Three way trade idea to obtain Bradley Beal. And become a legit contender

[td450]

We have two 27 ppg scorers who are still evolving as players. You cannot add another even higher usage player to that mix. We don't need to hit a home run. We need a complimentary player that can play defense, pass and score 14-16 ppg.

Kemba can't ever be a plus defender, but he can settle into the scoring/passing role if he can bring himself to accept it.

[Vermont Green]

If the deal was around Walker plus picks (and I don't see Washington even considering an offer around Walker), I guess you would have to consider it just on a value basis but I don't think Bradley Beal is what this team needs right now.  I would not want to trade Brown or Tatum who are both in the top 12 in the league in scoring (only team with 2 in the top 12).

Incidentally, in the top 12 in scoring are Embiid, Giannis, and Jokic, all legit bigs.  Also includes Durant who is probably more wing than big but call it 3.5 out of the top 12 (30%) are bigs.  Point is that most of the good teams have a good big these days and an increasing number of teams are winning with a big as their best player.  What we need is a good big.

Anyway it would make no sense for either team.  Don't see it happening, don't really want it to happen.

[Jvalin]

Not a big fan of trading for Beal, but I'll play along.

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Add as many pick(s) as you see fit. The Knicks may be willing to throw in a pick as well.

I guess we'd take back at least one more contract from the Wiz otherwise they'd have to cut 2 players.

C's roster after the trade

PG: Smart - Pritchard - Teague
SG: Beal - Green - Edwards
SF: Brown - Semi -
PF: Tatum - Grant -
C: Theis - Thompson - Timelord

Wizards starting lineup after the trade

PG: Westbrook
SG: Romeo / Nesmith
SF: Avdija
PF: Hachimura
C: Randle

For the record, I fully believe the Wiz can get better value for Beal. But then again, maybe that's just me cause I'm low on Randle.

[gouki88]

I feel like Washington could, theoretically, find better packages than the one we could offer them three team or otherwise.

However, if we could turn Walker + two of our recent draftees, alongside whatever picks, into Beal, I wouldn't hesitate. I also would be willing to ship out Smart for him too (probably not alongside Kemba unless I'm blown away).

[PAOBoston]

So we have like 600 threads about needing to trade Kemba because he doesn’t know his role and takes too make shots that JT/JB should be taking so the logical answer to to create threads asking for Bradley Beal who is...(checks notes)....a high usage scorer/#1 option. Makes total sense.

I like Bradley Beal. Think he is a fantastic scorer. I don’t think he’s a great fit on this team if the Cs have both JB and JT. You run into the same issue you’ve run into the last few years: all those guys have to sacrifice #s and I don’t think any of them are at the stage in their career where they want/willing to do it. There’s a much better chance Kemba just gets back to form and fills that role.

[Jvalin]

So we have like 600 threads about needing to trade Kemba because he doesn’t know his role and takes too make shots that JT/JB should be taking so the logical answer to to create threads asking for Bradley Beal who is...(checks notes)....a high usage scorer/#1 option. Makes total sense.

I like Bradley Beal. Think he is a fantastic scorer. I don’t think he’s a great fit on this team if the Cs have both JB and JT. You run into the same issue you’ve run into the last few years: all those guys have to sacrifice #s and I don’t think any of them are at the stage in their career where they want/willing to do it.

Yep, I totally agree with this. TP!

All 3 of Tatum-Brown-Beal can play off the ball, but all 3 of them need the ball in their hands in order to maximize their effectiveness. Not to mention, Beal wouldn't be a good fit in our switch heavy defensive scheme. This is why I said I'm not a big fan of trading for Beal. Imo, the C's need an off-ball specialist or a point forward in the mold of Hayward.

