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Doncic had by far his most dominant performance of the season in a 113-100 road win Monday night over the Houston Rockets. He had season highs with 33 points, 16 rebounds and 11 assists, recording his first triple-double of the season, one that had some historical significance.

Doncic now has three of the five 30-15-10 performances in NBA history by players younger than age 22, according to Elias Sports Bureau research. The others were recorded by a couple of Hall of Famers, Oscar Robertson in 1960 and Magic Johnson in 1981.

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Don’t think I’ve ever seen nor read of a player being this dominant offensively at this age.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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Don’t think I’ve ever seen nor read of a player being this dominant offensively at this age.
Nope, it's amazing what he can do at his age.  I just hope he isn't an early peak and early decline guy.  It seems like he already has a 32 year old body already and he will need to learn how to take care of himself in the next couple years.  I'm not comparing them as players but right now I see a little bit of Antoine Walker in Doncic.  Walker came into the league as a beast with a great motor and that started to fade away in his mid 20's.  I don't want to see that with Doncic.  We would all be robbed of Doncic's brilliance.

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Don’t think I’ve ever seen nor read of a player being this dominant offensively at this age.
Only player I can think of is Magic. Won Finals MVP in his rookie season. He was 21 years old at the time. To some extent, Luka reminds me of Magic.


I just hope he isn't an early peak and early decline guy.  It seems like he already has a 32 year old body already
The way he plays, he ain't relying on athleticism. I fully believe he's on his way to become a GOAT candidate, barring injuries.
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Don’t think I’ve ever seen nor read of a player being this dominant offensively at this age.
Only player I can think of is Magic. Won Finals MVP in his rookie season. He was 21 years old at the time. Personally speaking, Luka reminds me of Magic.


I just hope he isn't an early peak and early decline guy.  It seems like he already has a 32 year old body already
The way he plays, he ain't relying on athleticism. I bet he'll have an uber successful career, baring injuries. I fully believe he's on his way to become a GOAT candidate.
I hope you are right.  He really could be a GOAT candidate with those skills and strong body that he has.  It just seems far from a guarantee that he will age like Lebron and Kobe.  I just have a little concern that he may not be better at 30 than he is now.

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Don’t think I’ve ever seen nor read of a player being this dominant offensively at this age.
Nope, it's amazing what he can do at his age.  I just hope he isn't an early peak and early decline guy.  It seems like he already has a 32 year old body already and he will need to learn how to take care of himself in the next couple years.  I'm not comparing them as players but right now I see a little bit of Antoine Walker in Doncic.  Walker came into the league as a beast with a great motor and that started to fade away in his mid 20's.  I don't want to see that with Doncic.  We would all be robbed of Doncic's brilliance.
I'd be surprised if that happened. We've seen guys who relied on skills over athleticism last for a long long time, and even those who rely on athleticism can last into their early 30s quite easily (or, if they're LeBron, forever).

I think someone like Doncic, whose skills are shooting, passing and ball-handling, will age like wine. It's partly why I think Harden will age really well too. I think the only issue would be injuries, but skill-based guys like Duncan, Dirk, Nash, Stockton, Kidd, West, Pierce, and many more come to mind as examples of guys who had some athleticism, but lasted forever due to their elite skill-base.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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19.5% 3 point shooting percentage for the season.

No one seems to want to talk about that. Ruins a good story I guess.

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Don’t think I’ve ever seen nor read of a player being this dominant offensively at this age.
Nope, it's amazing what he can do at his age.  I just hope he isn't an early peak and early decline guy.  It seems like he already has a 32 year old body already and he will need to learn how to take care of himself in the next couple years.  I'm not comparing them as players but right now I see a little bit of Antoine Walker in Doncic.  Walker came into the league as a beast with a great motor and that started to fade away in his mid 20's.  I don't want to see that with Doncic.  We would all be robbed of Doncic's brilliance.
I'd be surprised if that happened. We've seen guys who relied on skills over athleticism last for a long long time, and even those who rely on athleticism can last into their early 30s quite easily (or, if they're LeBron, forever).

I think someone like Doncic, whose skills are shooting, passing and ball-handling, will age like wine. It's partly why I think Harden will age really well too. I think the only issue would be injuries, but skill-based guys like Duncan, Dirk, Nash, Stockton, Kidd, West, Pierce, and many more come to mind as examples of guys who had some athleticism, but lasted forever due to their elite skill-base.
Hopefully, Tatum will make that list one day. Not as skilled as Luka, but still a very crafty player, especially for his size.

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19.5% 3 point shooting percentage for the season.

