Ideas: Kemba for Barnes

[Jvalin]

Most Barnes ideas assume we'd use the TPE to absorb his salary. How about we include Kemba in the deal? Problem is, the Kings would probably have zero interest in Kemba. We'd have to find a 3rd team.

For the record, the Kings have lost 9 straight games. They have the 5th worst record in the NBA. Chances are they'll be sellers at the deadline.

Personally speaking, I believe Barnes is overpaid. Rule of thumb is that overpaid players on long-term contracts have negative trade value. Don't see why we should surrender multiple picks to aqcuire an overpaid player. Here are a few ideas for a trade around Kemba and Barnes.

Feel free to add pick(s). Can't add pick(s) in the ESPN trade machine.

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Dragic's contract has a team option for next season. It is basically an expiring contract.

[celts55]

Can't help but notice, all three trades add wins to Celtics while adding loses to the other 2 teams.

Can you explain why these other teams make these trades? Are there picks involved?

While I love a good trade idea, I think they need to work for all the teams involved.

[Goldstar88]

None of those trades make sense for any team other than the Celtics. It makes me laugh when people think that the Knicks are going to be interested in kemba considering they just traded for Derek Rose and more importantly their coach is Tom Thibodeau.

[philr13]

If the Celtics do manage to trade Walker the team that makes the most sense to me is Orlando.

He's played for Clifford in Charlotte. Clifford is as familiar with Walker as anybody and will get the most out of him for the remainder of Walker's current contract.

Orlando is a little unsettled at point-guard. They will have Fultz coming back next season, which is good of course, but they could use shooting and scoring from their backcourt.

Not sure who the Celtics would want back from that team. There are a few players they could be interested in.

[apc]

I would love Dragic if it was somehow possible

[Moranis]

The NY trade is the only one that I think all 3 teams might do.  And if Miami would do that I'd rather just have KO and Dragic than Barnes.  I also don't think the Kings want anything to do with Morris, though I do think a 3 team trade is feasible between the Kings, Clips, and C's.

Boston - Barnes, Morris, Beverley, Zubac
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson, Whiteside
Sacramento - L. Williams, Kabengele, Langford/Nesmith, J. Green

I think that trade makes way more sense for all 3 teams. 

Boston would then have a starting 5 of Beverley, Brown, Tatum, Barnes, Theis with a playoff rotation of Smart, Morris, Zubac, R. Williams, Semi and a deep rotation of Pritchard, Teague, G. Williams, Langford/Nesmith with Fall, Waters, and Edwards in suits.  That is a much better team than the current one because it adds a lot of depth and it adds a potential long term center in Zubac and a nice solid 3rd/4th option in Barnes (who is still young enough to be able to contribute in a couple of seasons when Tatum and Brown are in their primes).

[Rikibellevie]

The New York trade or another version of this one, could have been a realistic option. But now Walker is negative value and some red flag must be pulled down before season end. If he shows at least that he find a little regularity in shoot, we may still try to make a 3 teams trade to grab Barnes/Gordon/Vucevic/Collins (...) with still other assets or youth. Or we must trade Smart and/or multiple first to grab one of this player; but Kemba will be with us until the end of the year for the best and the worst.

[Irish Stew]

Moranis:
"The NY trade is the only one that I think all 3 teams might do."

I would agree with you if we include 1, or possibly 2, 1st round picks to the Knicks to compensate for the Kemba albatross contract.

[Vermont Green]

The NY trade is the only one that I think all 3 teams might do.  And if Miami would do that I'd rather just have KO and Dragic than Barnes.  I also don't think the Kings want anything to do with Morris, though I do think a 3 team trade is feasible between the Kings, Clips, and C's.

Boston - Barnes, Morris, Beverley, Zubac
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson, Whiteside
Sacramento - L. Williams, Kabengele, Langford/Nesmith, J. Green

I think that trade makes way more sense for all 3 teams. 

Boston would then have a starting 5 of Beverley, Brown, Tatum, Barnes, Theis with a playoff rotation of Smart, Morris, Zubac, R. Williams, Semi and a deep rotation of Pritchard, Teague, G. Williams, Langford/Nesmith with Fall, Waters, and Edwards in suits.  That is a much better team than the current one because it adds a lot of depth and it adds a potential long term center in Zubac and a nice solid 3rd/4th option in Barnes (who is still young enough to be able to contribute in a couple of seasons when Tatum and Brown are in their primes).

