What About Collins Now and KAT Later?

[GreenlyGreeny]

How would you feel if the following happened:

1) We trade the Kanter TPE, R. Williams and 2-3 first-rounders for Collins right now.

2) Max given to Collins. 

3) We get lucky and KAT becomes disgruntled/demands a trade and wants to follow KG’s path to Boston (so he can be the big Celtic to AD’s Laker and Embiid’s 76er...perfect rivalries lol). We then flip Collins and picks/swaps for KAT. Re-sign Theis, Ojeyele and add a ring-chasing vet who can play the 2/3.

Is this team good enough to win it all in 2021-2022:

Walker/Pritchard/Edwards or Madar
Smart/Langford/Ring-chasing vet
Brown/Nesmith/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis/G. Williams
KAT/TT

To me, that’s like building the 2008 Big 3 when they’re in their mid 20s...can you say dynasty? Is there any way someone can convince KAT to force it? lol

If I’m Minnesota, Collins and picks/swaps for a disgruntled KAT looking for a fresh start is a pretty enticing offer, especially if I end up with the second overall pick and get Evan Mobley...

[gouki88]

Do Atlanta want TimeLord? He can’t play alongside their marquee C in Capela

[SparzWizard]

I don't want to give up Timelord though. Give them Nesmith instead

[Ilikesports17]

People have already pointed out the problem with Timelord being involved but the far bigger problem would be that Collins isn’t a sufficient centerpiece for KAT unless we wanna Clippers or Nets ourselves in terms of picks.

Granted that’s not the worst idea with a Brown-Tatum-KAT big 3 but probably the bigger hurdle at the moment

[Somebody]

Do Atlanta want TimeLord? He can’t play alongside their marquee C in Capela

I guess they can make it work by getting Capela to guard big forwards and have Timelord play in the high post on offence, but yeah it's a terrible fit.

[PAOBoston]

Why don’t we just trade for Collins and pair him next to Timelord?

[jambr380]

I don't want to give up Timelord though. Give them Nesmith instead

Yeah, he's like 3rd or 4th on my untouchable list for the Cs. If he isn't highly coveted by ATL (meaning we wouldn't really have to give ANYTHING else up), then I would do my best to hold on to him.

I also want to mention how people often throw out Nesmith/Langford in trades like they are interchangeable. I have nothing concrete to back this up, but is my belief that the Cs value Langford quite a bit more than Nesmith. I imagine any trade we make with the TPE, or for a player like Collins, it will be Nesmith who is first out the door.

[footey]

I don't want to give up Timelord though. Give them Nesmith instead

Yeah, he's like 3rd or 4th on my untouchable list for the Cs. If he isn't highly coveted by ATL (meaning we wouldn't really have to give ANYTHING else up), then I would do my best to hold on to him.

I also want to mention how people often throw out Nesmith/Langford in trades like they are interchangeable. I have nothing concrete to back this up, but is my belief that the Cs value Langford quite a bit more than Nesmith. I imagine any trade we make with the TPE, or for a player like Collins, it will be Nesmith who is first out the door.

On one hand I agree with your assessment regarding Langford valued more by Celts than Nesmith. On the other hand, Danny puts a very high value on shooting, and Nesmith projects to be an elite shooter based on college profile. Langford does not.

[jambr380]

I don't want to give up Timelord though. Give them Nesmith instead

Yeah, he's like 3rd or 4th on my untouchable list for the Cs. If he isn't highly coveted by ATL (meaning we wouldn't really have to give ANYTHING else up), then I would do my best to hold on to him.

I also want to mention how people often throw out Nesmith/Langford in trades like they are interchangeable. I have nothing concrete to back this up, but is my belief that the Cs value Langford quite a bit more than Nesmith. I imagine any trade we make with the TPE, or for a player like Collins, it will be Nesmith who is first out the door.

On one hand I agree with your assessment regarding Langford valued more by Celts than Nesmith. On the other hand, Danny puts a very high value on shooting, and Nesmith projects to be an elite shooter based on college profile. Langford does not.

I'm all about it clicking with Nesmith and having him take the league by storm. I even love what I've seen in terms of his hustle and defensive instincts. But, even with guys in and out of the line-up, Nesmith hasn't even been able to find time over the likes of Semi, Javonte, or Grant.

Whereas with Langford, it seems we couldn't get him back fast enough for the playoffs, and he was playing valuable rotation minutes when he was finally available. He was also a one year college player, as opposed to Nesmith who played two (shortened) years. They are also exactly the same age.

I agree that Nesmith obviously projects to be a better shooter, but Langford pretty much projects to be better at everything else and I think that the front office might value Langford's future potential over Nesmith's.

[Csfan1984]

I think if you are the Hawks you want better fits for Young. While C's get more upside athletic players.

Smart and Theis
for
Collins, Dunn and Reddish

Hawks
Young, Smart, Hunter, Theis, Capela
Rondo, Heurter, Bog, Gali, Okongu.

Celtics
Kemba, JB, JT, Collins, TL
Teague, PP, Reddish, GW, TT

Can BS get more out of Dunn and Reddish to make it a trade win?

[Goldstar88]

How would you feel if the following happened:

1) We trade the Kanter TPE, R. Williams and 2-3 first-rounders for Collins right now.

2) Max given to Collins.

3) We get lucky and KAT becomes disgruntled/demands a trade and wants to follow KG’s path to Boston (so he can be the big Celtic to AD’s Laker and Embiid’s 76er...perfect rivalries lol). We then flip Collins and picks/swaps for KAT. Re-sign Theis, Ojeyele and add a ring-chasing vet who can play the 2/3.