[JBcat]

I’m not fond of the idea of trading away Walker, but just for fun finagle a way trading away Smart, Thompson, Walker, TPE, and several picks for Oladipo with an extension and Beal.  Have a big backcourt with Beal and Oladipo with Tatum and Brown as your forwards. Lots of flexibility with lineups. A pipidream though not reality. Lol

I was actually lukewarm on the Oladipo idea as I was nervous paying him so much as he enters his 30s, but I’ve come around on it.

[td450]

So we have like 600 threads about needing to trade Kemba because he doesn’t know his role and takes too make shots that JT/JB should be taking so the logical answer to to create threads asking for Bradley Beal who is...(checks notes)....a high usage scorer/#1 option. Makes total sense.

I like Bradley Beal. Think he is a fantastic scorer. I don’t think he’s a great fit on this team if the Cs have both JB and JT. You run into the same issue you’ve run into the last few years: all those guys have to sacrifice #s and I don’t think any of them are at the stage in their career where they want/willing to do it. There’s a much better chance Kemba just gets back to form and fills that role.

I agree about Beal. Its a weird idea to add someone who needs to shoot that much.

As for Kemba, I think the idea that he is shooting too much is wrong. His problem is that he isn't playing in a complimentary way, not so much that he is taking a crazy number of shots.

He's still trying to break the defense and dribbling too much instead of playing off Tatum and Brown more. If he was moving the ball and providing spacing and the defense kept doubling, then when he shoots its a good shot. But Brown and Tatum are now much more efficient breaking the defense, not just better than he is now, but better than he ever was at his peak. Kemba was never as good as Brown and Tatum are right now.

He still should score. He needs to learn to play more efficiently with guys who are better than him.

[gouki88]

I’m not fond of the idea of trading away Walker, but just for fun finagle a way trading away Smart, Thompson, Walker, TPE, and several picks for Oladipo with an extension and Beal.  Have a big backcourt with Beal and Oladipo with Tatum and Brown as your forwards. Lots of flexibility with lineups. A pipidream though not reality. Lol

I was actually lukewarm on the Oladipo idea as I was nervous paying him so much as he enters his 30s, but I’ve come around on it.

Man, that would actually be crazy. https://tradenba.com/trades/vkMjshipX

It doesn't work until March because of recently signed and recently traded restrictions, but imagine the team we'd have. Terrrrrrible bench, but a ludicrous starting lineup. Not sure I'd even want it, but look at the resulting team:

Oladipo / Pritchard / Teague
Beal / Langford / Green
Brown / Ojeleye / Nesmith
Tatum / G Williams
R Williams / Theis

I think I'm in the camp of someone who would rather we try and grab low-usage secondary guys like Aaron Gordon or Harrison Barnes, as our young duo provides plenty of scoring. That is, unless we could nab a binkie like Jonas V or Nikola Vucevic

[ETNCeltics]

People advocate in one thread that Kemba needs to shoot less, then advocate for trading for the guy who is shooting more than anyone in the nba in another thread. And were advocating trading for the king of bad shots - James Harden - in other threads.

[Jvalin]

I’m not fond of the idea of trading away Walker, but just for fun finagle a way trading away Smart, Thompson, Walker, TPE, and several picks for Oladipo with an extension and Beal.  Have a big backcourt with Beal and Oladipo with Tatum and Brown as your forwards. Lots of flexibility with lineups. A pipidream though not reality. Lol

I was actually lukewarm on the Oladipo idea as I was nervous paying him so much as he enters his 30s, but I’ve come around on it.

Man, that would actually be crazy. https://tradenba.com/trades/vkMjshipX

It doesn't work until March because of recently signed and recently traded restrictions, but imagine the team we'd have. Terrrrrrible bench, but a ludicrous starting lineup. Not sure I'd even want it, but look at the resulting team:

Oladipo / Pritchard / Teague
Beal / Langford / Green
Brown / Ojeleye / Nesmith
Tatum / G Williams
R Williams / Theis

I think I'm in the camp of someone who would rather we try and grab low-usage secondary guys like Aaron Gordon or Harrison Barnes, as our young duo provides plenty of scoring. That is, unless we could nab a binkie like Jonas V or Nikola Vucevic

(from the Wiz point of view)

Wiz in: Kemba + 2 late firsts
Wiz out: Beal

Why on earth would the Wiz pull the trigger? This is terrible value for Beal, plus they already got Westbrook, hence they don't need Kemba.

