Its time for Danny to be agressive at the trade deadline

[footey]

Orlando has now lost 12 of their last 16 games and have a lot of salary committed next season.  Not having to take back salary in a trade because of the Celtics’ TPE would be valuable to them.  I’d be looking to poach one of their players.  Gordon is the guy I’d like to see as we need some size. Vucevic and Fournier are interesting as well.

Fournier or bust lol.
Anyway he probably won’t be a difference maker

We don’t have the assets to get a star.  We need better supporting players.

You need assets to trade for role players. They are not free. Whatever you can get for free won’t be good.
Danny offered a first rounder for Bertrans last deadline a year ago and he was shot down. This year we only have one first and the way things are going it’s quite possible our pick is in the upper mid teens. I don’t think Danny is trading that away

So a late first rounder has no value in a trade, but a first rounder in the upper teens is too valuable to trade away?

A first rounder or two plus one of our young players: the two Williams, Romeo, or Nesmith should be able to net a solid supporting player.

What “supporting player” do you have in mind for that package??

[liam]

Can Danny get Ball and Reddick for a couple of 1sts, Edwards and the trade exception?

[knuckleballer]

Orlando has now lost 12 of their last 16 games and have a lot of salary committed next season.  Not having to take back salary in a trade because of the Celtics’ TPE would be valuable to them.  I’d be looking to poach one of their players.  Gordon is the guy I’d like to see as we need some size. Vucevic and Fournier are interesting as well.

Fournier or bust lol.
Anyway he probably won’t be a difference maker

We don’t have the assets to get a star.  We need better supporting players.

You need assets to trade for role players. They are not free. Whatever you can get for free won’t be good.
Danny offered a first rounder for Bertrans last deadline a year ago and he was shot down. This year we only have one first and the way things are going it’s quite possible our pick is in the upper mid teens. I don’t think Danny is trading that away

So a late first rounder has no value in a trade, but a first rounder in the upper teens is too valuable to trade away?

A first rounder or two plus one of our young players: the two Williams, Romeo, or Nesmith should be able to net a solid supporting player.

What “supporting player” do you have in mind for that package??

Gordon is the guy I had in mind.  I’ve seen a few articles suggesting he may be traded this year and was looking at a Magic blog awhile back where a lot of their fans were saying the same thing.  We need more size and the Thompson/Theis duo hasn’t worked.

Here’s an article talking about the possibility of Orlando trading him.  It mentions how he’s been playing more of a Draymond Green type of role lately and been doing well.  That’s exactly what I think the Celtics need.  https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharycohen/2021/01/27/its-time-for-somebody-to-trade-for-orlando-magic-forward-aaron-gordon/?sh=18d12c0872ab

[moiso]

Unless some stud suddenly becomes available before the trade deadline, I expect us not to use the TPE, if at all, until the off-season, when there is likely to be  a more robust market.  I don't think Danny feels any pressure to  get someone just because the fan base is complaining.  Trading for PJ Tucker, for example, would be a total waste IMO.

Huh?

How does getting an elite versatile defender at the power forward spot who is a great 3 point shooter a waste? We don't have a single natural power forward on the roster. We wouldn't use up the TPE, spend much or screw up anyone's minutes except Thompson's, who has been pretty awful.

Seems like a perfect move to me.

I think Tucker would be a very nice acquisition.  I'd rather get him than Redick.  The Rockets don't seem to be tanking but I know Tucker is unhappy with the direction of the organization and the fact that he hasn't been offered a contract extension.  He doesn't feel wanted in Houston.  I'd love him in Boston and I think he would fill more than one need like Redick would do.  I'd love to go into a playoff battle with Tucker on our side.

[PhoSita]

Is this roster one TPE move away from contention?

Tatum and Brown are All-NBA.  Feels like the rest of the team is a mix of not-quite-the-right-fit and not-quite-ready-yet.  Plus the injury luck has been a nightmare so far.


I'd like to see Danny do something with the TPE if it nets a guy who can help now and for the next year or two.  But going all-in on this season doesn't make sense.

