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Re: Hayward has no ill will towards Celtics!
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2020, 04:40:54 PM »

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I think Hayward signed with the team never expecting Tatum and Brown to supplant him so soon. Ultimately it's good for the Celtics that things didn't work out perfectly.

Bye bye Gordon. Have fun gaming and playing for the #8 seed Hornets

Completely agree with the first sentence, but I really wonder what would’ve happened if he’d never been injured. In my alternative reality, all-star level Hayward vaults that team into the Finals and a real chance at a chip. The youngsters defer to real talent and learn to play more of a ball-movement game. Tatum is an incredibly talented iso player, but I think Hayward was right (he said it elsewhere) that the team is still better when the ball moves. How many of us on this blog tear our hair out at what happens to the offense late in games - all the long 3s and iso ball. If Hayward was healthy and the alpha I think we would’ve seen a lot less of it.

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2020, 04:41:00 PM »

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Is this the guy we had on the team before Payton Pritchard?

Re: Hayward has no ill will towards Celtics!
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2020, 09:23:38 PM »

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This is a huge counterpoint against the conspiracy narrative that “something is wrong with the C’s” because the free agents they sign end up leaving (Kyrie, Horford, Hayward)

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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2020, 09:34:10 PM »

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I’d understand ill will to people like the OP, but not to the organisation itself
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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2020, 09:56:10 PM »

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I think Hayward signed with the team never expecting Tatum and Brown to supplant him so soon. Ultimately it's good for the Celtics that things didn't work out perfectly.

Bye bye Gordon. Have fun gaming and playing for the #8 seed Hornets

Completely agree with the first sentence, but I really wonder what would’ve happened if he’d never been injured. In my alternative reality, all-star level Hayward vaults that team into the Finals and a real chance at a chip. The youngsters defer to real talent and learn to play more of a ball-movement game. Tatum is an incredibly talented iso player, but I think Hayward was right (he said it elsewhere) that the team is still better when the ball moves. How many of us on this blog tear our hair out at what happens to the offense late in games - all the long 3s and iso ball. If Hayward was healthy and the alpha I think we would’ve seen a lot less of it.

People crap all over Ainge, but we win at least one championship over the last three years w/o the Hayward injury. Obviously we get a prime Hayward during that time, but the youngsters also wouldn't have been put in a position to lead us to game 7 of the ECF 'alone', and that would have led to a less ornery Kyrie.

We are so lucky to have a GM like Ainge whose entire plan A creation crumbled 5 minutes into its first season. Somehow we are still making deep playoff runs and are poised for an even brighter future despite losing 3 max FAs over the last 2 years.

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« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2020, 10:31:19 PM »

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I think Hayward signed with the team never expecting Tatum and Brown to supplant him so soon. Ultimately it's good for the Celtics that things didn't work out perfectly.

Bye bye Gordon. Have fun gaming and playing for the #8 seed Hornets

Completely agree with the first sentence, but I really wonder what would’ve happened if he’d never been injured. In my alternative reality, all-star level Hayward vaults that team into the Finals and a real chance at a chip. The youngsters defer to real talent and learn to play more of a ball-movement game. Tatum is an incredibly talented iso player, but I think Hayward was right (he said it elsewhere) that the team is still better when the ball moves. How many of us on this blog tear our hair out at what happens to the offense late in games - all the long 3s and iso ball. If Hayward was healthy and the alpha I think we would’ve seen a lot less of it.

People crap all over Ainge, but we win at least one championship over the last three years w/o the Hayward injury. Obviously we get a prime Hayward during that time, but the youngsters also wouldn't have been put in a position to lead us to game 7 of the ECF 'alone', and that would have led to a less ornery Kyrie.

We are so lucky to have a GM like Ainge whose entire plan A creation crumbled 5 minutes into its first season. Somehow we are still making deep playoff runs and are poised for an even brighter future despite losing 3 max FAs over the last 2 years.

Well, as long as we don't keep having bad luck with injuries. If Tatum or Brown go down for a long while, they're not winning a title.
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Re: Hayward has no ill will towards Celtics!
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2020, 10:52:45 PM »

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It’s crazy that if Kyrie and Hayward cared a little more about winning and less about personal things and Horford too we could have had the next super team right now ... wyc would have had to pay tons of luxury tax but we could be looking at starting the season with starters:
Tatum 1st option
Kyrie 2nd option and closer
Brown 3rd option
Horford and Smart
Then off the bench :
Hayward - 6th man of the year
Tristan
Theis
This could translate into 4 all stars plus 2 all defense team players


Plus whatever else crazy draft picks Danny would make
What could have been if only certain Individuals cared more about winning
starting line-up would have Hayward in it.  Prime Hayward isn't coming off the bench

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« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2020, 12:29:18 AM »

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Let me fix that last quote.

"Certainly couldn't be more excited about how much money I’m making now. And looking forward to seeing my bank account."

I think 99% of us would have done the same.