A Walker trade with the Clipps was explored in another thread.  I am in the minority and am not all that hot on Barnes, at least not for what I think it would take to get him and then what it would take to pay him.  I think there are decent depth pieces to be had from Clipps though and I do think they would have some interest in Kemba:

Morris, Beverley, Zubac, Patterson
for
Kemba, Edwards, Ojeleye

[nickagneta]

I don't know. I tend to think the K.I.S.S. principle is best when discussing trades.

Barnes for Thompson and picks by using the TPE. I think the starting frontcourt of Theis at center and Barnes at PF is infinitely better than a starting frontcourt of Thompson at center and Theis as PF.

And, Smart gets moved to his more natural 6th man role. I think a starting unit of Walker, Brown, Tatum, Barnes and Theis would be a 5 man unit that would have a large net positive rating. It also opens up more minutes for Timelord, which is needed.

[gouki88]

The NY trade is the only one that I think all 3 teams might do.  And if Miami would do that I'd rather just have KO and Dragic than Barnes.  I also don't think the Kings want anything to do with Morris, though I do think a 3 team trade is feasible between the Kings, Clips, and C's.

Boston - Barnes, Morris, Beverley, Zubac
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson, Whiteside
Sacramento - L. Williams, Kabengele, Langford/Nesmith, J. Green

I think that trade makes way more sense for all 3 teams. 

Boston would then have a starting 5 of Beverley, Brown, Tatum, Barnes, Theis with a playoff rotation of Smart, Morris, Zubac, R. Williams, Semi and a deep rotation of Pritchard, Teague, G. Williams, Langford/Nesmith with Fall, Waters, and Edwards in suits.  That is a much better team than the current one because it adds a lot of depth and it adds a potential long term center in Zubac and a nice solid 3rd/4th option in Barnes (who is still young enough to be able to contribute in a couple of seasons when Tatum and Brown are in their primes).

That's an insane amount of money locked up in 4 wings. Never want Morris or Beverley here

[Moranis]

The NY trade is the only one that I think all 3 teams might do.  And if Miami would do that I'd rather just have KO and Dragic than Barnes.  I also don't think the Kings want anything to do with Morris, though I do think a 3 team trade is feasible between the Kings, Clips, and C's.

Boston - Barnes, Morris, Beverley, Zubac
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson, Whiteside
Sacramento - L. Williams, Kabengele, Langford/Nesmith, J. Green

I think that trade makes way more sense for all 3 teams. 

Boston would then have a starting 5 of Beverley, Brown, Tatum, Barnes, Theis with a playoff rotation of Smart, Morris, Zubac, R. Williams, Semi and a deep rotation of Pritchard, Teague, G. Williams, Langford/Nesmith with Fall, Waters, and Edwards in suits.  That is a much better team than the current one because it adds a lot of depth and it adds a potential long term center in Zubac and a nice solid 3rd/4th option in Barnes (who is still young enough to be able to contribute in a couple of seasons when Tatum and Brown are in their primes).

That's an insane amount of money locked up in 4 wings. Never want Morris or Beverley here

It is a fair amount of money in wings, but you get a center in Zubac pretty cheaply and Beverley only has one more year before you hopefully can look to Pritchard in his 3rd year (or some other player). 

I didn't mind Morris when he was here.  He had some frustrating games, but I generally liked his go for it always on type attitude.  I think the team could use that (it didn't work as well with all the other personalities last time, but that is much less an issue now). 

[BitterJim]

Just to be clear, any trade involving Kemba going out could (and should) include using the TPE to absorb salary as well. If you make a trade where you absorb a salary like Barnes' into the TPE and send out Kemba, you would create a larger TPE (potentially as big as Kemba's salary) AND have a year to use it (as opposed to the Hayward one that will expire before next season starts)

That said, I wouldn't give up first rounders to get out from Kemba's salary unless I had another big move lined up. If you are competing, you're better off seeing if Kemba can round back into form (unless you have to trade him to get someone better), and if you aren't contending then there's no reason to shed a big salary for someone that isn't a locker room problem or blocking an up-and-coming young player (and Kemba is not blocking Pritchard or anything like that)

[Bobshot]

Looks to me Kemba has zero trade value right now with that well-publicized knee and a big contract.

[boscel33]

I think he still has value.  Two years left on a deal that if someone is looking for a vet PG, might take on.  The Knicks for example, home town team that could be ready to burst onto the scene.