Getting Beal: What's the strategy?

[PhoSita]

Bradley Beal seems like the next big name who is probably going to get traded.

He and Tatum are friends and seem like they would love to be on the same team.

Feels to me like the most obvious move for the Celts to make a jump to being in the contention mix would be to find a way to obtain Beal without giving up Brown or Tatum.  I think doing that would basically require Beal putting the Celts at the top of his list and making that known.

Is it doable? What's the strategy? The Celts don't have much left in enticing trade assets.  I don't think it would be this season, of course.

[LilRip]

Yeah if something big like this were to go down, it seems like it’d have to happen in the off-season. I don’t know the realistic way to get Beal though. Maybe if the C’s miss the playoffs somehow and luck into a top 3 pick?

But anyway, if the C’s had a strategy for unloading Kemba into like... some fringe allstar big man (my mind is coming up blank. Maybe... Jerami Grant? Turner-McDermott? Lol I kid), then I would consider a Brown-for-Beal swap actually.

Other than that... idk. It just likely isn’t in the cards to acquire Beal

[Moranis]

I think the trade to be made is Walker and basically every draft pick unprotected that Boston can trade.  Other parts and pieces can be included.  I think you'd probably try to find a 3rd team to take Walker since he doesn't fit into a rebuilding team (which Washington would be making the trade).

I think something like this may work.

Boston - Beal, Burks, Bullock
New York - Walker, G. Williams
Washington - Ntilikina, Noel, Langord, BOS 1st's (21, 23, 25, 27)

I think something like that makes sense for all 3 teams.

Boston would then be

Starters - Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Theis
Playoff Rotation - Teague, Burks, R. Williams, Thompson
Reg Season Rotation - Pritchard, Bullock, Ojeleye, Nesmith
Suits - Green, Edwards, Waters, Fall

I don't know if that team competes with the Nets, Lakers, etc. this season, but 2 years down the line, I think that would be a championship level team (for at least a few seasons) if Tatum and Brown continue to progress like they should and Beal doesn't fall off a cliff. 

[footey]

I think the trade to be made is Walker and basically every draft pick unprotected that Boston can trade.  Other parts and pieces can be included.  I think you'd probably try to find a 3rd team to take Walker since he doesn't fit into a rebuilding team (which Washington would be making the trade).

I think something like this may work.

Boston - Beal, Burks, Bullock
New York - Walker, G. Williams
Washington - Ntilikina, Noel, Langord, BOS 1st's (21, 23, 25, 27)

I think something like that makes sense for all 3 teams.

Boston would then be

Starters - Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Theis
Playoff Rotation - Teague, Burks, R. Williams, Thompson
Reg Season Rotation - Pritchard, Bullock, Ojeleye, Nesmith
Suits - Green, Edwards, Waters, Fall

I don't know if that team competes with the Nets, Lakers, etc. this season, but 2 years down the line, I think that would be a championship level team (for at least a few seasons) if Tatum and Brown continue to progress like they should and Beal doesn't fall off a cliff.

I think it would take a trade demand for Wiz to trade Beal.

[Moranis]

I think the trade to be made is Walker and basically every draft pick unprotected that Boston can trade.  Other parts and pieces can be included.  I think you'd probably try to find a 3rd team to take Walker since he doesn't fit into a rebuilding team (which Washington would be making the trade).

I think something like this may work.

Boston - Beal, Burks, Bullock
New York - Walker, G. Williams
Washington - Ntilikina, Noel, Langord, BOS 1st's (21, 23, 25, 27)

I think something like that makes sense for all 3 teams.

Boston would then be

Starters - Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Theis
Playoff Rotation - Teague, Burks, R. Williams, Thompson
Reg Season Rotation - Pritchard, Bullock, Ojeleye, Nesmith
Suits - Green, Edwards, Waters, Fall

I don't know if that team competes with the Nets, Lakers, etc. this season, but 2 years down the line, I think that would be a championship level team (for at least a few seasons) if Tatum and Brown continue to progress like they should and Beal doesn't fall off a cliff.

