Align to JT and JB Timeline idea - get Zach LaVine and Aaron Gordon

[Boise To Boston]

Looking back at great teams in NBA history, you don't see many examples where you have players on vastly different timelines leading a team to a title.  I think it's important to align our team to JT and JB's timeline - Entering their prime around the time they turn 25 and then maximizing their talent and effort for the following 5-10 years.  On that timeline - I don't think Kemba makes sense.  So my hope is that we get Kemba Healthy and then make the following moves at the deadline:

Kemba to the Bulls for Zach Lavine and filler (likely Thaddeus Young)
Picks and/or youth (Grant Williams, Carsen Edwards, Romeo Langford??) to Orlando for Aaron Gordon using TPE.

1- LaVine
2- Smart
3- Brown
4- Tatum
5- Gordon

B- Thompson
B- Teague
B- Pritchard
B- Theis
B- Timelord
B- Nesmith
B- Waters

[gouki88]

Would need Wendell Carter Jr. alongside LaVine if I was to deal Kemba for him. LaVine doesn't play defence and is yet to show he can contribute to winning

[Somebody]

Not a huge fan of LaVine and I view Gordon as a top 40-50 player at best on good teams (and that's if he keeps on improving as a player).

[Boise To Boston]

I would love to get Carter but given Kemba's health I thing getting value for him will be tough.
LaVine has a reputation for being a poor defender, but he's gotten steadily better over the last two years.  I think he could get to the next level with us.  And he's already a better defender than Kemba.

Would need Wendell Carter Jr. alongside LaVine if I was to deal Kemba for him. LaVine doesn't play defence and is yet to show he can contribute to winning

[Moranis]

I disagree with the notion that teams with vastly different timelines don't often win titles.  You see it both ways, but going back to Boston's last title, there is a good mix where some teams like the Warriors are mainly aged together, but then you have the two most recent where there are pretty distinct age groupings even among the top players.

Lakers - Lebron is nearly a decade older than Davis and you basically had 2 groups i.e. LBJ, Rondo, Howard, McGee, Green and then Davis, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso with Morris sort of in between.

Raptors - Older Group - Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka, Green - Mid Group - Kawhi, Powell - Rookie Contract - Siakam, VanVleet

Warriors - top 4 or 5 generally in same range

Cavs - Older Group: Lebron, Smith, Jefferson, Frye, Williams - Mid Group: Love, Irving, Thompson, Shumpert, Delly, Mozgov

Spurs - Older Group: Duncan, Manu, Diaw - Mid Group - Parker, Green, Belinelli, Splitter - Rookie contract: Kawhi, Mills

Heat - Big 3 all from same draft, but they had old guys and young guys mixed in

Mavs - All older though had a few guys like Kidd on their last legs

Lakers - they had Bynum and Fisher who were clearly not in the same range as Kobe, Pau, and Odom

Celtics - Big 3 same general timeline, but lots of young guys mixed throughout the roster

[td450]

If we eventually find a way to grab Gordon with that trade exception, that would be quite a win. He's not quite skilled enough to be a franchise cornerstone, but he'd be a great fit at power forward and would be a nice starter.

I would expect Ainge to be lurking for a bargain. There was a report that the Magic rejected the deal from Portland that eventually landed Covington: Ariza, the 16th this year and a pick next year.

[Boise To Boston]

I'm not saying you have 15 guys within 5 years of eachother.  I'm saying that the guys LEADING the team tend to all be in their prime.  By the time JT/JB get to theirs, Kemba will definitely be over the hill, if his knees aren't already there.  Using your examples you're right - these teams had older/younger players mixed.  But look at who LED these teams:

Lakers- LBJ and Davis are both in their prime (LBJ on the tail end of it, however)
Raptors - Top three players were all in their prime. 
Warriors - Top 3-6 players all in their prime.
Cavs - Again - all their best players are 5 years in and in their primes
Spurs - Kahwi was entering his prime.  The rest of the team was on the same timeline.
Heat - Again, all the guys LEADING the team were in their prime
Mavs - all the same age
Lakers - Kobe, Pau, Odom - same timeline
Celtics- Big 3

I disagree with the notion that teams with vastly different timelines don't often win titles.  You see it both ways, but going back to Boston's last title, there is a good mix where some teams like the Warriors are mainly aged together, but then you have the two most recent where there are pretty distinct age groupings even among the top players.

Lakers - Lebron is nearly a decade older than Davis and you basically had 2 groups i.e. LBJ, Rondo, Howard, McGee, Green and then Davis, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso with Morris sort of in between.