No one seems to want to talk about that. Ruins a good story I guess.
Probably because it's up 10% since his first 4 games. Really speaks to how lofty his expectations are that, at 21 years old and averaging 26/9/7 on a .500 team missing it's second best player, people will bring up a cold spell from 3.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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Don’t think I’ve ever seen nor read of a player being this dominant offensively at this age.
Nope, it's amazing what he can do at his age.  I just hope he isn't an early peak and early decline guy.  It seems like he already has a 32 year old body already and he will need to learn how to take care of himself in the next couple years.  I'm not comparing them as players but right now I see a little bit of Antoine Walker in Doncic.  Walker came into the league as a beast with a great motor and that started to fade away in his mid 20's.  I don't want to see that with Doncic.  We would all be robbed of Doncic's brilliance.
I'd be surprised if that happened. We've seen guys who relied on skills over athleticism last for a long long time, and even those who rely on athleticism can last into their early 30s quite easily (or, if they're LeBron, forever).

I think someone like Doncic, whose skills are shooting, passing and ball-handling, will age like wine. It's partly why I think Harden will age really well too. I think the only issue would be injuries, but skill-based guys like Duncan, Dirk, Nash, Stockton, Kidd, West, Pierce, and many more come to mind as examples of guys who had some athleticism, but lasted forever due to their elite skill-base.
Hopefully, Tatum will make that list one day. Not as skilled as Luka, but still a very crafty player, especially for his size.
If he keeps adding wrinkles to his game (like his passing improvements) there's no reason why not! He's got all the natural feel for basketball you could ask for
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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19.5% 3 point shooting percentage for the season.

No one seems to want to talk about that. Ruins a good story I guess.
Probably because it's up 10% since his first 4 games. Really speaks to how lofty his expectations are that, at 21 years old and averaging 26/9/7 on a .500 team missing it's second best player, people will bring up a cold spell from 3.

He's been a below average 3 point shooter since he came into the league and he usually takes 7 to 9 attempts per game. The percentage rate hasn't really justified the volume to this point in his career. That's absolutely a fair criticism for Luka.
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SF: Gordon Hayward/Demar Derozan
PF: Giannis Antetokounmpo/Robert Covington
C: Kristaps Porzingis/Bobby Portis/James Wiseman

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Don’t think I’ve ever seen nor read of a player being this dominant offensively at this age.
Nope, it's amazing what he can do at his age.  I just hope he isn't an early peak and early decline guy.  It seems like he already has a 32 year old body already and he will need to learn how to take care of himself in the next couple years.  I'm not comparing them as players but right now I see a little bit of Antoine Walker in Doncic.  Walker came into the league as a beast with a great motor and that started to fade away in his mid 20's.  I don't want to see that with Doncic.  We would all be robbed of Doncic's brilliance.

I understand what your saying. He may not look like the physical specimen and as cut as LeBron, but Luka is still a beast. When Luka goes to the paint, defenders seem to bounce off him (not because of flopping) due to his strength/size. To your point, I would like to see Luka take some advice from LeBron, in how he takes care of his body.

It still amazes me how Phoenix, Sacramento, and (to a lesser extent) Atlanta didn't pick Luka in the draft. He didn't need time to develop and was ready to compete at basically an all star level on day one.

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19.5% 3 point shooting percentage for the season.

No one seems to want to talk about that. Ruins a good story I guess.
Probably because it's up 10% since his first 4 games. Really speaks to how lofty his expectations are that, at 21 years old and averaging 26/9/7 on a .500 team missing it's second best player, people will bring up a cold spell from 3.

He's been a below average 3 point shooter since he came into the league and he usually takes 7 to 9 attempts per game. The percentage rate hasn't really justified the volume to this point in his career. That's absolutely a fair criticism for Luka.
Thing is, he's taking tons of step back 3s. These are possibly the most difficult shots to master in basketball. At the same time, they are unguardable! It's not like Luka is a spot up shooter who's taking uncontested shots. Very few players around the NBA are crafty enough to have the step back 3 in their arsenal. Thankfully, we got one of them in Tatum! :)

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19.5% 3 point shooting percentage for the season.

No one seems to want to talk about that. Ruins a good story I guess.
Probably because it's up 10% since his first 4 games. Really speaks to how lofty his expectations are that, at 21 years old and averaging 26/9/7 on a .500 team missing it's second best player, people will bring up a cold spell from 3.

He's been a below average 3 point shooter since he came into the league and he usually takes 7 to 9 attempts per game. The percentage rate hasn't really justified the volume to this point in his career. That's absolutely a fair criticism for Luka.
Thing is, he's taking tons of step back 3s. These are possibly the most difficult shots to master in basketball. At the same time, they are unguardable! It's not like Luka is a spot up shooter who's taking uncontested shots. Very few players around the NBA are crafty enough to have the step back 3 in their arsenal. Thankfully, we got one of them in Tatum! :)

They're not unguardable if he's only a below average three point shooter, though. On the other hand, Tatum is a career 40% 3pt shooter who's currently shooting 43% from 3 this season. He still gets crapped on for "hero ball" when he takes a step back 3 during a game. Imagine this board if he only shot 32% for his career and started out the season at 20% but still launched 8 threes a game? We'd be beside ourselves about his shot selection, no?

No one is doubting that Luka is an otherworldly talent. But he's not above criticism. That's a part of his game he needs to improve.
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