Pacers GM throw shade at Ainge after failed trade

[Tr1boy]

Ok so if we assume that turner and McDermott could have been rerouted to a third team for a lightly protected first and second we would have had the picks plus a $25m tpe.
Now we have neither. I understand Pritchard being ticked off by Danny. I assume Danny thought he negotiated from a position of strength so he was thought a lesson.
I also hope this shows Danny’s fanboys on here that he is quite often delusional in trade negotiations

It didn’t really have anything to do with Danny in the end. Gordon got paid more and took the money. Regardless of what Danny offered or didn’t, Hayward would still be a hornet.

What don’t people get about this?

Because GH wanted to be a Pacer

I read that he was willing to take a small paycut

Pacers could not fit him in without a trade

Danny didnt want Turner as the main piece

No trade

[tazzmaniac]

It seems like Danny overplayed his hand.  I've read Charlotte offered Harrell a bigger deal than what he got from the Lakers.  When Harrell took the Lakers offer, Charlotte then increased their offer to Hayward up to 4yr/120M. 

[mef730]

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/pacers-gm-had-some-candid-comments-about-failed-gordon-hayward-trade

Pritchard confirmed he discussed a potential deal with Boston, but from his vantage point, Danny Ainge and Co. asked for too much.

"If you can add a player that materially improves you, you have to take a shot," Pritchard said, via J. Michael. " ... It hurt a little more this time (because) the feedback was he wanted to be here. We were probably overplaying in the trade but we were trying to get a special player."

You rarely hear GMs or execs talk in detail regarding transactions/failed transactions

Danny is greedy. What else is new.  But he is also clever

Sounds like the Pacers gm is bitter and not happy with Ainge/failed transaction

Cant blame Ainge if Turner was not the main piece he wanted back

It's gotta be a misquote. Substitute "overpaying" for "overplaying" and it makes a lot more sense.

Mike

[Tr1boy]

It seems like Danny overplayed his hand.  I've read Charlotte offered Harrell a bigger deal than what he got from the Lakers.  When Harrell took the Lakers offer, Charlotte then increased their offer to Hayward up to 4yr/120M.

Sounds about right. And then GH got fed up between Prichard vs Danny squabble, went his own way

[hpantazo]

Ok so if we assume that turner and McDermott could have been rerouted to a third team for a lightly protected first and second we would have had the picks plus a $25m tpe.
Now we have neither. I understand Pritchard being ticked off by Danny. I assume Danny thought he negotiated from a position of strength so he was thought a lesson.
I also hope this shows Danny’s fanboys on here that he is quite often delusional in trade negotiations

Perhaps Danny tried to gauge interest from a third team ... no bite/interest at this time

If the Pacers could get a 1st for Turner and McDermott they would have moved them a long time ago.

[byennie]

Sour grapes. Thankfully, Danny Ainge knows that "fair" has nothing to do with trades. You make the best move for your team, and anything less is not worth doing.

Signing TT and Teague was MORE desirable than trading for Myles Turner at $18M / year, and on top of that, it's apparent that other teams didn't want to give up much to flip Turner.

Indiana is mad about the reality that they couldn't trade their bench player signed to a large contract, for a guy getting $100M+ on the open market? That they might have had to add *1 year* of Oladipo to get it done? Meh. Life ain't fair.

[PAOBoston]

Ok so if we assume that turner and McDermott could have been rerouted to a third team for a lightly protected first and second we would have had the picks plus a $25m tpe.
Now we have neither. I understand Pritchard being ticked off by Danny. I assume Danny thought he negotiated from a position of strength so he was thought a lesson.
I also hope this shows Danny’s fanboys on here that he is quite often delusional in trade negotiations

It didn’t really have anything to do with Danny in the end. Gordon got paid more and took the money. Regardless of what Danny offered or didn’t, Hayward would still be a hornet.

What don’t people get about this?

Because GH wanted to be a Pacer

I read that he was willing to take a small paycut

Pacers could not fit him in without a trade

Danny didnt want Turner as the main piece

No trade

Sounds pretty accurate.

That’s being said, sounds like Pritchard is also putting on a little spin there of his own. I think there’s a little bit of truths from all sides but he sounds a little bitter Ainge wouldn’t just take his deal. I’d say that’s a big blow either way to the Pacers since in a year they might legit be a rebuilding team.

