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Desmond Bane
« on: December 18, 2020, 12:17:58 AM »

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Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

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Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2020, 12:29:08 AM »

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Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv0S7bG85M
No clue.  Trade made absolutely no sense.  Bane shot 43% from 3 over his 4 years in college and he's a pretty good defender. 

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2020, 12:35:34 AM »

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They didn’t want three rookies and weren’t ready to cut Edwards, Waters, or Tacko.

Kind of dumb but that seems to be the reasoning.

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2020, 12:46:07 AM »

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I was so excited to see the Celtics pick Bane only to trade him. I had Bane at 26 and Pritchard at 30. It would of been sweet. Bane and Pritchard were both four year guys so it’s not like bringing in two raw rookies.

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2020, 01:01:27 AM »

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Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv0S7bG85M
What do you mean why? Look at the haul we got for him:

2023 second round draft pick from Houston, Dallas or Miami
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick; Boston will receive the more favorable of (i) Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 31-32 and (ii) the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Houston will receive the least favorable of the three (via Miami to Dallas; via Memphis' right to swap Dallas or Miami for Houston) (if the Houston pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyable, then Boston will receive the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Houston's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020]

2025 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 2025 2nd round pick to Boston [Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020]
Sound like a pick in the 40s in 2023
And another pick in the 40s in 2025

Danny choked this time

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2020, 01:02:43 AM »

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They didn’t want three rookies and weren’t ready to cut Edwards, Waters, or Tacko.

Kind of dumb but that seems to be the reasoning.
Unbelievable that anyone would put any hope in Edwards development

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2020, 07:01:00 AM »

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In hindsight I suspect Danny wouldn’t do the trade.

At the time, though, I think Danny was banking on either Hayward coming back, or taking back substantial salary in a sign-and-trade.  Kanter’s salary looked like it would hinder the team.  It might have prevented us from using the full MLE, etc.

I think that with a longer off-season, Danny waits.

Of course, this is all blown apart by Memphis’ trade of Kanter to Portland for cash and Mario H’s minimum salary. 



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Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2020, 08:39:34 AM »

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They didn’t want three rookies and weren’t ready to cut Edwards, Waters, or Tacko.

Kind of dumb but that seems to be the reasoning.
Unbelievable that anyone would put any hope in Edwards development

Edwards does seem really lost out there. However I'm told he looks really good in practice and they are betting on it translating into games. I made that last part up my sources are CelticsStrong and my 70 year old dad.
ok fine

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2020, 08:40:44 AM »

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Danny gets pretty stupid at times.

People were claiming he should not use all three picks and he got caught up in that notion.

There was no reason not to keep this pick. None. Could have added salary to a trade after the fact, Gordon had no impact on this decision, imo. It was purely reactionary to what talking heads were stating.

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Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2020, 08:44:10 AM »

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They didn’t want three rookies and weren’t ready to cut Edwards, Waters, or Tacko.

Kind of dumb but that seems to be the reasoning.
waters and tacko  are on 2way so they don’t count, cuz I don’t think Bane would accept a 2 way. He’s more developed than that clearly

This is all about ainge being fully invested in Carson “goose egg box score” edwards

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2020, 08:48:29 AM »

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Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv0S7bG85M
What do you mean why? Look at the haul we got for him:

2023 second round draft pick from Houston, Dallas or Miami
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick; Boston will receive the more favorable of (i) Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 31-32 and (ii) the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Houston will receive the least favorable of the three (via Miami to Dallas; via Memphis' right to swap Dallas or Miami for Houston) (if the Houston pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyable, then Boston will receive the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Houston's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020]

2025 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 2025 2nd round pick to Boston [Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020]
Sound like a pick in the 40s in 2023
And another pick in the 40s in 2025

Danny choked this time

You mean, “*Danny choked again..” he’s pretty terrible at drafting overall.
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Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2020, 09:00:47 AM »

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I wouldn't really worry about it. The only reason we were able to make the trade was because Bane was slipping and MEM wanted him. If we instead had the #32 pick (a 2nd rounder instead of a 1st) and traded for two future picks projected around #40, nobody would care.

Bane may end up a very good player in this league, but there is no evidence Ainge would have selected him anyway. He is who MEM wanted, not necessarily our guy at that spot.

The trade was fine - obviously a future #1 would have been better, but that is not what was offered. If we really want a future #30 pick, we can probably trade these two picks for it at that point in time.

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2020, 09:04:47 AM »

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Was quite a bummer. Would cut Edwards or Ojeleye for him in a heartbeat.

It’s softened by us nabbing two legit shooters in Nesmith & PP.

Also a fan of Yam Madar. He and old friend Walt Lemon Jr. are on the same team and Madar is already considerably better than him this year. Not trying to say Lemon is some star, but he was a 19-6-4 guy over a substantial G-League career. Solid place for our young guy to be
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Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2020, 09:06:48 AM »

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Can someone explain why the Celtics traded this guy to Memphis for essentially nothing? He already seems to have more upside than Waters, G Williams, Fall, Edwards, or Semi, all of whom I really don’t see making it in the NBA. Waters is Phill Pressey 2.0, G Williams is a 6’4” PF, Taco is just too slow/uncoordinated And Edwards looks awful. Semi at least provides some muscle and solid D at the wing position, but he’s basically useless offensively. Seems like a huge waste not taking a chance on Bane, a 6’6” wing who shot 44.2% from behind the arc last year. He’s looked good for the Grizz so far too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eiv0S7bG85M
What do you mean why? Look at the haul we got for him:

2023 second round draft pick from Houston, Dallas or Miami
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick; Boston will receive the more favorable of (i) Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 31-32 and (ii) the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Houston will receive the least favorable of the three (via Miami to Dallas; via Memphis' right to swap Dallas or Miami for Houston) (if the Houston pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyable, then Boston will receive the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Houston's obligation to Boston will be extinguished) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020]

2025 second round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 2025 2nd round pick to Boston [Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020]
Sound like a pick in the 40s in 2023
And another pick in the 40s in 2025

Danny choked this time

You mean, “*Danny choked again..” he’s pretty terrible at drafting overall.
He’s been outstanding at the top of the draft... he also has been mediocre when selecting outside top 10... he has potentially drafted the worst player in a few drafts ... I was advocating he makes all picks this year because guys might be just undervalued and slide... looks like Pritchard might confirm that. However Nesmith seems overrated (rated based on the handful of games he played last season). It would have made sense to keep Bane despite his $2m guaranteed salary because there was a high chance he was underrated.. I predict that there will be 1-2 all stars from top 10 draft picks this year and another 4-5 all stars drafted in the range 11-45.
The “choking” comment was intended towards the return he got for the 30th pick.

Re: Desmond Bane
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2020, 09:13:45 AM »

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For all those watching a player light it up in a preaseason game and wondering why the organization didn't just cut Edwards to make room for him, keep in mind that Edwards himself lit it up in the preseason last year and we were all hyping him up exactly the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYdebWnKBBI

The other answer to your question is that at the time of the draft just a few weeks ago, the Celtics were still contemplating ways to retain Hayward via a new contract and stay under the luxury tax. It was pretty sensible to trade #30 for two future 2nds, given that fact.