Trade Idea with Hawks

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I know this idea has been talked about multiple times, but I like it a lot more now with OKC's recent trades, because if we could come up with the salary matching, I think Adams is available for a reasonable price like a late first round pick and a prospect.

Collins and 6 for Hayward, 14, and 30.

1. John Collins is a good forward scorer with some untapped defensive potential.
2. This trade also generates a trade exception large enough to receive Steven Adams. We could trade 27 and Robert Williams and Poirier for him.
3. This trade moves us far enough under the luxury tax line to be able to offer a full MLE to someone. I'd love Joe Harris or Davis Bertans. Others like Gallinari.
4. This trade moves us up in the draft to get a young guard like Hayes, Haliburton, etc.

That's a lot of value to move Gordon Hayward. I like Hayward a lot. I'd rather keep him if we can, but that's four rotation players for the price of one.

Starters: Walker-Smart-Brown-Tatum-Adams
Bench: Harris-Collins-Theis-Hayes-Kanter-Edwards--Williams-Wanamaker-Langford

That's immediately one of the deepest teams in the NBA. This puts a lot of pressure on Walker and Tatum to be the playmakers out there. It also opens up some playmaking opportunity for Jaylen Brown.

[Roy H.]

The Hawks have had trade conversations with several teams for this pick, including the Pelicans (for Jrue Holiday, but that ship has sailed), the Timberwolves (for no. 17 and Jarrett Culver), and the Celtics (for their three first-round picks), according to league sources. – via nbadraft.theringer.com

[keevsnick]

The Hawks have had trade conversations with several teams for this pick, including the Pelicans (for Jrue Holiday, but that ship has sailed), the Timberwolves (for no. 17 and Jarrett Culver), and the Celtics (for their three first-round picks), according to league sources. – via nbadraft.theringer.com

If I'm the hawks I think i may legitimately prefer 14+26+30 to 17+culver. Culver was BAD last year.

[ChillyWilly]

Why would Atlanta want 3 more young players? I thought they were aiming for playoff this season and adding Vets around their young core.

[wdleehi]

Why would Atlanta want 3 more young players? I thought they were aiming for playoff this season and adding Vets around their young core.

They see multiple rookies that could help the team make the playoffs better then just one? 

[Ilikesports17]

I know this idea has been talked about multiple times, but I like it a lot more now with OKC's recent trades, because if we could come up with the salary matching, I think Adams is available for a reasonable price like a late first round pick and a prospect.

Collins and 6 for Hayward, 14, and 30.

1. John Collins is a good forward scorer with some untapped defensive potential.
2. This trade also generates a trade exception large enough to receive Steven Adams. We could trade 27 and Robert Williams and Poirier for him.
3. This trade moves us far enough under the luxury tax line to be able to offer a full MLE to someone. I'd love Joe Harris or Davis Bertans. Others like Gallinari.
4. This trade moves us up in the draft to get a young guard like Hayes, Haliburton, etc.

That's a lot of value to move Gordon Hayward. I like Hayward a lot. I'd rather keep him if we can, but that's four rotation players for the price of one.

Starters: Walker-Smart-Brown-Tatum-Adams
Bench: Harris-Collins-Theis-Hayes-Kanter-Edwards--Williams-Wanamaker-Langford

That's immediately one of the deepest teams in the NBA. This puts a lot of pressure on Walker and Tatum to be the playmakers out there. It also opens up some playmaking opportunity for Jaylen Brown.

You’d probably have to cut 6 from the deal to get it done.

There’s plenty to love about Collins. Great run runner. Can shoot it. Perfect fit on Jays timeline.

But plenty of reason to be concerned. He doesn’t defend. At all. Can’t guard the perimeter, protect the rim or defend the post.

[Evantime34]

The Hawks have had trade conversations with several teams for this pick, including the Pelicans (for Jrue Holiday, but that ship has sailed), the Timberwolves (for no. 17 and Jarrett Culver), and the Celtics (for their three first-round picks), according to league sources. – via nbadraft.theringer.com

It seems like we are offering that package to every team from 4 to 9. I think one team is going to take them up on their offer, given there aren't that many teams trying to trade up.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I know this idea has been talked about multiple times, but I like it a lot more now with OKC's recent trades, because if we could come up with the salary matching, I think Adams is available for a reasonable price like a late first round pick and a prospect.

Collins and 6 for Hayward, 14, and 30.

1. John Collins is a good forward scorer with some untapped defensive potential.
2. This trade also generates a trade exception large enough to receive Steven Adams. We could trade 27 and Robert Williams and Poirier for him.
3. This trade moves us far enough under the luxury tax line to be able to offer a full MLE to someone. I'd love Joe Harris or Davis Bertans. Others like Gallinari.
4. This trade moves us up in the draft to get a young guard like Hayes, Haliburton, etc.

That's a lot of value to move Gordon Hayward. I like Hayward a lot. I'd rather keep him if we can, but that's four rotation players for the price of one.

Starters: Walker-Smart-Brown-Tatum-Adams
Bench: Harris-Collins-Theis-Hayes-Kanter-Edwards--Williams-Wanamaker-Langford

That's immediately one of the deepest teams in the NBA. This puts a lot of pressure on Walker and Tatum to be the playmakers out there. It also opens up some playmaking opportunity for Jaylen Brown.

You’d probably have to cut 6 from the deal to get it done.

There’s plenty to love about Collins. Great run runner. Can shoot it. Perfect fit on Jays timeline.

But plenty of reason to be concerned. He doesn’t defend. At all. Can’t guard the perimeter, protect the rim or defend the post.

