Pacers GM throw shade at Ainge after failed trade

[Birdman]

Bottom line:: Hayward wanted to go to Indy but Ainge wanted him to stay here..so when Hayward opted out, Ainge said u not going to Indy so there!!

[Kernewek]

Look you can parse it however you want, but the Celtics are almost certainly worse than they were last season, and no better than they were last postseason.

I think they’re better than they were last postseason.

Agreed. We lost the opportunity to pay an outrageous contract to a player who didn't play much and didn't contribute much when he did play by any metric you care to name.

His regular season was fine, but not stellar, and certainly not worth his asking price. We might lose the odd game to a Sacramento or a Detroit that we wouldn't have otherwise, but I suspect that'll be the only tangible difference.

[Vermont Green]

Bottom line:: Hayward wanted to go to Indy but Ainge wanted him to stay here..so when Hayward opted out, Ainge said u not going to Indy so there!!

Major conjecture here.  I think being vindictive is about the last thing I would expect from Ainge based on his track record.

I admit that I am full of conjecture also but I think Ainge didn't want to lock up all his cap space with Turner and McDermott and certainly did not want to overpay to keep Hayward, so once he had a deal for Thompson, he moved on.  No emotion, nothing personal, just business.

[tonydelk]

Look you can parse it however you want, but the Celtics are almost certainly worse than they were last season, and no better than they were last postseason.

I think they’re better than they were last postseason.

Agreed. We lost the opportunity to pay an outrageous contract to a player who didn't play much and didn't contribute much when he did play by any metric you care to name.

His regular season was fine, but not stellar, and certainly not worth his asking price. We might lose the odd game to a Sacramento or a Detroit that we wouldn't have otherwise, but I suspect that'll be the only tangible difference.

This is where I disagree.  Tatum and Brown will be better then last year with the way they work.  It's insane to think about but both have not hit their ceilings yet.  We lost scoring with Hayward but not his D.  Romeo may be a better defender at this point then Hayward is because of his injuries.  With Kemba, Smart, Tatum and Brown the C's have scoring.  They got better on D and rebounding with the addition of TT.  They are going to have much better backup PG play with Teague.  I hope Nesmith can contribute like Herro did for Miami but the C's need a scorer off the bench.  That's about it but the team will definitely be better.  I loved Hayward but he didn't fit in with the offense and it was sometimes forced.  His 17 shots a game will be spread out between Brown, Tatum and Kemba. 

Shots per game.  Gordon took 14 per game.  Those shots will be given to the below three.  Gordon's production can be picked up by our current players.  I'm not worried about that.  The bench needs to produce and that's where the team needs another player to take the leap and be scary good.

Kemba - 18
Tatum - 20
Brpwn - 17

[Kernewek]

That's certainly a realistic possibility, too 

[pp34isthe1]

via the Indy Star Insider

The Indiana Pacers offered the Boston Celtics Myles Turner, a first-round pick and a rotation player for Gordon Hayward last week, a source with knowledge of the negotiations told IndyStar.

“We pursued as hard as we possibly could,” Pacers president Kevin Pritchard said about Hayward via Zoom call with media Wednesday. “If you can add a player that materially improves you, you have to take a shot. ... It hurt a little bit more this time because the feedback was he wanted to be here. We were probably overpaying in the trade but we were willing to try to get a special player. It can't come at a cost that's so debilitating that it doesn't make sense."

The deal fell apart because the Pacers wouldn’t include a second starter instead of a bench player, a source with knowledge of the negotiations said. The Pacers didn’t have any cap space, so it was the only way to consummate the deal.

Celtics president Danny Ainge had his bluff called, but not by the Pacers. The Charlotte Hornets signed the deal to give Hayward $120 million over 4 years and then Ainge wanted to go back to Indiana to negotiate in “good faith” with Indiana.

It was Hayward’s agent, Mark Bartelstein, who pulled the plug on it. Hayward was heading to Charlotte.

If this is true, it looks like Charlotte signed Hayward and the Danny had an "oh crap" moment, went back to Indy to renegotiate only to have Bartelstein tell him it aint happening.


Looks like Danny thought he had more leverage than he did on Hayward and thought forsure he was going home, Haywards agent probably pushed that to get Charlotte to push up his offer.


I  know alot of people on here are not big on Turner but he is really good. I live in Indiana and have been to many Pacers games, its a big difference when he is out there vs on the bench. I will say though, on some nights he looked like he was just going through the motions.

Really think DA missed out on a good chance and that Turner and Mcdermont would have thrived under Brad.

[NKY fan]

via the Indy Star Insider

The Indiana Pacers offered the Boston Celtics Myles Turner, a first-round pick and a rotation player for Gordon Hayward last week, a source with knowledge of the negotiations told IndyStar.