I think it would take a trade demand for Wiz to trade Beal.

Probably this season, but I think they try to move him in the summer regardless.  It doesn't make sense for them to keep Beal as he isn't a franchise player, is already in his prime, and the longer they keep the less the trade package becomes when they do finally move him.

[GreenWarrior]

Only way C's get beal is if brown or tatum are involved.

Obviously the C's want to add to brown and tatum but there is nothing at our disposal to make that happen. No amount of draft picks is making that happen because none of them will be top 5 or even 10 for that matter.

And hate to break it to everyone but NO ONE WANTS KEMBA!

Also there's no one on our bench that anyone wants.

So this comes down to are brown and tatum the guys? If not then which one goes? I can't envision a trade for beal where tatum is the one going out. So if it's brown, a guy that has improved every season are we really considering it worth it?

Beal is a big stage player but the team is essentially in the same spot in not being able to add a 3rd player. Seems like a waste imo.

[Moranis]

Only way C's get beal is if brown or tatum are involved.

Obviously the C's want to add to brown and tatum but there is nothing at our disposal to make that happen. No amount of draft picks is making that happen because none of them will be top 5 or even 10 for that matter.

And hate to break it to everyone but NO ONE WANTS KEMBA!

Also there's no one on our bench that anyone wants.

So this comes down to are brown and tatum the guys? If not then which one goes? I can't envision a trade for beal where tatum is the one going out. So if it's brown, a guy that has improved every season are we really considering it worth it?

Beal is a big stage player but the team is essentially in the same spot in not being able to add a 3rd player. Seems like a waste imo.

That just isn't true.  Milwaukee acquired Jrue Holiday (a similar player) without including any really good players and Brooklyn acquired Harden (a significantly better player) without including any really good players.  Teams entering rebuilding often want a mass of draft picks  and cap relief.  Boston can provide both of those things if they can find a 3rd team to take Walker (the Knicks, Clippers, and a few other teams make sense for him). 

[GreenWarrior]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

[Tr1boy]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

exactly. Not even close

[PhoSita]

Only way C's get beal is if brown or tatum are involved.

Obviously the C's want to add to brown and tatum but there is nothing at our disposal to make that happen. No amount of draft picks is making that happen because none of them will be top 5 or even 10 for that matter.

And hate to break it to everyone but NO ONE WANTS KEMBA!

Also there's no one on our bench that anyone wants.

So this comes down to are brown and tatum the guys? If not then which one goes? I can't envision a trade for beal where tatum is the one going out. So if it's brown, a guy that has improved every season are we really considering it worth it?

Beal is a big stage player but the team is essentially in the same spot in not being able to add a 3rd player. Seems like a waste imo.

Nobody is going to become available who is good enough to consider trading Tatum.

To trade Brown, it would have to be a borderline MVP caliber player with multiple years remaining and no major injury red flags who for some weird reason is available for trade.  I'm not even sure who that would be. 

[Rondo9]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

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[JBcat]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

Regarding Houston situation the closer Beal gets to FA the closer the situation will be for Washington.  His older sidekick Westbrook isn’t getting any younger, and   Washington is going to be hard pressed to get better as is.  The smart play might be to hit the reboot button in the offseason as Beal’s trade value will probably never be any higher than it is this year.  Also Oladipo is on an expiring deal whereas Kemba will have 2 years left, and if Kemba keeps up his recent play his trade value with 2 years left will hold some weight.

Kemba, 1 or 2 of our young players, and several picks might work if Kemba is redirected to a 3rd team.

[Moranis]

Jrue Holiday is not the same as beal. Harden and houston situation is a different situation, harden wanted out and houston wanted to get rid of him and also got oladipo in the deal.

Celtics have nothing close to an oladipo to deal outside of brown or tatum. No one wants kemba, danny tried moving kemba already and everyone got offended for ainge trying to sell them damaged goods - no one wants kemba.