Not to mention, it would be a bad deal for the Rockets as well.

[Goldstar88]

People advocate in one thread that Kemba needs to shoot less, then advocate for trading for the guy who is shooting more than anyone in the nba in another thread. And were advocating trading for the king of bad shots - James Harden - in other threads.

To be fair, Beal is an upgrade over Kemba in every possible way. Never wanted Harden, though.

[Goldstar88]

I’m not fond of the idea of trading away Walker, but just for fun finagle a way trading away Smart, Thompson, Walker, TPE, and several picks for Oladipo with an extension and Beal.  Have a big backcourt with Beal and Oladipo with Tatum and Brown as your forwards. Lots of flexibility with lineups. A pipidream though not reality. Lol

I was actually lukewarm on the Oladipo idea as I was nervous paying him so much as he enters his 30s, but I’ve come around on it.

Man, that would actually be crazy. https://tradenba.com/trades/vkMjshipX

It doesn't work until March because of recently signed and recently traded restrictions, but imagine the team we'd have. Terrrrrrible bench, but a ludicrous starting lineup. Not sure I'd even want it, but look at the resulting team:

Oladipo / Pritchard / Teague
Beal / Langford / Green
Brown / Ojeleye / Nesmith
Tatum / G Williams
R Williams / Theis

I think I'm in the camp of someone who would rather we try and grab low-usage secondary guys like Aaron Gordon or Harrison Barnes, as our young duo provides plenty of scoring. That is, unless we could nab a binkie like Jonas V or Nikola Vucevic

Yeah, Beal is going to demand a hell of a lot more than that. IMO, he has more value than Harden did and we saw how that trade went down lol.

[PAOBoston]

People advocate in one thread that Kemba needs to shoot less, then advocate for trading for the guy who is shooting more than anyone in the nba in another thread. And were advocating trading for the king of bad shots - James Harden - in other threads.

To be fair, Beal is an upgrade over Kemba in every possible way. Never wanted Harden, though.

Don’t think anyone is saying otherwise. The poster is referring to the hypocritical thinking of needing to trade Kemba to get a complimentary role player type to fit with JB/JT while people
On the other hand are advocating to add another #1 scorer/high usage type at the expense on Kemba. The logic doesn’t make much sense.

[ozgod]

Kemba, Smart, Theis, and maybe another 1st or two for Beal? I don't know - that's too rich for me.

We can get to a Beal trade on our own if we do a Smart/Thompson combination with picks. I am not sure how excited WAS is to trade Beal, but in this scenario we keep Kemba (which is a pretty huge keep) and keep Theis over TT (which is basically a wash). And honestly, Smart/Thompson seems like a better duo for WAS than Harris/Porter.

I think many people like the idea of adding Beal while holding onto Tatum/Brown so it's not too far fetched, but I don't love all the pieces you have going out, especially since I am apparently a lot higher on Kemba than others.

I also think there's going to be a challenge in attracting players like Beal to a team with the Jays on it - they just need to look at history to see that adding a third mouth to feed doesn't bode well for the third mouth (Hayward, Kemba). The Jays are our future and they will always be #1 and #2. I doubt Beal is at the stage of his career where he might be willing to sacrifice his own numbers. I'm still wondering how it will work in Brooklyn with Harden, Durant and Kyrie. We might want to set our sights on someone who is a known second option who would also cost less, or a former first option/All Star caliber player who is happy to take a backseat and sacrifice his usage and numbers to play a supporting role. Hint: As you mentioned we may already have such a player on our team 

Also, Kemba has played 6 games this year. Let's give him some time before calling him a washed up has been