[gouki88]

Yeah, nah. Suck it Indy

[pearljammer10]

Ok so if we assume that turner and McDermott could have been rerouted to a third team for a lightly protected first and second we would have had the picks plus a $25m tpe.
Now we have neither. I understand Pritchard being ticked off by Danny. I assume Danny thought he negotiated from a position of strength so he was thought a lesson.
I also hope this shows Danny’s fanboys on here that he is quite often delusional in trade negotiations

It didn’t really have anything to do with Danny in the end. Gordon got paid more and took the money. Regardless of what Danny offered or didn’t, Hayward would still be a hornet.

What don’t people get about this?

Because GH wanted to be a Pacer

I read that he was willing to take a small paycut

Pacers could not fit him in without a trade

Danny didnt want Turner as the main piece

No trade

He wanted to go to Charlotte originally in 2014 when he signed the offer sheet.

He wanted to be a Pacer (according to the media anyway) and then when they didn’t give him the money he wanted, and Charlotte did, he chose Charlotte.

So yes Danny was probably playing hardball, and I don’t blame him for doing so. In the end, it’s still Hayward’s decision. Hayward choosing the money with Charlotte isn’t entirely Danny’s fault.

If anything I blame Pritchard and Indiana more if the reports were true.

[footey]

In re-reading Gary Washburn tweet:

https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1329919724919156738?s=20

I originally thought it meant that Danny wanted Turner plus either Warren or Oladipo.  But that makes no sense, since we couldn't have taken back both Turner and Oladipo, contract-wise.  So did it really mean Danny wanted either Turner plus Warren, or he wanted Oladipo?  The tweet was confusing.  And from later reports, inaccurate inasmuch as apparently Danny had no interest in Turner (unless he was packaged with Warren??).

So would Danny have just taken one year of Oladipo? No one seems to mention this option.

[jambr380]

If the Cs were going to go into the tax, it sure as heck wasn't going to be for Turner and McDermott. That's why Danny wanted more in return.

If this TPE goes through with CHA, I am more than happy with the decision. Hayward gets more money, we get better, cheaper assets, and Indy gets...nothing.

Sometimes people regret the decisions they made in the heat of the moment. It's pretty clear Pritchard is feeling the aftermath of not trading for Gordon Hayward.

[feckless]

In re-reading Gary Washburn tweet:

https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1329919724919156738?s=20

I originally thought it meant that Danny wanted Turner plus either Warren or Oladipo.  But that makes no sense, since we couldn't have taken back both Turner and Oladipo, contract-wise.  So did it really mean Danny wanted either Turner plus Warren, or he wanted Oladipo?  The tweet was confusing.  And from later reports, inaccurate inasmuch as apparently Danny had no interest in Turner (unless he was packaged with Warren??).

So would Danny have just taken one year of Oladipo? No one seems to mention this option.

 

Yes that's the way i read it also.  Turner and Warren OR Oladipo makes the most sense.

[hpantazo]

Wow, the Pacers front office must be really p---ed. They keep putting out these attacks insinuating the Celtics botched a great offer by asking for too much:

https://twitter.com/ThisIsJMichael/status/1331766667819556865


I credit Ainge for not hampering our team by paying Turner and McDermott for another late 1st that we really do not need.

Stay classy Indy. Gordon took more money than you were offering him. If you really wanted him you would have matched the contract offer and would have sent the Celtics something worth considering.

[NKY fan]

If the Cs were going to go into the tax, it sure as heck wasn't going to be for Turner and McDermott. That's why Danny wanted more in return.

If this TPE goes through with CHA, I am more than happy with the decision. Hayward gets more money, we get better, cheaper assets, and Indy gets...nothing.

Sometimes people regret the decisions they made in the heat of the moment. It's pretty clear Pritchard is feeling the aftermath of not trading for Gordon Hayward.

We wouldn’t be in the tax after Kanter and Poirier were moved. Also why so many on here assume we are better with Thompson and Teague minus a second rounder versus Turner and Mac dermott ?
It’s debatable but it’s not obvious which option makes our team better

[hpantazo]

If the Cs were going to go into the tax, it sure as heck wasn't going to be for Turner and McDermott. That's why Danny wanted more in return.

If this TPE goes through with CHA, I am more than happy with the decision. Hayward gets more money, we get better, cheaper assets, and Indy gets...nothing.

Sometimes people regret the decisions they made in the heat of the moment. It's pretty clear Pritchard is feeling the aftermath of not trading for Gordon Hayward.

We wouldn’t be in the tax after Kanter and Poirier were moved. Also why so many on here assume we are better with Thompson and Teague minus a second rounder versus Turner and Mac dermott ?
It’s debatable but it’s not obvious which option makes our team better

Because Turner and McDermott are poor defenders who would end up sitting on the bench under Stevens after the first month of the season.