Raptors - Older Group - Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka, Green - Mid Group - Kawhi, Powell - Rookie Contract - Siakam, VanVleet

Warriors - top 4 or 5 generally in same range

Cavs - Older Group: Lebron, Smith, Jefferson, Frye, Williams - Mid Group: Love, Irving, Thompson, Shumpert, Delly, Mozgov

Spurs - Older Group: Duncan, Manu, Diaw - Mid Group - Parker, Green, Belinelli, Splitter - Rookie contract: Kawhi, Mills

Heat - Big 3 all from same draft, but they had old guys and young guys mixed in

Mavs - All older though had a few guys like Kidd on their last legs

Lakers - they had Bynum and Fisher who were clearly not in the same range as Kobe, Pau, and Odom

Celtics - Big 3 same general timeline, but lots of young guys mixed throughout the roster

[nickagneta]

I disagree with the notion that teams with vastly different timelines don't often win titles.  You see it both ways, but going back to Boston's last title, there is a good mix where some teams like the Warriors are mainly aged together, but then you have the two most recent where there are pretty distinct age groupings even among the top players.

Lakers - Lebron is nearly a decade older than Davis and you basically had 2 groups i.e. LBJ, Rondo, Howard, McGee, Green and then Davis, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso with Morris sort of in between.

Raptors - Older Group - Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka, Green - Mid Group - Kawhi, Powell - Rookie Contract - Siakam, VanVleet

Warriors - top 4 or 5 generally in same range

Cavs - Older Group: Lebron, Smith, Jefferson, Frye, Williams - Mid Group: Love, Irving, Thompson, Shumpert, Delly, Mozgov

Spurs - Older Group: Duncan, Manu, Diaw - Mid Group - Parker, Green, Belinelli, Splitter - Rookie contract: Kawhi, Mills

Heat - Big 3 all from same draft, but they had old guys and young guys mixed in

Mavs - All older though had a few guys like Kidd on their last legs

Lakers - they had Bynum and Fisher who were clearly not in the same range as Kobe, Pau, and Odom

Celtics - Big 3 same general timeline, but lots of young guys mixed throughout the roster

TP...completely agree. The idea that all your players need to be on the same timeline is a complete fallacy.

And if it wasn't a fallacy, then don't expect a title here with Brown and Tatum for 5-6 years because almost all title winners are made up of guys 28 years old and older. Having a bunch of 30 something's on your team as a title winner is extremely common.

[Boise To Boston]

Again, not saying that ALL your players need to be on the same timeline.  I'm saying the 2-4 best guys on your team need to be in their prime together.  Kemba will NOT be there by the time JT/JB are.

I disagree with the notion that teams with vastly different timelines don't often win titles.  You see it both ways, but going back to Boston's last title, there is a good mix where some teams like the Warriors are mainly aged together, but then you have the two most recent where there are pretty distinct age groupings even among the top players.

Lakers - Lebron is nearly a decade older than Davis and you basically had 2 groups i.e. LBJ, Rondo, Howard, McGee, Green and then Davis, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso with Morris sort of in between.

Raptors - Older Group - Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka, Green - Mid Group - Kawhi, Powell - Rookie Contract - Siakam, VanVleet

Warriors - top 4 or 5 generally in same range

Cavs - Older Group: Lebron, Smith, Jefferson, Frye, Williams - Mid Group: Love, Irving, Thompson, Shumpert, Delly, Mozgov

Spurs - Older Group: Duncan, Manu, Diaw - Mid Group - Parker, Green, Belinelli, Splitter - Rookie contract: Kawhi, Mills

Heat - Big 3 all from same draft, but they had old guys and young guys mixed in

Mavs - All older though had a few guys like Kidd on their last legs

Lakers - they had Bynum and Fisher who were clearly not in the same range as Kobe, Pau, and Odom

Celtics - Big 3 same general timeline, but lots of young guys mixed throughout the roster

TP...completely agree. The idea that all your players need to be on the same timeline is a complete fallacy.

And if it wasn't a fallacy, then don't expect a title here with Brown and Tatum for 5-6 years because almost all title winners are made up of guys 28 years old and older. Having a bunch of 30 something's on your team as a title winner is extremely common.

[PhoSita]

Not a fan of Zach Lavine.

I think Aaron Gordon could be a nice fit but I wouldn't give up too much to get him.

[RJ87]

Not a fan of Zach Lavine.

