Getting Beal: What's the strategy?

[gouki88]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

exactly. Not even close

Jrue Holiday is better at everything besides scoring the ball. Talent isn't just scoring, you realise?

Reality is you guys will convince no one that jrue Holiday is worth more  or equal to beal in trade value.

And if you don't believe me then why don't we just go after jrue instead of beal if he is

It doesn't really matter, I'm not the one who made the comparison. Beal has higher value, especially in a vacuum. But there are a few things that probably diminish his value slightly. I put Beal in the 15-20 range, given his average 3 point shooting and his bad defence. I put Holiday in the 25-30 range. Not too far off.

Beal's trade value is hampered by Washington's perceived status as sellers, his inflated numbers on bad teams (numbers that he hasn't come close to replicating on good teams) and his contract situation.

[Moranis]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

exactly. Not even close

Jrue Holiday is better at everything besides scoring the ball. Talent isn't just scoring, you realise?

Reality is you guys will convince no one that jrue Holiday is worth more  or equal to beal in trade value.

And if you don't believe me then why don't we just go after jrue instead of beal if he is

It doesn't really matter, I'm not the one who made the comparison. Beal has higher value, especially in a vacuum. But there are a few things that probably diminish his value slightly. I put Beal in the 15-20 range, given his average 3 point shooting and his bad defence. I put Holiday in the 25-30 range. Not too far off.

Beal's trade value is hampered by Washington's perceived status as sellers, his inflated numbers on bad teams (numbers that he hasn't come close to replicating on good teams) and his contract situation.

Plus, Milwaukee was desperate to land someone to keep Giannis in town so they overpaid for him.

[GreenWarrior]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

exactly. Not even close

Jrue Holiday is better at everything besides scoring the ball. Talent isn't just scoring, you realise?

Reality is you guys will convince no one that jrue Holiday is worth more  or equal to beal in trade value.

And if you don't believe me then why don't we just go after jrue instead of beal if he is

It doesn't really matter, I'm not the one who made the comparison. Beal has higher value, especially in a vacuum. But there are a few things that probably diminish his value slightly. I put Beal in the 15-20 range, given his average 3 point shooting and his bad defence. I put Holiday in the 25-30 range. Not too far off.

Beal's trade value is hampered by Washington's perceived status as sellers, his inflated numbers on bad teams (numbers that he hasn't come close to replicating on good teams) and his contract situation.

Plus, Milwaukee was desperate to land someone to keep Giannis in town so they overpaid for him.

Ahh excellent point that I'd completely overlooked!

If anything this thread has proven to me that pursuing beal in a deal that would include brown or tatum would be disastrous.

So really the only option is kemba and like I stated earlier danny tried shopping kemba in the off season and the other gm's were offended that he tried to sell em damaged goods.

So in reality we have no options.

[GreenWarrior]

Here's the link about danny trying to move kemba.
https://nesn.com/2021/02/nba-rumors-danny-ainge-tried-like-hell-to-trade-kemba-walker/

[slamtheking]

Here's the link about danny trying to move kemba.
https://nesn.com/2021/02/nba-rumors-danny-ainge-tried-like-hell-to-trade-kemba-walker/

same Cowherd crap regurgitated by someone else without any real link to the team or any further insight.

[LilRip]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

exactly. Not even close

Jrue Holiday is better at everything besides scoring the ball. Talent isn't just scoring, you realise?

Don’t you mean Beal is better at everything besides defense?

[Moranis]

Here's the link about danny trying to move kemba.
https://nesn.com/2021/02/nba-rumors-danny-ainge-tried-like-hell-to-trade-kemba-walker/

same Cowherd crap regurgitated by someone else without any real link to the team or any further insight.

there were all sorts of articles around the draft that Boston was trying to move Kemba to get a top 5 pick in the draft

[Moranis]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

exactly. Not even close

Jrue Holiday is better at everything besides scoring the ball. Talent isn't just scoring, you realise?