Is this team good enough to win it all in 2021-2022:

Walker/Pritchard/Edwards or Madar
Smart/Langford/Ring-chasing vet
Brown/Nesmith/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis/G. Williams
KAT/TT

To me, that’s like building the 2008 Big 3 when they’re in their mid 20s...can you say dynasty? Is there any way someone can convince KAT to force it? lol

If I’m Minnesota, Collins and picks/swaps for a disgruntled KAT looking for a fresh start is a pretty enticing offer, especially if I end up with the second overall pick and get Evan Mobley...

You don’t give a guy who is only averaging 18ppg and 7reb as a second option on a mediocre Hawks team a max contract.

[PAOBoston]

How would you feel if the following happened:

1) We trade the Kanter TPE, R. Williams and 2-3 first-rounders for Collins right now.

2) Max given to Collins.

3) We get lucky and KAT becomes disgruntled/demands a trade and wants to follow KG’s path to Boston (so he can be the big Celtic to AD’s Laker and Embiid’s 76er...perfect rivalries lol). We then flip Collins and picks/swaps for KAT. Re-sign Theis, Ojeyele and add a ring-chasing vet who can play the 2/3.

Is this team good enough to win it all in 2021-2022:

Walker/Pritchard/Edwards or Madar
Smart/Langford/Ring-chasing vet
Brown/Nesmith/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis/G. Williams
KAT/TT

To me, that’s like building the 2008 Big 3 when they’re in their mid 20s...can you say dynasty? Is there any way someone can convince KAT to force it? lol

If I’m Minnesota, Collins and picks/swaps for a disgruntled KAT looking for a fresh start is a pretty enticing offer, especially if I end up with the second overall pick and get Evan Mobley...

You don’t give a guy who is only averaging 18ppg and 7reb as a second option on a mediocre Hawks team a max contract.

Didn’t the Cs do this with Jaylen Brown prior to last year? Prior to that, Brown was like averaging 13 pts a game. Collins is a good player. Basically averaged a double double the last two years.

[Goldstar88]

How would you feel if the following happened:

1) We trade the Kanter TPE, R. Williams and 2-3 first-rounders for Collins right now.

2) Max given to Collins.

3) We get lucky and KAT becomes disgruntled/demands a trade and wants to follow KG’s path to Boston (so he can be the big Celtic to AD’s Laker and Embiid’s 76er...perfect rivalries lol). We then flip Collins and picks/swaps for KAT. Re-sign Theis, Ojeyele and add a ring-chasing vet who can play the 2/3.

Is this team good enough to win it all in 2021-2022:

Walker/Pritchard/Edwards or Madar
Smart/Langford/Ring-chasing vet
Brown/Nesmith/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis/G. Williams
KAT/TT

To me, that’s like building the 2008 Big 3 when they’re in their mid 20s...can you say dynasty? Is there any way someone can convince KAT to force it? lol

If I’m Minnesota, Collins and picks/swaps for a disgruntled KAT looking for a fresh start is a pretty enticing offer, especially if I end up with the second overall pick and get Evan Mobley...

You don’t give a guy who is only averaging 18ppg and 7reb as a second option on a mediocre Hawks team a max contract.

Didn’t the Cs do this with Jaylen Brown prior to last year? Prior to that, Brown was like averaging 13 pts a game. Collins is a good player. Basically averaged a double double the last two years.

Brown was not a second option on a mediocre team. Jaylen was getting better each season, Collins numbers are down significantly this year compared to the prior two. He’s a decent player, but not worth a max contract.

[PAOBoston]

How would you feel if the following happened:

1) We trade the Kanter TPE, R. Williams and 2-3 first-rounders for Collins right now.

2) Max given to Collins.

3) We get lucky and KAT becomes disgruntled/demands a trade and wants to follow KG’s path to Boston (so he can be the big Celtic to AD’s Laker and Embiid’s 76er...perfect rivalries lol). We then flip Collins and picks/swaps for KAT. Re-sign Theis, Ojeyele and add a ring-chasing vet who can play the 2/3.

Is this team good enough to win it all in 2021-2022:

Walker/Pritchard/Edwards or Madar
Smart/Langford/Ring-chasing vet
Brown/Nesmith/Ojeyele
Tatum/Theis/G. Williams
KAT/TT

To me, that’s like building the 2008 Big 3 when they’re in their mid 20s...can you say dynasty? Is there any way someone can convince KAT to force it? lol

If I’m Minnesota, Collins and picks/swaps for a disgruntled KAT looking for a fresh start is a pretty enticing offer, especially if I end up with the second overall pick and get Evan Mobley...

You don’t give a guy who is only averaging 18ppg and 7reb as a second option on a mediocre Hawks team a max contract.

Didn’t the Cs do this with Jaylen Brown prior to last year? Prior to that, Brown was like averaging 13 pts a game. Collins is a good player. Basically averaged a double double the last two years.

Brown was not a second option on a mediocre team. Jaylen was getting better each season, Collins numbers are down significantly this year compared to the prior two. He’s a decent player, but not worth a max contract.

JB was literally like the 3/4th option putting up 13 ppg leading to his contract. Collins is putting up statistically similar numbers to his previous two years. He’s basically right around his career averages. He’s been a 20/10 guy for basically 3/4 years in his career so far on the NBA.

[hodgy03038]

I was listening to NBA Radio on Sirius XM today and only caught part of an interview with Cedric Maxwellseems sruof the Cperhaps wanting to go after Porzingis. I know none of the details or how much validity there is to it but would he be a good fit here?