“We pursued as hard as we possibly could,” Pacers president Kevin Pritchard said about Hayward via Zoom call with media Wednesday. “If you can add a player that materially improves you, you have to take a shot. ... It hurt a little bit more this time because the feedback was he wanted to be here. We were probably overpaying in the trade but we were willing to try to get a special player. It can't come at a cost that's so debilitating that it doesn't make sense."

The deal fell apart because the Pacers wouldn’t include a second starter instead of a bench player, a source with knowledge of the negotiations said. The Pacers didn’t have any cap space, so it was the only way to consummate the deal.

Celtics president Danny Ainge had his bluff called, but not by the Pacers. The Charlotte Hornets signed the deal to give Hayward $120 million over 4 years and then Ainge wanted to go back to Indiana to negotiate in “good faith” with Indiana.

It was Hayward’s agent, Mark Bartelstein, who pulled the plug on it. Hayward was heading to Charlotte.

If this is true, it looks like Charlotte signed Hayward and the Danny had an "oh crap" moment, went back to Indy to renegotiate only to have Bartelstein tell him it aint happening.


Looks like Danny thought he had more leverage than he did on Hayward and thought forsure he was going home, Haywards agent probably pushed that to get Charlotte to push up his offer.


I  know alot of people on here are not big on Turner but he is really good. I live in Indiana and have been to many Pacers games, its a big difference when he is out there vs on the bench. I will say though, on some nights he looked like he was just going through the motions.

Really think DA missed out on a good chance and that Turner and Mcdermont would have thrived under Brad.

Nice! I love going to the bankers life arena on Friday nights... also doing immature things at the bars after a pacers game lol.
I think Danny messed up this time by over estimating his leverage and underestimating Charlotte. I believe he would have run with the turner plus a Filler plus a first rounder if he even had a slight suspicion what Jordan is capable of offering to Hayward ...
Anyway the lengths to which half the people on here go to defend Danny and trash turner and Indy reminds me of QAnon supporters and Trump... it’s like a cult.

[jambr380]

Nice! I love going to the bankers life arena on Friday nights... also doing immature things at the bars after a pacers game lol.
I think Danny messed up this time by over estimating his leverage and underestimating Charlotte. I believe he would have run with the turner plus a Filler plus a first rounder if he even had a slight suspicion what Jordan is capable of offering to Hayward ...
Anyway the lengths to which half the people on here go to defend Danny and trash turner and Indy reminds me of QAnon supporters and Trump... it’s like a cult.

I think it's more that people don't really care either way. Turner, McD, and a late 1st OR TT and a TPE - Six in one, half a dozen in the other.

If the deal could have been Turner, Holiday, and a 1st, then that is probably a little better. You get your Thompson/Teague replacement, get an extra 1st, and possibly a few million to spend on a FA before going into the tax. We honestly have to see what happens with the TPE first, though.

Perhaps Danny got hustled by CHA - oh well. It's not like he messed around and lost Tatum. Turner is probably technically more talented, but for what we need for this team, Thompson is arguably better at half the cost. Calling people QAnon Trump supporters because they are still supporting Ainge after we might have lost out on a deal that was only marginally better seems like a waste of that insult. There are way better instances for that and it is just going to get overplayed if you use it in every instance like this.

[NKY fan]

Nice! I love going to the bankers life arena on Friday nights... also doing immature things at the bars after a pacers game lol.
I think Danny messed up this time by over estimating his leverage and underestimating Charlotte. I believe he would have run with the turner plus a Filler plus a first rounder if he even had a slight suspicion what Jordan is capable of offering to Hayward ...
Anyway the lengths to which half the people on here go to defend Danny and trash turner and Indy reminds me of QAnon supporters and Trump... it’s like a cult.

I think it's more that people don't really care either way. Turner, McD, and a late 1st OR TT and a TPE - Six in one, half a dozen in the other.

If the deal could have been Turner, Holiday, and a 1st, then that is probably a little better. You get your Thompson/Teague replacement, get an extra 1st, and possibly a few million to spend on a FA before going into the tax. We honestly have to see what happens with the TPE first, though.

Perhaps Danny got hustled by CHA - oh well. It's not like he messed around and lost Tatum. Turner is probably technically more talented, but for what we need for this team, Thompson is arguably better at half the cost. Calling people QAnon Trump supporters because they are still supporting Ainge after we might have lost out on a deal that was only marginally better seems like a waste of that insult. There are way better instances for that and it is just going to get overplayed if you use it in every instance like this.

I didn’t call them QAnon supporter just that they remind me of them.. by the way sports ... sports fan bases and competitiveness all combined can trigger some of the worst displays of tribalism in modern societies..