Right Jrue Holiday has a 1st Team All Defense and a 2nd Team All Defense, something Beal has never come close to getting.  Neither one has made an All NBA Team.  They both have all star appearances but aren't regularly on the team.  Beal is a better scorer and slightly better shooter, but Hoilday is a much better passer and a significantly better defensive player.  They are comparable rebounders.  This notion that Beal is not in the same general range as Holiday as a player is a strange one to me.  Beal is a bit better and he is younger, but they aren't much different overall as players.

The trade for Harden did not yield Oladipo.  That was a separate trade using Caris LeVert, cash, and a couple of 2nd rounders.  Caris LeVert is a good player, but one that can't stay healthy.  He wasn't a prime asset at all.  And again, James Harden is a former MVP, MVP candidate, and in his prime.  He is just another class of player.  No where near Beal. 

[footey]

Only way C's get beal is if brown or tatum are involved.

Obviously the C's want to add to brown and tatum but there is nothing at our disposal to make that happen. No amount of draft picks is making that happen because none of them will be top 5 or even 10 for that matter.

And hate to break it to everyone but NO ONE WANTS KEMBA!

Also there's no one on our bench that anyone wants.

So this comes down to are brown and tatum the guys? If not then which one goes? I can't envision a trade for beal where tatum is the one going out. So if it's brown, a guy that has improved every season are we really considering it worth it?

Beal is a big stage player but the team is essentially in the same spot in not being able to add a 3rd player. Seems like a waste imo.

That just isn't true.  Milwaukee acquired Jrue Holiday (a similar player) without including any really good players and Brooklyn acquired Harden (a significantly better player) without including any really good players.  Teams entering rebuilding often want a mass of draft picks  and cap relief.  Boston can provide both of those things if they can find a 3rd team to take Walker (the Knicks, Clippers, and a few other teams make sense for him).

Holiday is 3 years older than Beal, and not nearly the offensive of Beal. Beal is the leading scorer in the NBA.  It would take a substantially bigger package to get him. he is not a "similar player."

[Moranis]

Only way C's get beal is if brown or tatum are involved.

Obviously the C's want to add to brown and tatum but there is nothing at our disposal to make that happen. No amount of draft picks is making that happen because none of them will be top 5 or even 10 for that matter.

And hate to break it to everyone but NO ONE WANTS KEMBA!

Also there's no one on our bench that anyone wants.

So this comes down to are brown and tatum the guys? If not then which one goes? I can't envision a trade for beal where tatum is the one going out. So if it's brown, a guy that has improved every season are we really considering it worth it?

Beal is a big stage player but the team is essentially in the same spot in not being able to add a 3rd player. Seems like a waste imo.

That just isn't true.  Milwaukee acquired Jrue Holiday (a similar player) without including any really good players and Brooklyn acquired Harden (a significantly better player) without including any really good players.  Teams entering rebuilding often want a mass of draft picks  and cap relief.  Boston can provide both of those things if they can find a 3rd team to take Walker (the Knicks, Clippers, and a few other teams make sense for him).

Holiday is 3 years older than Beal, and not nearly the offensive of Beal. Beal is the leading scorer in the NBA.  It would take a substantially bigger package to get him. he is not a "similar player."

Except they are.  They are both in the 15-25 range as players because contrary to what this board believes, you actually play basketball on both ends of the floor and there is more to offense then just scoring.  Holiday is a much better passer.  He is a respectable shooter (in the last 2.5 seasons, Beal is 35% on 7.6 attempts, while Holiday is 34.4% on 5.4 attempts).  Beal is a more efficient scorer (in part because he gets to the line a lot more frequently), but he also shoots a lot more shots which helps a great deal with scoring a lot of points.  Holiday has consistently made his teams better, while Beal quite frankly has not because Beal quite frankly does only 1 thing well, while Holiday does a lot of things well. 

Beal is a bit better and he is younger, so he would take more, but he isn't Harden and Harden was acquired without any prime assets or known draft pick positions as well.