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Re: Tristan Thompson signing with Cs
« Reply #255 on: December 03, 2020, 09:56:55 PM »

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Didn't it seem like Thompson was destined to sign with the Lakers and Lebron James this off-season? Don't you think he would have if Harrell hadn't signed there?

I seriously wonder if Thompson will bring a major chip on his shoulder into the season, especially going against the Lakers.

Goes to show you that Lebron doesn't have all the power with the Lakers like he did back with the Cavs

No itís just that him and his agent have made up 75% of the Lakers as Clutch Sports clients 🙄

Lebron is absolutely running the show in LA.

You sure?  I think its up to a limit.

If Lebron had such control, explain why they didn't bring in his boy Thompson.  They had the money and instead signed Harrell

I mean, I think he would be a Laker right now if Lebron really only wanted his guys. Getting Harrell not only makes a rival weaker but Harrell is a much more productive offensive player.

but he is a mediocre defender in the playoffs. He was benched in 2nd half of games vs the Nuggets for a reason
yeah because he couldn't guard a massively stronger and bigger player that just happens to be elite.  That was much more about the Clippers terrible roster construction than anything else.  Harrell would have been fine if he was guarding someone like Millsap, but he couldn't handle Jokic.  That will be much less an issue for the Lakers where Harrell will be on the floor with a legit 7 foot elite defender basically at all times (either Davis or Gasol).

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why couldn't the Clippers play Zubac and Harrell?

Even if Jokic is bigger, Harrell lacked "fight". No clutch offensive rebounds. No boxing out harder to get inside position

He was just roaming out on the perimeter on the offensive end. Can't even shoot the 3 very well

On defense he would let Jokic do whatever he wanted. He didn't really go up to his face to bother him.  He was guarding him in no mans land. Jokic will torch you then
because Zubac isn't good enough to play much against good teams and then they can't have PG or Kawhi on the floor since they can't really play SG.  It was a Clippers roster problem, the Lakers don't have that problem.

I wonder why you're blaming Zubac when he was the only big who was capable of defending Jokic. Given how slow and ineffective Gasol looked against the Celtics, what makes you think that he's good enough to fill the void Dwight will leave. Besides Harell may be better on offense than Thompson but he's worse on defense based on his performance in the playoffs.
I wasn't.  I was just pointing out facts.  Neither Zubac or Harrell could effectively guard Jokic, but that is all the Clippers had available to try and they couldn't really play them together because they don't fit and then you have to take Kawhi or George off the floor.

The simple reality is the Clippers had a big time roster flaw and they had it all year.  They had enough talent to get by in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.  Ibaka is a better fit for them than Harrell was, so I think they will be better next year, but they also still have a terrible backcourt and not much size (Zubac and Ibaka are it).  Frankly, they have many of the same issues the C's have in the front court and also having their two best players both being natural SF's.  When crunch time comes against great teams, you are always going to have at least 1 guy playing out of position, and that is problematic long term.

I'e never understood this logic.

Whenever there is a mismatch, it goes both ways. One player is bigger and one is smaller. Who wins depends on who is better at taking advantage. A smaller guy can absolutely win a matchup. Kawhi Leonard found a way to outplay Giannis a couple of years ago. Its about being able to make plays under pressure. Even if you are playing a better player, you find a way to be a problem and do what you can.

Harrell failed because he got outcompeted. Jokic is slower. Harrell had a physical advantage too, and he couldn't find a way to exploit it.

The C's have Jaylen and Marcus. They can cover almost anyone, and they won't pout if they get beat once or twice. Its an advantage because they are better at mismatches than almost anyone else in the league. That's why they are so valuable.
It doesn't necessarily go both ways.  Depends on the skill sets.  I mean Davis is quick enough that he can guard George fairly well, but PG can't guard AD in the post.  Yet they are both PF's for their teams.  That is what I mean.  The Clippers have a poorly constructed roster, though Ibaka does improve upon the low post deficiencies they had last year.  They still have issues down low, but not as many. And Ibaka can actually play with both Zubac and George, unlike Harrell who really couldn't play with Zubac at all.  Those two were not a good match skill set wise.   That is why I think Harrell will do better with the Lakers as I think his skill set fits much better with Gasol and Davis then he did with Zubac and George providing more roster fluidity and match-up tinkering.  For all the love that James and Davis got (mostly deserved), the Lakers were able to win the title so easily because they had a really deep team that allowed them to play situational basketball better than anyone else and I think they've actually gotten better in that regard.  The Lakers are justifiably heavy favorites to repeat and adding Harrell is a reason why as he provides some much needed scoring pop to their bench.

I'm not sure if Harrell will be a great fit, the loss of Dwight and Rondo will no doubt hurt. Besides Gasol looked slow against the Celtics and is only getting older. The Lakers would've been best served to add Ibaka for spacing.
since Gasol really started taking 3's he has been a better and more consistent 3 point shooter than Ibaka.  So they got the correct guy for spacing. Gasol is also a significantly better passer.
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that the guy with the lower career 3 point percentage is the better 3 point shooter.  They are pretty much equal as floor spacers.  Gasol looked very slow and out of shape in the bubble.  You could see his gut through his jersey and his arms were flabby.  I'm guessing he will be in much better shape next season and will be quicker than he was in the bubble.
So since the 2017 season these are their 3 PT%

Gasol
38.8
34.1
36.3
38.5

Total last 4 seasons 36.6% on 1009 attempts with a range of only 4.7%

Ibaka
39.1
36.0
29.0
38.5

Total last 4 years 36.3% on 965 attempts, but a range of 10.1%

So Gasol is hitting at a slightly better rate, has been more consistent in his percentages, and in addition he is taking more than Ibaka over that time period. 

