Keeping Bane would've solved some troubles.

[Tr1boy]

Think we need better scouts

Probably, but he fell to 30th, so plenty of other scouts missed, too.

He was a senior and lacked some advance things teams are looking for these days (like wingspan length)

For a player with these perceived weaknesses he was picked at the right range  (25th and lower)

I think if Danny would have kept the pick, would have picked Bane  (or Tillman).  But probably lean more towards Bane due to 3 pt shooting

What I don’t understand is keeping all of these “project players.” Taco, Waters, Edwards, Greene, and to some extent Grant Williams and Timelord who are both unproven. Other than Rob and G Williams these are just wasted roster spots. Bane is starting in Memphis right now, shooting 50% from 3pt and the C’s just gave him away.

Waters, Edwards over Bane does not make much sense, you are right

But Waters is a cheap two way contract player.  Edwards ... who knows if Danny tried to trade him for anything decent.  But had zero takers

Kemba was also out due to injury and Celts needed more depth from the guard position just in case

The reality is, the rookie play of Nesmith.  It would be nice if he played better.  If he did, missing out on Bane would be a non story (almost forgot, also Langford should be back).  Potential log jam down the middle.  In hindsight, Bane would have been a very good pick

[NKY fan]

Think we need better scouts

Probably, but he fell to 30th, so plenty of other scouts missed, too.

He was a senior and lacked some advance things teams are looking for these days (like wingspan length)

For a player with these perceived weaknesses he was picked at the right range  (25th and lower)

I think if Danny would have kept the pick, would have picked Bane  (or Tillman).  But probably lean more towards Bane due to 3 pt shooting

What I don’t understand is keeping all of these “project players.” Taco, Waters, Edwards, Greene, and to some extent Grant Williams and Timelord who are both unproven. Other than Rob and G Williams these are just wasted roster spots. Bane is starting in Memphis right now, shooting 50% from 3pt and the C’s just gave him away.

Well the silver lining is that by surrounding the Js with these “wasted roster spots players” Danny is pushing their limits. This way he can see how much better Jaylen and Jayson can be and whether they are ready to contend. I think they were ready last year but Hayward’s ankle skewed things up. This year if Brown stays healthy they might contend for ECF no matter how bad players 5 through 17 on the roster are.

[Roy H.]

Would Stevens even play Bane?

He won't play Nesmith. Is Bane any better on defense than Nesmith is? Is Bane's offensive game more well rounded than Nesmith's? Does Bane rebound as well as Nesmith?

Is more consistent shooting enough to believe Bane would get regular minutes here than Nesmith does?  And would Bane be as consistent a shooter if he had less consistent minutes / role? Shooters almost always shoot better when they play more minutes & have regular minutes.

Yes.  And leaned on him from the bench

Bane has Crowder type qualities.  He knows where to be on the court.  What to do.   Makes the right play most of the time.  Make the extra passes.  Hit the open 3s.  Ability to guard 3 or 4 positions

And he is strong and not 1st year rookie like

Ability to guard 3 or 4 positions

I am a bit puzzled here.  He’s got a 6’4” wingspan and lacks lateral quickness.  Which 4 positions do you see him guarding?

This is from 2 days ago:

“I thought Desmond was okay,” Coach Jenkins said. “I thought offensively he gave us a boost. Defensively, I felt like he could’ve been a little more engaged.” Bane pointed to his carefulness with the ball and his defense as areas of improvement as well.

[Tr1boy]

Would Stevens even play Bane?

He won't play Nesmith. Is Bane any better on defense than Nesmith is? Is Bane's offensive game more well rounded than Nesmith's? Does Bane rebound as well as Nesmith?

Is more consistent shooting enough to believe Bane would get regular minutes here than Nesmith does?  And would Bane be as consistent a shooter if he had less consistent minutes / role? Shooters almost always shoot better when they play more minutes & have regular minutes.

Yes.  And leaned on him from the bench

Bane has Crowder type qualities.  He knows where to be on the court.  What to do.   Makes the right play most of the time.  Make the extra passes.  Hit the open 3s.  Ability to guard 3 or 4 positions

And he is strong and not 1st year rookie like

Ability to guard 3 or 4 positions

I am a bit puzzled here.  He’s got a 6’4” wingspan and lacks lateral quickness.  Which 4 positions do you see him guarding?

1-4 and I have seen him do it

On a semi zone system he can do it.  For 1 on 1 D system,  he could probably mainly guard 2 positions

In general the NBA is heading towards a hybrid team D system.   

[Tr1boy]

Would Stevens even play Bane?

He won't play Nesmith. Is Bane any better on defense than Nesmith is? Is Bane's offensive game more well rounded than Nesmith's? Does Bane rebound as well as Nesmith?

Is more consistent shooting enough to believe Bane would get regular minutes here than Nesmith does?  And would Bane be as consistent a shooter if he had less consistent minutes / role? Shooters almost always shoot better when they play more minutes & have regular minutes.

Yes.  And leaned on him from the bench

Bane has Crowder type qualities.  He knows where to be on the court.  What to do.   Makes the right play most of the time.  Make the extra passes.  Hit the open 3s.  Ability to guard 3 or 4 positions

And he is strong and not 1st year rookie like

Ability to guard 3 or 4 positions

I am a bit puzzled here.  He’s got a 6’4” wingspan and lacks lateral quickness.  Which 4 positions do you see him guarding?

This is from 2 days ago:

“I thought Desmond was okay,” Coach Jenkins said. “I thought offensively he gave us a boost. Defensively, I felt like he could’ve been a little more engaged.” Bane pointed to his carefulness with the ball and his defense as areas of improvement as well.