I think Aaron Gordon could be a nice fit but I wouldn't give up too much to get him.

Agreed on Lavine.

But I like Gordon quite a bit. He's an underrated passer and his defensive potential here is intriguing. Their fans seem to want a young backcourt guy to go with Markelle, I'd happily ship off Romeo and a 1st if they were interested.

[ChillyWilly]

The concept of "Timeline" for NBA is silly. You build your team from year to year.

This isn't the mid 80s where you find 7 guys you can keep together for decade.

[Moranis]

Again, not saying that ALL your players need to be on the same timeline.  I'm saying the 2-4 best guys on your team need to be in their prime together.  Kemba will NOT be there by the time JT/JB are.

I disagree with the notion that teams with vastly different timelines don't often win titles.  You see it both ways, but going back to Boston's last title, there is a good mix where some teams like the Warriors are mainly aged together, but then you have the two most recent where there are pretty distinct age groupings even among the top players.

Lakers - Lebron is nearly a decade older than Davis and you basically had 2 groups i.e. LBJ, Rondo, Howard, McGee, Green and then Davis, KCP, Kuzma, Caruso with Morris sort of in between.

Raptors - Older Group - Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka, Green - Mid Group - Kawhi, Powell - Rookie Contract - Siakam, VanVleet

Warriors - top 4 or 5 generally in same range

Cavs - Older Group: Lebron, Smith, Jefferson, Frye, Williams - Mid Group: Love, Irving, Thompson, Shumpert, Delly, Mozgov

Spurs - Older Group: Duncan, Manu, Diaw - Mid Group - Parker, Green, Belinelli, Splitter - Rookie contract: Kawhi, Mills

Heat - Big 3 all from same draft, but they had old guys and young guys mixed in

Mavs - All older though had a few guys like Kidd on their last legs

Lakers - they had Bynum and Fisher who were clearly not in the same range as Kobe, Pau, and Odom

Celtics - Big 3 same general timeline, but lots of young guys mixed throughout the roster

TP...completely agree. The idea that all your players need to be on the same timeline is a complete fallacy.

And if it wasn't a fallacy, then don't expect a title here with Brown and Tatum for 5-6 years because almost all title winners are made up of guys 28 years old and older. Having a bunch of 30 something's on your team as a title winner is extremely common.

I get Lebron is in his prime, but he is nearly a decade older than Davis.  That is no where near them being on the same timeline.   Rondo and KCP were their 3rd and 4th contributors in the playoffs and they are nearly a decade apart in age as well.

That was also true of the Raptors.  Lowry, Gasol, and Ibaka were all on the downswing, while Kawhi was firmly in his prime, and Siakam and VanVleet were still on the upswing (and Anunoby but he was injured and didn't play in the playoffs). 

At the end of the day top 5 talent by and large wins NBA championships.  It makes no real difference how you get that talent, how old that talent is, etc.   You just need the top 5 talent and often you need that top 5 talent surrounded by other top 15 talent.   If Boston is going to win a title with Tatum and Brown, it is because one of them elevates into the yearly MVP discussion and the other one is a consistent All NBA performer.  If they do that, it makes no real difference if the 3rd and 4th players are 10 years older, 10 years younger, or right around the same age. 

[Surferdad]

Not a fan of Zach Lavine.

I think Aaron Gordon could be a nice fit but I wouldn't give up too much to get him.

Agreed on Lavine.

But I like Gordon quite a bit. He's an underrated passer and his defensive potential here is intriguing. Their fans seem to want a young backcourt guy to go with Markelle, I'd happily ship off Romeo and a 1st if they were interested.

Not a fan of either player.  Crazy good athletes, both of them.  Gordon is just not good enough.

[RJ87]

Not a fan of Zach Lavine.

I think Aaron Gordon could be a nice fit but I wouldn't give up too much to get him.

Agreed on Lavine.

But I like Gordon quite a bit. He's an underrated passer and his defensive potential here is intriguing. Their fans seem to want a young backcourt guy to go with Markelle, I'd happily ship off Romeo and a 1st if they were interested.

Not a fan of either player.  Crazy good athletes, both of them.  Gordon is just not good enough.

I think we have to be realistic in terms what we can get with the TPE. We don't really have any prime assets to deal (outside of Jayson, Jaylen, and Marcus), so we're probably not getting anything prime back. No teams are realistically dumping All-Stars/fringe All-Stars for cap space and low 1st round picks. I actually think Gordon may be out of "gettable" range as is.