Trading for KAT

[the_gunner]

Hi all

I have read that Timberwolves might be shopping KAT in the near future.

If they do so(by the end of the month) I have a trade suggestion.

To celtics: Rubio and KAT

To Timberwolves: Kemba, Thompson and Teague
1st round picks: 2021+2023
2nd round picks: 2x2021+2x2022

I know that giving up 6 picks for Rubio and KAT is a lot, but I think the price is fair.

And by the way I love Kemba, but I think we need to give up assets to get assets and we need a Big man more than a guard.

[NKY fan]

Sub Teague for Carsen and we might have a deal lol 😂

[NKY fan]

While I’m not high on KAT the overwhelming consensus on him is that he has very high value and trading for him would require a monumental pile of assets.
The two late first rounders we are sending may not be enough to shed Kemba and Tristan bad deals... let alone cover for KATs value

[Birdman]

Love to have KAT on this team.. Tatum, Brown and KAT would be nasty!!!

[the_gunner]

My love for Kemba might lead to me valuing him to high. I consider him as a little bit under a neutral contract due to his problems with injuries.

Thompson is a good player, but I believe he is a bad fit for our team.

Teagues contract is really good, but we have really great guards and he won't get enough playing time.

Rubio wants out and KAT might be wanted the same in the near future. Both of them are great players and I think they will be great fits (especially KAT), as they have got some of the assets that er need next to the Jays.

If they prefer Theis over Thompson then it's fine with me. If they need both to make the deal happen then it is also fine with me.

I would love to have a team with a starting lineup of:
Rubio
Smart
Brown
Tatum
KAT

and coming of the bench
Robert Williams
PP
Langford
Nesmidt
G Williams
Semi

I believe that roster combined with some "developing roleplayers" will be good enough to win a championship and build a dynasty.

[seancally]

Where are you seeing that Minnesota is gonna shop KAT? Not sure why they’d do that. He’s their one locked up centerpiece. He may want out but I don’t see them trading him now when they can keep trying to put a team together around him.

That said... any trade for KAT will need to involve Smart, prob Langford or Nesmith, Theis, a bunch of picks, etc... ie, real value in return not just our flotsam jetsam. Kemba may not be on the table because they won’t need an older PG on a big contract. They’ll ask for Brown and we’ll say no.

EDIT: not to mention, if KAT is on the block, every team in the league will be calling about him. Is smart/couple unproven young guys/couple late picks the best they can find? Doubt it.

[tazzmaniac]

Keep dreaming.  Our 1st round picks aren't worth much and Kemba doesn't have much value to a bad TWolves team.  If KAT were to go on the market, OKC would blow away any offer we made that didn't include Tatum or Brown.   

[the_gunner]

I found the article about KAT, that might be leaving Timberwolves in the near future.

https://www.inquisitr.com/6474795/karl-anthony-towns-celtics-superteam/

Under normal circumstances I would agree that it's an impossible trade, but not the way the current situation is in Minnesota - it really isn't that simple.

@tazzmaniac what do you think OKC would offer?

[RJ87]

Keep dreaming.  Our 1st round picks aren't worth much and Kemba doesn't have much value to a bad TWolves team.  If KAT were to go on the market, OKC would blow away any offer we made that didn't include Tatum or Brown.   

Exactly. If we're not giving up a good young player, we at least have to give up a ton of 1st round picks and swaps ala the Nets for Harden.

[PAOBoston]

We plan on giving up Brown for him? Otherwise, there is no chance a deal gets done. Minny would need totally nuts to trade him for peanuts. Also, the optics of the Cs fleecing Minny for their star big a second time would be awful lol.

[seancally]

So that article suggests a package of Kemba Walker, Marcus Smart, Semi Ojeleye, Daniel Theis, Robert Williams, Payton Pritchard, a 2021 first-round pick, and a 2022 second-round pick. (Caveat - this article is just... complete speculation. But still fun!)

Just don’t know if that gets it done, unless they covet Smart. Hey, he’s a great culture-builder, he’s a winner, he might change the locker room. But then again they don’t lack for young talent, maybe they just need a young winner like Smart to be a good leader.