Jae Crowder is what, 6'5 ? If someone told me he was 6'4 I could buy that.  He has wingspan adv over Bane, but what else is really different (style)?

Not the quickest players.  Not the most explosive.  But good bbiq, versatility and strength.  Ability to guard multiple positions. Do a little bit of everything on the offensive end

[NKY fan]

I wanted Bane, but others do bring up a good point. If he were here, would he really be getting these opportunities to begin with? I'm not as sure. I mean even Timelord it seems they don't utilize him as much as they should both to help the team and for his development. And he was drafted around the same range as Bane while having a higher ceiling.

I know people may use Pritchard as an example, but if Kemba were healthy would Pritchard be getting a lot of the minutes he did in the first 15-20 games?

Stevens is absolutely squeezing everything positive out of Timelord. He plays him the right minutes and matchups so he is has a tiny bit positive impact on winning. Play him more and Timelord might turn into Javale McGee. I can’t understand how can he look like Gobert one moment on the court just to follow it up with Shaqtin highlight plays 10 seconds later.

[Roy H.]

Would Stevens even play Bane?

He won't play Nesmith. Is Bane any better on defense than Nesmith is? Is Bane's offensive game more well rounded than Nesmith's? Does Bane rebound as well as Nesmith?

Is more consistent shooting enough to believe Bane would get regular minutes here than Nesmith does?  And would Bane be as consistent a shooter if he had less consistent minutes / role? Shooters almost always shoot better when they play more minutes & have regular minutes.

Yes.  And leaned on him from the bench

Bane has Crowder type qualities.  He knows where to be on the court.  What to do.   Makes the right play most of the time.  Make the extra passes.  Hit the open 3s.  Ability to guard 3 or 4 positions

And he is strong and not 1st year rookie like

Ability to guard 3 or 4 positions

I am a bit puzzled here.  He’s got a 6’4” wingspan and lacks lateral quickness.  Which 4 positions do you see him guarding?

1-4 and I have seen him do it

On a semi zone system he can do it.  For 1 on 1 D system,  he could probably mainly guard 2 positions

In general the NBA is heading towards a hybrid team D system.

His coach thinks Bane is unengaged on defense.  Bane himself noted he needs to improve.  So, the efforts not there and the tools aren’t there.

I mean, it’s kind of like arguing that Kemba can defend for positions, because he occasionally ends up on power forwards out of a switch.  We’ve all seen him defend the position before. However, those positions do not generally end well for us.

[hwangjini_1]

Would Stevens even play Bane?

He won't play Nesmith. Is Bane any better on defense than Nesmith is? Is Bane's offensive game more well rounded than Nesmith's? Does Bane rebound as well as Nesmith?

Is more consistent shooting enough to believe Bane would get regular minutes here than Nesmith does?  And would Bane be as consistent a shooter if he had less consistent minutes / role? Shooters almost always shoot better when they play more minutes & have regular minutes.

i am not sure i follow your reasoning here. how, in your argument, do you account for CBS letting pritchard play as much as he has?

[Goldstar88]

Think we need better scouts

Probably, but he fell to 30th, so plenty of other scouts missed, too.

He was a senior and lacked some advance things teams are looking for these days (like wingspan length)

For a player with these perceived weaknesses he was picked at the right range  (25th and lower)

I think if Danny would have kept the pick, would have picked Bane  (or Tillman).  But probably lean more towards Bane due to 3 pt shooting

What I don’t understand is keeping all of these “project players.” Taco, Waters, Edwards, Greene, and to some extent Grant Williams and Timelord who are both unproven. Other than Rob and G Williams these are just wasted roster spots. Bane is starting in Memphis right now, shooting 50% from 3pt and the C’s just gave him away.

Well the silver lining is that by surrounding the Js with these “wasted roster spots players” Danny is pushing their limits. This way he can see how much better Jaylen and Jayson can be and whether they are ready to contend. I think they were ready last year but Hayward’s ankle skewed things up. This year if Brown stays healthy they might contend for ECF no matter how bad players 5 through 17 on the roster are.

And now Jaylen has tendinitis in his knees and needs to rest. Nice work, Danny! Lol

[Who]

Would Stevens even play Bane?

He won't play Nesmith. Is Bane any better on defense than Nesmith is? Is Bane's offensive game more well rounded than Nesmith's? Does Bane rebound as well as Nesmith?

Is more consistent shooting enough to believe Bane would get regular minutes here than Nesmith does?  And would Bane be as consistent a shooter if he had less consistent minutes / role? Shooters almost always shoot better when they play more minutes & have regular minutes.

i am not sure i follow your reasoning here. how, in your argument, do you account for CBS letting pritchard play as much as he has?

Pritchard is a much more well rounded player.

Bane is a one dimensional spot up shooter who does little else on offense to help his team and is a negative defender & rebounder.

Pritchard is a spot up shooter, an off the dribble shooter, can run PnRs, a dribble drive threat, can initiate and run an offense and is a below average playmaker. He is also a middle of the pack defender & rebounder for his position. That makes Pritchard is a vastly superior all-round player than Bane is.


Where I go back to with Nesmith vs Bane is that they are quite similar with the exception of shooting accuracy in spot-up shot attempts. So would many of the same reasons CBS uses for not playing Nesmith also harm Bane playing time? Or would Bane's superior spot up shooting be enough to get him the regular minutes that Nesmith hasn't gotten? I'm not sure either way.

[liam]

Bane is shooting 48% from 3, that's elite. If you can bring a guy shooting 48% off your bench it's excellent. Bane is very similar to Duncan Robinson in effect.