Thus, since Gasol started regularly taking 3 pointers he is in fact the better 3 point shooter.
Yeah, or consider the 29% year a fluke year like I do, subtract it, and Ibaka is much better than Gasol.

I don't know.  If you edit out Ibaka's worst year (he probably was injured or something) why not filter out Gasol's worst year too?  His "bad" year was about 34% vs. Ibaka's bad year at 29%.  Do that and the average of remaining 3 seasons is about dead on equal with remarkably similar volume of shots.  I don't think these numbers lead to a conclusion that Ibaka is a better 3pt shooter than Gasol.

If you watched a lot of the games, maybe Ibaka's shots were more contested or more clutch, numbers don't always tell the whole story.  I admit that and I am actually in general a big skeptic of looking only at numbers.  But if you do look just at these numbers, it is not possible to conclude that they say Ibaka is a better 3pt shooter than Gasol.
I don't really think that Ibaka is better, I think they are pretty equal as 3 point shooters.  I was just disputing Moranis claiming that Gasol is the better 3 point option despite Ibaka having the higher career percentage.
All I said was that since Gasol really started taking a lot of 3's he has been better and most consistent.  The numbers 100% support that claim making it a fact.  I didn't say he was significantly better or anything, but Gasol has in fact been the better and more consistent 3 point shooter the last 4 seasons.  I mean Gasol was 12 of 66 his first 8 years in the league, that is the only reason his career percentage isn't better than Ibaka's as since then Gasol is 36.5% which is better than Ibaka's 36% career average. 
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Re: Tristan Thompson signing with Cs
« Reply #256 on: December 04, 2020, 11:52:28 PM »

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Re: Tristan Thompson signing with Cs
« Reply #258 on: December 05, 2020, 08:56:26 AM »

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« Reply #259 on: December 05, 2020, 09:36:03 AM »

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The Tweet makes no sense.  Did he mean to say "not going to rest until..."
Had a daytime workout, clocked off for the afternoon to settle in and watch the Cs? Maybe?
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Re: Tristan Thompson signing with Cs
« Reply #260 on: December 05, 2020, 10:10:10 AM »

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The Tweet makes no sense.  Did he mean to say "not going to rest until..."
Had a daytime workout, clocked off for the afternoon to settle in and watch the Cs? Maybe?

He also used there instead of their. Lol

I do love his enthusiasm though.   Iím excited to have him on our side.

Re: Tristan Thompson signing with Cs
« Reply #261 on: December 05, 2020, 10:42:08 AM »

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  I think Gasol is cooked. He was constantly stiff arming Celts in that series almost as a way of pushing himself off to move In different directions. Iím not to concerned about Gasolís Iím court performance. Just a really mature, great locker room, unselfish guy that will be a lot of value in that department. Another big brain in the bench after losing Rondo. Players know heís not out to get his, too. So guys will listen.

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« Reply #262 on: December 05, 2020, 12:39:08 PM »

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  I think Gasol is cooked. He was constantly stiff arming Celts in that series almost as a way of pushing himself off to move In different directions. Iím not to concerned about Gasolís Iím court performance. Just a really mature, great locker room, unselfish guy that will be a lot of value in that department. Another big brain in the bench after losing Rondo. Players know heís not out to get his, too. So guys will listen.

Among the reasons for 2020 being the worst in my lifetime is the Lakers win.  Of course it was a minor addition given all the misery of this year.  I can only hope that 2021 is the full opposite of 2020.  Gasol has had a fine career -- much better than initially expected, and I hope it's not too self-centered as a Celts fan to hope that what we saw last year in the playoffs was evidence that he will no longer contribute much on the court. 

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If Perk hadn't blown out his knee they would have won it that year.  He knew  ;D

Celts just blew it. They had the game in the bag


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If Perk hadn't blown out his knee they would have won it that year.  He knew  ;D

Celts just blew it. They had the game in the bag

The Celts got screwed because the refs started calling ticky  tack fouls in the fourth quarter.

The Lakers had 53 points through three quarters.  They scored 30 in the 4th.  The Lakers had drawn 13 fouls through three quarters.  They drew 12 in the fourth.
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Re: Tristan Thompson signing with Cs
« Reply #266 on: December 05, 2020, 09:31:50 PM »

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Finally got around to listening to his intro zoom press conference. Was interesting to hear him say Ainge was first to reach out to him at start of FA and that JB/JT reached out to him. It sounds like Cs really wanted this guy.

I know Theis played great last year but getting the sense that TT didnít come here to come off the bench. Once healthy and up to speed, think heís the starter at the big man spot.

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Re: Tristan Thompson signing with Cs
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If Perk hadn't blown out his knee they would have won it that year.  He knew  ;D

Celts just blew it. They had the game in the bag

The Celts got screwed because the refs started calling ticky  tack fouls in the fourth quarter.

The Lakers had 53 points through three quarters.  They scored 30 in the 4th.  The Lakers had drawn 13 fouls through three quarters.  They drew 12 in the fourth.

THAT was a rigged 4th quarter/quick off the ball whistles right from the start, to get C's in the penalty...called completely different from the first 3 quarters.
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