If that's true, I am in the 1%.
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« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2020, 01:33:24 AM »

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Let me fix that last quote.

"Certainly couldn't be more excited about how much money I’m making now. And looking forward to seeing my bank account."

I think 99% of us would have done the same.

If that's true, I am in the 1%.
I think that’s easy to say when you’re not looking $120 million dollars in the eye
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« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2020, 01:34:48 AM »

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Let me fix that last quote.

"Certainly couldn't be more excited about how much money I’m making now. And looking forward to seeing my bank account."

I think 99% of us would have done the same.

If that's true, I am in the 1%.

You think you are, at least.

I suspect, though, that if an outside employer offered you significantly more money, a larger role with greater recognition, lower taxes, better weather, and a culture more in tune with yours politically, you might consider a jump.  Particularly if your last three years at your current job had been full of bad luck and your best friends had already left or been let go by the company.
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Re: Hayward has no ill will towards Celtics!
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2020, 02:03:44 AM »

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Let me fix that last quote.

"Certainly couldn't be more excited about how much money I’m making now. And looking forward to seeing my bank account."

I think 99% of us would have done the same.

If that's true, I am in the 1%.
I think that’s easy to say when you’re not looking $120 million dollars in the eye

On the contrary, as Kevin McHale as GM of the Wolves told Kevin Garnett's agent during a past negotiation, " What can your client do with $120 million that he cannot do with $100 million. These guys salaries' are so out of line with reality, it's ridiculous. They should be set for life making $1 million for 1 year if they had any sense.
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Re: Hayward has no ill will towards Celtics!
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2020, 02:08:50 AM »

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Let me fix that last quote.

"Certainly couldn't be more excited about how much money I’m making now. And looking forward to seeing my bank account."

I think 99% of us would have done the same.

If that's true, I am in the 1%.

You think you are, at least.

I suspect, though, that if an outside employer offered you significantly more money, a larger role with greater recognition, lower taxes, better weather, and a culture more in tune with yours politically, you might consider a jump.  Particularly if your last three years at your current job had been full of bad luck and your best friends had already left or been let go by the company.

Sure I would, but what does that have to do with Hayward making a dubious choice based on the difference between $120 and $100 million dollars. All things being equal, I would have understood Hayward choosing Indiana over the relatively similar situation you describe above. This just looks like a money grab and maybe an ego boost, choosing a situation where he can be leading scorer again - never mind that his new team will be competing for nothing significant.

You a night owl too, Roy ?
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Re: Hayward has no ill will towards Celtics!
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2020, 02:21:22 AM »

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It’s crazy that if Kyrie and Hayward cared a little more about winning and less about personal things and Horford too we could have had the next super team right now ... wyc would have had to pay tons of luxury tax but we could be looking at starting the season with starters:
Tatum 1st option
Kyrie 2nd option and closer
Brown 3rd option
Horford and Smart
Then off the bench :
Hayward - 6th man of the year
Tristan
Theis
This could translate into 4 all stars plus 2 all defense team players

Plus whatever else crazy draft picks Danny would make
What could have been if only certain Individuals cared more about winning

Well said. And absolutely right. Plus I love the idea of Hayward filling that historically special role with the Celtics as 6th man, following the likes of Ramsey, Havlicek, Silas, McHale, Walton and Posey - if his ego could handle coming off the bench and given he would be playing as many minutes as most of the starters.
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Re: Hayward has no ill will towards Celtics!
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2020, 06:00:21 AM »

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In my mind Hayward is a huge dissapointment, in regards to his personality.
He is nothing more than a money chaser, forget all that “me and brad have unfinished business” talk.

He owed the celtics one good year of Gordy, but i guess the feeling wasn’t mutual.

If he signed a deal with hometown Indy, i would get it but chasing money in Charlotte is just out of mind.

Bottom line, couldn’t care less of him, can’t wait for him to beg to be traded a year from now.
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« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2020, 07:18:09 AM »

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In my mind Hayward is a huge dissapointment, in regards to his personality.
He is nothing more than a money chaser, forget all that “me and brad have unfinished business” talk.

He owed the celtics one good year of Gordy, but i guess the feeling wasn’t mutual.

If he signed a deal with hometown Indy, i would get it but chasing money in Charlotte is just out of mind.

Bottom line, couldn’t care less of him, can’t wait for him to beg to be traded a year from now.

I’m definitely disappointed in how Hayward’s tenure in Boston played out, but I don’t blame him for leaving.  Part of it was definitely about the money.  $20 million or so is nothing to sneeze at.  He left money on the table when he left Utah and with his injury history, this would be his last chance at another big contract.  But I think more than that, he wanted to opportunity to be a #1 option again.  He plays the game selflessly, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have an ego.  In his mind, he’s a #1 option.  I don’t agree with him and think he’ll toil in obscurity on a mediocre Hornets team for the rest of his “prime” years, but I don’t blame him for the decision.