I think that's right about the right value for him. He's probably not quite as valuable as Hayward. Many have already established that 14 and 30 isn't quite enough to move up to 6, but is close. Seems pretty fair.

I agree on Collins. I think there is some untapped defensive potential there, but he is a flawed player. To me, he's in the same category as Kyle Kuzma. On a winning team, he isn't anywhere close to a 20ppg scorer, and I'm not sure he's a good enough defender to rely on for big minutes in the playoffs.

But as a rotation player in a system with other good players, he could be a valuable piece.

I also think that getting a dynamic finisher/scorer like him would take a lot of pressure off of Tatum and Brown in the pick-and-roll. Theis at times is almost a non-factor with that.

[wdleehi]

I would rather the rumored trade where the Celtics are in position to add a higher impact rookie.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I would rather the rumored trade where the Celtics are in position to add a higher impact rookie.

6th pick is a pretty high impact rookie. If you want someone else, you fill in the blank, but this trade lands a high-impact rookie with three other legit playoff rotation players.

[Who]

I would happily trade often broken old man Hayward and picks for John Collins the young up and coming All-Star talent. That is a runaway trade for Boston without the #6 pick. It is a steal. Robbery. Pure robbery.

I would even feel sad for Atlanta that this trade is so one-sided.

[Birdman]

Love to get Collins..he be perfect here

[ball4life67]

I know this idea has been talked about multiple times, but I like it a lot more now with OKC's recent trades, because if we could come up with the salary matching, I think Adams is available for a reasonable price like a late first round pick and a prospect.

Collins and 6 for Hayward, 14, and 30.

1. John Collins is a good forward scorer with some untapped defensive potential.
2. This trade also generates a trade exception large enough to receive Steven Adams. We could trade 27 and Robert Williams and Poirier for him.
3. This trade moves us far enough under the luxury tax line to be able to offer a full MLE to someone. I'd love Joe Harris or Davis Bertans. Others like Gallinari.
4. This trade moves us up in the draft to get a young guard like Hayes, Haliburton, etc.

That's a lot of value to move Gordon Hayward. I like Hayward a lot. I'd rather keep him if we can, but that's four rotation players for the price of one.

Starters: Walker-Smart-Brown-Tatum-Adams
Bench: Harris-Collins-Theis-Hayes-Kanter-Edwards--Williams-Wanamaker-Langford

That's immediately one of the deepest teams in the NBA. This puts a lot of pressure on Walker and Tatum to be the playmakers out there. It also opens up some playmaking opportunity for Jaylen Brown.

You’d probably have to cut 6 from the deal to get it done.

There’s plenty to love about Collins. Great run runner. Can shoot it. Perfect fit on Jays timeline.

But plenty of reason to be concerned. He doesn’t defend. At all. Can’t guard the perimeter, protect the rim or defend the post.

Huh? Collins averaged 1.6 bpg (good for top 15 in the nba) & he can’t protect the rim or defend the post? Also his defensive metrics were solid. They certainly don’t = can’t defend at all.

[PhoSita]

Why would Atlanta trade #6 or John Collins to get Hayward?

Seems too favorable to the Celtics to make sense.

[ball4life67]

I know this idea has been talked about multiple times, but I like it a lot more now with OKC's recent trades, because if we could come up with the salary matching, I think Adams is available for a reasonable price like a late first round pick and a prospect.

Collins and 6 for Hayward, 14, and 30.

1. John Collins is a good forward scorer with some untapped defensive potential.
2. This trade also generates a trade exception large enough to receive Steven Adams. We could trade 27 and Robert Williams and Poirier for him.
3. This trade moves us far enough under the luxury tax line to be able to offer a full MLE to someone. I'd love Joe Harris or Davis Bertans. Others like Gallinari.
4. This trade moves us up in the draft to get a young guard like Hayes, Haliburton, etc.

That's a lot of value to move Gordon Hayward. I like Hayward a lot. I'd rather keep him if we can, but that's four rotation players for the price of one.

Starters: Walker-Smart-Brown-Tatum-Adams
Bench: Harris-Collins-Theis-Hayes-Kanter-Edwards--Williams-Wanamaker-Langford

That's immediately one of the deepest teams in the NBA. This puts a lot of pressure on Walker and Tatum to be the playmakers out there. It also opens up some playmaking opportunity for Jaylen Brown.

You’d probably have to cut 6 from the deal to get it done.

There’s plenty to love about Collins. Great run runner. Can shoot it. Perfect fit on Jays timeline.

But plenty of reason to be concerned. He doesn’t defend. At all. Can’t guard the perimeter, protect the rim or defend the post.

I think that's right about the right value for him. He's probably not quite as valuable as Hayward. Many have already established that 14 and 30 isn't quite enough to move up to 6, but is close. Seems pretty fair.

I agree on Collins. I think there is some untapped defensive potential there, but he is a flawed player. To me, he's in the same category as Kyle Kuzma. On a winning team, he isn't anywhere close to a 20ppg scorer, and I'm not sure he's a good enough defender to rely on for big minutes in the playoffs.

But as a rotation player in a system with other good players, he could be a valuable piece.

I also think that getting a dynamic finisher/scorer like him would take a lot of pressure off of Tatum and Brown in the pick-and-roll. Theis at times is almost a non-factor with that.

Kuzma? Lol You can’t be serious here. Collins put up 20-10 on 58-40-80 (no ones ever done 60-40-80 before) last yr. The one year  Kuzma averaged 19 a game he shot 45% FG and 30% from 3. Was  wondering you had him coming off the bench in your lineup smh