[wdleehi]

I look at all these reports and the one thing I don't see (that others seem to see) was the Celtics wanted Turner.


It still looks to me that the Celtics would take Turner if and only if they thought the other parts of the trade would help them. 

[ChillyWilly]

Nice! I love going to the bankers life arena on Friday nights... also doing immature things at the bars after a pacers game lol.
I think Danny messed up this time by over estimating his leverage and underestimating Charlotte. I believe he would have run with the turner plus a Filler plus a first rounder if he even had a slight suspicion what Jordan is capable of offering to Hayward ...
Anyway the lengths to which half the people on here go to defend Danny and trash turner and Indy reminds me of QAnon supporters and Trump... it’s like a cult.

I think it's more that people don't really care either way. Turner, McD, and a late 1st OR TT and a TPE - Six in one, half a dozen in the other.

If the deal could have been Turner, Holiday, and a 1st, then that is probably a little better. You get your Thompson/Teague replacement, get an extra 1st, and possibly a few million to spend on a FA before going into the tax. We honestly have to see what happens with the TPE first, though.

Perhaps Danny got hustled by CHA - oh well. It's not like he messed around and lost Tatum. Turner is probably technically more talented, but for what we need for this team, Thompson is arguably better at half the cost. Calling people QAnon Trump supporters because they are still supporting Ainge after we might have lost out on a deal that was only marginally better seems like a waste of that insult. There are way better instances for that and it is just going to get overplayed if you use it in every instance like this.

I didn’t call them QAnon supporter just that they remind me of them.. by the way sports ... sports fan bases and competitiveness all combined can trigger some of the worst displays of tribalism in modern societies..

You totally don't fit that description 

[knuckleballer]

I look at all these reports and the one thing I don't see (that others seem to see) was the Celtics wanted Turner.


It still looks to me that the Celtics would take Turner if and only if they thought the other parts of the trade would help them.

I agree with this.  It sounds like Danny liked Thompson at $9.5m more than Turner at $18m.  That surprised me, but there are reports that GMs throughout the league do not think highly of Turner. 

[NKY fan]

I look at all these reports and the one thing I don't see (that others seem to see) was the Celtics wanted Turner.


It still looks to me that the Celtics would take Turner if and only if they thought the other parts of the trade would help them.

I agree with this.  It sounds like Danny liked Thompson at $9.5m more than Turner at $18m.  That surprised me, but there are reports that GMs throughout the league do not think highly of Turner.

Even if we assume that Danny’s grand plan this off-season was to lure Thompson with the MLE.... you would have to think that a team like the Knicks or the Hornets would have taken Turner plus McDermott into cap space for free and we would have been left with a $27m exception plus a future first round pick... now at best we can get a TPE but will have to give hornets a draft pick or two... beautiful!

[knuckleballer]

I look at all these reports and the one thing I don't see (that others seem to see) was the Celtics wanted Turner.


It still looks to me that the Celtics would take Turner if and only if they thought the other parts of the trade would help them.

I agree with this.  It sounds like Danny liked Thompson at $9.5m more than Turner at $18m.  That surprised me, but there are reports that GMs throughout the league do not think highly of Turner.

Even if we assume that Danny’s grand plan this off-season was to lure Thompson with the MLE.... you would have to think that a team like the Knicks or the Hornets would have taken Turner plus McDermott into cap space for free and we would have been left with a $27m exception plus a future first round pick... now at best we can get a TPE but will have to give hornets a draft pick or two... beautiful!

There is a whole lot of speculation there.  If the Knicks want Turner, they could get him.  It doesn’t sound like NBA teams value him much.

[hpantazo]

I look at all these reports and the one thing I don't see (that others seem to see) was the Celtics wanted Turner.


It still looks to me that the Celtics would take Turner if and only if they thought the other parts of the trade would help them.

I agree with this.  It sounds like Danny liked Thompson at $9.5m more than Turner at $18m.  That surprised me, but there are reports that GMs throughout the league do not think highly of Turner.

Even if we assume that Danny’s grand plan this off-season was to lure Thompson with the MLE.... you would have to think that a team like the Knicks or the Hornets would have taken Turner plus McDermott into cap space for free and we would have been left with a $27m exception plus a future first round pick... now at best we can get a TPE but will have to give hornets a draft pick or two... beautiful!

You can't assume that though. Reportedly Ainge called around the league to check on Turner's value as an asset and was disappointed. If he thought he could get something reasonable for him he would have gone ahead with the trade.

Time will tell. Let's see what Indy eventually gets for Turner. They damaged his value themselves by leaking these reports that the Celtics weren't willing to take him on even for a future 1st.