Some NBA Players Hesitant To Get/Promote Vaccine

[CelticsElite]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30918396/sources-many-nba-players-hesitant-promote-coronavirus-vaccines


They think the Tuskegee experiments are still happening or something. Sad that people believe  conspiracy theories like This. Believing  such a theory is a slap in the face to the scientific communities that helped develop these vaccines


This is pure speculation: Im also assuming kyrie is playing a big role being the VP OF THE players union, he's probably spreading misinformation behind the scenes to the league players. This has his name written all over it imo

[NKY fan]

Do all players believe that? Are there any names referenced?
I guess players drew the line at voting for Biden lol 😂

[nickagneta]

I read the article and I in no way understood it to be that the players didn't want to promote it due to conspiracy theories.

The Tuskegee experiments weren't even mentioned.

Players asked questions about how it would affect their performance and concerns about not knowing the long term effects from taking the virus. Players also weren't completely cool with doing PSA's with the NBA on vaccinations due to the NBA doing the players no favors by having the All-Star game.

I'm just not getting what you are selling regarding that article.

[PhoSita]

I don't do this lightly, because mostly I find him annoying / smug, but I'm going to quote LarBrd33's take on this on Twitter:

“Hi, I’m Jayson Tatum. Due to NBA’s failed covid protocols, I may now have scarred lungs similar to a life-long smoker. Nobody is sure if this will last months/years.  Alls I know is, my wind and shot have been [bad] since I returned.  Anyways, the rona is real.  Get that vaccine!”

[NKY fan]

I don't do this lightly, because mostly I find him annoying / smug, but I'm going to quote LarBrd33's take on this on Twitter:

“Hi, I’m Jayson Tatum. Due to NBA’s failed covid protocols, I may now have scarred lungs similar to a life-long smoker. Nobody is sure if this will last months/years.  Alls I know is, my wind and shot have been [bad] since I returned.  Anyways, the rona is real.  Get that vaccine!”

This is something that I don't quite get yet but - from what has been circulating online You can get long Covid even if you have a mild case of the disease.
If the vaccine is helping you avoid getting seriously sick ... can it guarantee you will not get the long covid ? or scarring in your heart muscles / lungs etc...

[PhoSita]

I don't really know, but I always thought if a vaccine is working for you at all it's giving you antibodies that prevent you from getting sick, period.  A vaccine may not be 100% effective overall but if it's effective for a specific person, then that person isn't getting sick with the disease for which they've been vaccinated.

Maybe that's incorrect. 


I do know that after you get the vaccine it takes a couple weeks to become effective, so you could still get COVID in the interim.  But I think once it's working (if it's working), you're immune.

[Roy H.]

To anti-vaxxers in general:

[Roy H.]

I don't really know, but I always thought if a vaccine is working for you at all it's giving you antibodies that prevent you from getting sick, period.  A vaccine may not be 100% effective overall but if it's effective for a specific person, then that person isn't getting sick with the disease for which they've been vaccinated.

Maybe that's incorrect. 


I do know that after you get the vaccine it takes a couple weeks to become effective, so you could still get COVID in the interim.  But I think once it's working (if it's working), you're immune.

Not true in this case.  Even though it’s being described as “full immunity”, people can still catch the virus, and can potentially even pass it on.  The vaccine isn’t about complete immunity, it’s about better outcomes / milder symptoms.

That said, at least in the short term the large majority of people seem to have immunity (of a length we don’t know) about 14 days after the second dose.

[nickagneta]

To anti-vaxxers in general:

Nail meet Hammer. Hammer..Nail

[Donoghus]

Seems like several things going on here.

Sources describe a number of factors contributing to many players' reluctance to participate, including uncertainty about taking the vaccine themselves, reluctance to advocate its use for others and resistance to extending favors to a league amid the largely unpopular plans for an All-Star Game.[quote/]

[gouki88]

Your thread title is a complete and utter misrepresentation of the actual article

[RJ87]

I read the article and I in no way understood it to be that the players didn't want to promote it due to conspiracy theories.