Don’t you mean Beal is better at everything besides defense?

no. Because he isn't.  Holiday is a significantly better passer.  He is a better rebounder.  For the last year and a half he has even been the better shooter from 3. 

Beal is an elite scorer and that has more value than anything else, but Holiday is absolutely better at basically everything else on the court.

[slamtheking]

Here's the link about danny trying to move kemba.
https://nesn.com/2021/02/nba-rumors-danny-ainge-tried-like-hell-to-trade-kemba-walker/

same Cowherd crap regurgitated by someone else without any real link to the team or any further insight.

there were all sorts of articles around the draft that Boston was trying to move Kemba to get a top 5 pick in the draft

perhaps but the notion that other GMs are mad at him has only been put forth by Cowherd so I don't find that particularly believable.

[Roy H.]

I don’t think we get him, but...

Step 1.  Celtics trade TPE and #2 for Otto Porter or any other large expiring;

Step 2.  Celtics trade Porter, Marcus, Timelord, 4 unprotected #1s and 3 pick swaps to Washington


That’s probably the type of value that Washington is looking for if they move him.

[slamtheking]

I don’t think we get him, but...

Step 1.  Celtics trade TPE and #2 for Otto Porter or any other large expiring;

Step 2.  Celtics trade Porter, Marcus, Timelord, 4 unprotected #1s and 3 pick swaps to Washington


That’s probably the type of value that Washington is looking for if they move him.

I could get behind that but not for 7 firsts included with the players.  2 firsts and 2 swaps at most.  the chances someone could get injured and cost us on those swaps isn't exactly farfetched

[Roy H.]

I don’t think we get him, but...

Step 1.  Celtics trade TPE and #2 for Otto Porter or any other large expiring;

Step 2.  Celtics trade Porter, Marcus, Timelord, 4 unprotected #1s and 3 pick swaps to Washington


That’s probably the type of value that Washington is looking for if they move him.

I could get behind that but not for 7 firsts included with the players.  2 firsts and 2 swaps at most.  the chances someone could get injured and cost us on those swaps isn't exactly farfetched

I totally get it. I just think that’s going to be the asking price, or something similar. It’s about what Brooklyn paid for Harden.

[Moranis]

Here's the link about danny trying to move kemba.
https://nesn.com/2021/02/nba-rumors-danny-ainge-tried-like-hell-to-trade-kemba-walker/

same Cowherd crap regurgitated by someone else without any real link to the team or any further insight.

there were all sorts of articles around the draft that Boston was trying to move Kemba to get a top 5 pick in the draft

perhaps but the notion that other GMs are mad at him has only been put forth by Cowherd so I don't find that particularly believable.

It wasn't Cowherd, it was Bucher I think (or some other NBA writer that was on his show).  And if you listen to the context of the entire interview that isn't really what he was saying.

[Moranis]

I don’t think we get him, but...

Step 1.  Celtics trade TPE and #2 for Otto Porter or any other large expiring;

Step 2.  Celtics trade Porter, Marcus, Timelord, 4 unprotected #1s and 3 pick swaps to Washington


That’s probably the type of value that Washington is looking for if they move him.

I could get behind that but not for 7 firsts included with the players.  2 firsts and 2 swaps at most.  the chances someone could get injured and cost us on those swaps isn't exactly farfetched

I totally get it. I just think that’s going to be the asking price, or something similar. It’s about what Brooklyn paid for Harden.

Except Harden is a significantly better player.  No one will pay that price for Beal. 

[gouki88]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

exactly. Not even close

Jrue Holiday is better at everything besides scoring the ball. Talent isn't just scoring, you realise?

Don’t you mean Beal is better at everything besides defense?

Uh, not even remotely? Beal is much much worse defensively. Similar gap to the gap between Kemba and Smart defensively. Holiday has a marginal advantage in rebounding, and since Beal's ascension into a 30+ scorer Holiday has been the better 3 point shooter.