[RodyTur10]

Is this roster one TPE move away from contention?

Tatum and Brown are All-NBA.  Feels like the rest of the team is a mix of not-quite-the-right-fit and not-quite-ready-yet.  Plus the injury luck has been a nightmare so far.

I'd like to see Danny do something with the TPE if it nets a guy who can help now and for the next year or two.  But going all-in on this season doesn't make sense.

I agree with your assessment. We need a guy that can help multiple years as it seems unlikely we can win it this year.
However I would be intensively looking for that (overpaid) role player who's not really needed anymore on a team that's looking to tank, collect assets or save money.

When we wait until the off-season you'll have a whole bunch of teams with new (false) hopes, who'd rather see how their team looks before making moves that could 'hurt' their quality on the court (and then the TPE will have expired). Also next year's free agent class would be out (as a sign-and-trade is basically financially impossible for the Celtics), so the pond of possible targets will get smaller. Fournier is an example, a player who we'd probably be able to resign.

[Irish Stew]

Right now, only a major move for someone like Barnes or Collins really interests me. Don't know if we have the assets, excluding the Jays, to make such a move. Kemba has no trade value right now.

I guess that I just don't understand this site's obsession with Gordon.

[ManUp]

Orlando has now lost 12 of their last 16 games and have a lot of salary committed next season.  Not having to take back salary in a trade because of the Celtics’ TPE would be valuable to them.  I’d be looking to poach one of their players.  Gordon is the guy I’d like to see as we need some size. Vucevic and Fournier are interesting as well.

Fournier or bust lol.
Anyway he probably won’t be a difference maker

We don’t have the assets to get a star.  We need better supporting players.

You need assets to trade for role players. They are not free. Whatever you can get for free won’t be good.
Danny offered a first rounder for Bertrans last deadline a year ago and he was shot down. This year we only have one first and the way things are going it’s quite possible our pick is in the upper mid teens. I don’t think Danny is trading that away

So a late first rounder has no value in a trade, but a first rounder in the upper teens is too valuable to trade away?

A first rounder or two plus one of our young players: the two Williams, Romeo, or Nesmith should be able to net a solid supporting player.

What “supporting player” do you have in mind for that package??

Gordon is the guy I had in mind.  I’ve seen a few articles suggesting he may be traded this year and was looking at a Magic blog awhile back where a lot of their fans were saying the same thing.  We need more size and the Thompson/Theis duo hasn’t worked.

Here’s an article talking about the possibility of Orlando trading him.  It mentions how he’s been playing more of a Draymond Green type of role lately and been doing well.  That’s exactly what I think the Celtics need.  https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharycohen/2021/01/27/its-time-for-somebody-to-trade-for-orlando-magic-forward-aaron-gordon/?sh=18d12c0872ab

Gordon playing the Draymond roll is exactly what this team needs, IMO. I think Danny is going to have to give up on some draft capital to get it done. He's been reluctant to do it in the past, but I think he needs to find guys who fit in with the Jay's now and long term. I would hope that the TPE Langford a first and second could get it done.

Instead of worrying about our bench shooting and depth we need to get our short rotation right for the playoffs. Gordon would give us versatility and depth. He could both start next to Theis and fill in for him at the end of games.

In a shortened rotation Tatum, Brown, Gordon, Walker, Smart, Theis, Pritchard, and Timelord is pretty good in my opinion.

[Moranis]

I'd rather just try for Draymond than a guy playing the Draymond role.  No idea if GS would move on from him, but worth a call.  And to be clear, I'm one of the people that pretty much has said Draymond is done as a core piece, I just think he would be a great role player.  Again I don't know if GS would even consider it, but he does fit into the TPE.  And while I don't know if Draymond elevates Boston into the true contender status this year, he certainly gets the team closer.