The Tuskegee experiments weren't even mentioned.

Players asked questions about how it would affect their performance and concerns about not knowing the long term effects from taking the virus. Players also weren't completely cool with doing PSA's with the NBA on vaccinations due to the NBA doing the players no favors by having the All-Star game.

I'm just not getting what you are selling regarding that article.

TP.

Its reductive to assume that the hesitance over the vaccine is simply because of race and mistrust.

I'm black and my concerns about the longterm effects of the vaccine isn't "bEcAuSe Tuskegee". I have an autoimmune disorder that requires immune suppressing drugs - which have their own laundry list of long term side effects. My specialist can't advise me on the long term outlook of the vaccine in relation to the medications I take because there's little to no data on it. That's the downside of having a vaccine or medication rushed through the usual process, a lack of information.

[PhoSita]

I don't really know, but I always thought if a vaccine is working for you at all it's giving you antibodies that prevent you from getting sick, period.  A vaccine may not be 100% effective overall but if it's effective for a specific person, then that person isn't getting sick with the disease for which they've been vaccinated.

Maybe that's incorrect. 


I do know that after you get the vaccine it takes a couple weeks to become effective, so you could still get COVID in the interim.  But I think once it's working (if it's working), you're immune.

Not true in this case.  Even though it’s being described as “full immunity”, people can still catch the virus, and can potentially even pass it on.  The vaccine isn’t about complete immunity, it’s about better outcomes / milder symptoms.

That said, at least in the short term the large majority of people seem to have immunity (of a length we don’t know) about 14 days after the second dose.

One thing that's terribly clear is you're much better off getting the vaccine than getting COVID or passing COVID along to vulnerable people.

Hope the rollout continues to ramp up and people can get vaccinated ASAP.


It's crazy how slow it's getting done out here in CA.  We should be passing out every dose we've got on the street corner, if enough people show up to use them all.  Hand it out like candy.  Just get as many people vaccinated as possible.

[Neurotic Guy]

Your thread title is a complete and utter representation of the actual article

Hey Gouk -- you meant misrepresentation and you are absolutely correct. 

First off, African American mistrust isn't based in conspiracies, but based in real experiences like "Tuskagee" and generally a different experience with healthcare in America than other racial and ethnic groups.  Of course I am generalizing -- many (especially poor) have had unfavorable healthcare experiences regardless of race. And I am certain that many African Americans are comfortable taking the vaccine and have had favorable healthcare experiences. What was referenced in the article were misconceptions and concerns rather than conspiracies that can be addressed through education.

For selfish reasons I really hope that those who are reluctant to vaccinate come to believe it to be safe and the right thing to do.  But I can't deny that others arrive at their perspectives for reasons real and genuine to them and need to be first heard and then hopefully provided information that may alter viewpoints.   

My "plan B" hope is that anyone who elects not to vaccinate would be obsessively invested in mask-wearing, distancing, hand-washing. 

[gouki88]

Your thread title is a complete and utter representation of the actual article

Hey Gouk -- you meant misrepresentation and you are absolutely correct. 

First off, African American mistrust isn't based in conspiracies, but based in real experiences like "Tuskagee" and generally a different experience with healthcare in America than other racial and ethnic groups.  Of course I am generalizing -- many (especially poor) have had unfavorable healthcare experiences regardless of race. And I am certain that many African Americans are comfortable taking the vaccine and have had favorable healthcare experiences. What was referenced in the article were misconceptions and concerns rather than conspiracies that can be addressed through education.

For selfish reasons I really hope that those who are reluctant to vaccinate come to believe it to be safe and the right thing to do.  But I can't deny that others arrive at their perspectives for reasons real and genuine to them and need to be first heard and then hopefully provided information that may alter viewpoints.   

My "plan B" hope is that anyone who elects not to vaccinate would be obsessively invested in mask-wearing, distancing, hand-washing.

That’ll show me for posting in a hurry!

TP, agree entirely with the rest of your post