[Vermont Green]

Think back to the trade chatter around Anthony Davis and how that ultimately went down.  To even get to the table and have a chance to be in the discussion, Tatum or Brown was the ante.  Towns is not quite the value of Davis but really close.  He is a career 40% 3P% among other eye popping stats.

Now you can say stats are just stats (which I generally agree with), and you can try to say his defense is not that good and so on but this is an elite talent that has shown it, it is not just potential.

I think the deal starts more in the range of Brown, Pritchard, and a picks.  And even at that, we probably need to go out and get some better picks to then move to MIN.   Giving 4 second round picks is not value.  Maybe the Celtics consider this in the off season but if you do that at the deadline, you are essentially giving up on this season.  Teams like the NYK, or OKC would be willing to do that but I don't see the Celtics doing it.

[keevsnick]

The price would START at more like:

To Boston: KAT
To Third Team: Kemba
To Wolves: 1st from Third Team, BOS 1st in 21/23/25, BOS Swaps in 22/24, Langford, Nesmith, R Williams

Kemba is going out mostly for salary reasons. The TPE isn't big enough to use on KAT so the easiest way to match his salary is to send out Kemba. Four firsts and two swaps is the Harden package, although those picks aren't as high upside as the BRK picks and I'm not sure how to evaluate expiring Oladipo vs two questionable young guys in Nesmith/Langford. KAT ins't as good as Harden, but he's way younger and under longer term control so he should cost more so this package may be light. 

Also they aren't trading KAT anytime soon.

[Sophomore]

The price would START at more like:

To Boston: KAT
To Third Team: Kemba
To Wolves: 1st from Third Team, BOS 1st in 21/23/25, BOS Swaps in 22/24, Langford, Nesmith, R Williams

Kemba is going out mostly for salary reasons. The TPE isn't big enough to use on KAT so the easiest way to match his salary is to send out Kemba. Four firsts and two swaps is the Harden package, although those picks aren't as high upside as the BRK picks and I'm not sure how to evaluate expiring Oladipo vs two questionable young guys in Nesmith/Langford. KAT ins't as good as Harden, but he's way younger and under longer term control so he should cost more so this package may be light. 

Also they aren't trading KAT anytime soon.

Yeah. The proposed trade in that inquisitr article was probably ghost-written by someone in the Cs front office. I mean, no way.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Could see this working:

Have to move Kemba for Horford so that OKC includes a late ‘21 1st (or early ‘21 2nd) for taking on Horford’s contract (and they bet on flipping Kemba for a first during the off-season—e.g., Utah might be game). We turn around and include that pick in a mega package for KAT:

To BOS: KAT, Horford
To OKC: Kemba
To MN:

R. Williams
Langford
Nesmith
‘21 BOS 1st
‘21 GSW 1st (pick 21-30 or conveys as MN ‘21 2nd via GSW)
‘22 BOS 1st swap
‘23 BOS 1st
‘24 BOS 1st swap
‘25 BOS 1st

https://tradenba.com/trades/OF2YQrh6U

The swaps are probably irrelevant because with KAT, Tatum, Brown, Smart and Pritchard, we’re going to be title contenders for years. Yeah, we lose some youth, but Nesmith and Langford have not shown much and R. Williams is obviously redundant if we get KAT. With a Big 3, we’re talking picks in the 20s in 2021, 2023 and 2025 (and those rarely turn into Pritchards, and never turn into KATs).

Lineup this year for a title run against the Lakers:

Smart/Pritchard/Edwards
Brown/Teague/Green
Tatum/Ojeyele
KAT/Theis/G. Williams
TT/Horford

Next off-season we extend Smart and go into the draft/free agency with:

Pritchard/Edwards
Smart
Brown
Tatum/Horford/G. Williams
KAT/TT

Flip G. Williams and a second round pick for a late first in an attempt for youth in the backcourt? Ring-chasing vets available? Re-sign Theis and flip TT for a pick?