Would GS do something like Draymond, Chriss for Theis, Langford, 2021 1st, 2023 lotto prot. 1st?  No idea, but I'd certainly make the call and it would save them a ton of money while giving them some younger assets.  I'd probably throw in Grant Williams and/or a 2022 pick swap if needed

[NKY fan]

I'd rather just try for Draymond than a guy playing the Draymond role.  No idea if GS would move on from him, but worth a call.  And to be clear, I'm one of the people that pretty much has said Draymond is done as a core piece, I just think he would be a great role player.  Again I don't know if GS would even consider it, but he does fit into the TPE.  And while I don't know if Draymond elevates Boston into the true contender status this year, he certainly gets the team closer.

Would GS do something like Draymond, Chriss for Theis, Langford, 2021 1st, 2023 lotto prot. 1st?  No idea, but I'd certainly make the call and it would save them a ton of money while giving them some younger assets.  I'd probably throw in Grant Williams and/or a 2022 pick swap if needed

Draymond is pushing for top 10 worst contract in the league. He should be gettable for just Grant... first rounders sound like an overpay

[Atzar]

I'd rather just try for Draymond than a guy playing the Draymond role.  No idea if GS would move on from him, but worth a call.  And to be clear, I'm one of the people that pretty much has said Draymond is done as a core piece, I just think he would be a great role player.  Again I don't know if GS would even consider it, but he does fit into the TPE.  And while I don't know if Draymond elevates Boston into the true contender status this year, he certainly gets the team closer.

Would GS do something like Draymond, Chriss for Theis, Langford, 2021 1st, 2023 lotto prot. 1st?  No idea, but I'd certainly make the call and it would save them a ton of money while giving them some younger assets.  I'd probably throw in Grant Williams and/or a 2022 pick swap if needed

Draymond is pushing for top 10 worst contract in the league. He should be gettable for just Grant... first rounders sound like an overpay

He's a difficult guy to put a value on.

His ability to score has almost completely left him over the last couple of seasons, but he still does a lot of really good things for a team.  If we acquired him, he'd immediately be the team's best defender, he's a great passer, and he'd be excellent for the development for some of our young guys.  Watch the way he coaches Wiseman on the court and tell me you wouldn't want that for R Williams. 

Worth $22M?  Nah.  And with that in mind, I don't know how many assets I'm willing to give up for him in a trade.  But I do think he could help us. 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Orlando has now lost 12 of their last 16 games and have a lot of salary committed next season.  Not having to take back salary in a trade because of the Celtics’ TPE would be valuable to them.  I’d be looking to poach one of their players.  Gordon is the guy I’d like to see as we need some size. Vucevic and Fournier are interesting as well.

Fournier or bust lol.
Anyway he probably won’t be a difference maker

We don’t have the assets to get a star.  We need better supporting players.

Vucevic is a star and would absolutely be a murderer for us.  I doubt they take Kemba but man what a fit basketballwise.

Something like this + an unprotected first and another pick?  I mean I really doubt it especially with Fultz but maybe there is a way to finagle something with another team: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y2mbocl8

[boscel33]

I've been a Vuc guy for a few years now, back to when DA had strong interest about three years ago.  I don't see how Orlando moves on from him, specially since we really don't have a lot to offer.  It would take some creativity, but count me in.

[jambr380]

Yeah, I'm not part of the trade Kemba crowd, but if we could grab Vucevic in a 3-way deal with ORL and say CHI or NYK, I think I would go for it. Not sure what the option becomes for TT - maybe he goes out in that trade, too - but he would most certainly need to be dealt.

[dannyboy35]

Smart’s been one of my fave Celtics but I think this team could move on from him. He’s still elite defensively, but JB/JT are some of the best 2 way players in the league too. With that, how about something like:

A package centered around Smart for Hield+Haliburton.

Ideally we would use the TPE to make things work, I just don’t know how. We might end up having to give up on a prospect too like Langford or Nesmith.  But this way, we send Smart west, we get a real shooter and we get a solid prospect to boot. Kings get to bolster their league worst defense

  Were in such a cruddy position with Kemba’s knee making him a question mark . If we wanted to move either Marcus or Kemba it’s pretty tough. If you deal Marcus though it has to be a landslide victory of a trade . There’s waaaay to many Boston fans that were lazy players growing up that attach themselves to Marcus as if they’d play that hard all the time too. The “Name on the back” 1st fans.