to see an alternative/better proposal as well. Instead of criticizing my guess as to what it would take to make a competitive offer for Vucevic