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Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2020, 01:50:06 PM »

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Strange to see a young team that is nowhere near contention give up so much for a PG who is (1) old (2) has a massive contract that restricts the team's ability to make other moves (3) dodgy injury history.

Feels like Phoenix are giving up on building a Championship caliber team before they ever really got started. Settling for good instead of striving for excellence. Selling out their future for the here and now.

What are the odds this deal will hamstring their organization and irritate their franchise player Devin Booker eventually leading to Booker's departure a few years for now? Pretty likely in my eyes.

Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2020, 01:55:45 PM »

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Strange to see a young team that is nowhere near contention give up so much for a PG who is (1) old (2) has a massive contract that restricts the team's ability to make other moves (3) dodgy injury history.

Feels like Phoenix are giving up on building a Championship caliber team before they ever really got started. Settling for good instead of striving for excellence. Selling out their future for the here and now.

What are the odds this deal will hamstring their organization and irritate their franchise player Devin Booker eventually leading to Booker's departure a few years for now? Pretty likely in my eyes.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The deal sends Chris Paul and Abdel Nader to the Suns for Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn

Its not too much if you review it again.  2022 could be a pick in the 20s as Suns are projected to make the playoffs moving forward. Oubre and Rubio are role players at best
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Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2020, 01:55:56 PM »

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Does this increase or decrease Aaron Baynes' likelyhood of re-signing with PHO ... or hitting the FA market?

I know a team that would love to have him ...
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Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2020, 02:08:58 PM »

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Strange to see a young team that is nowhere near contention give up so much for a PG who is (1) old (2) has a massive contract that restricts the team's ability to make other moves (3) dodgy injury history.

Feels like Phoenix are giving up on building a Championship caliber team before they ever really got started. Settling for good instead of striving for excellence. Selling out their future for the here and now.

What are the odds this deal will hamstring their organization and irritate their franchise player Devin Booker eventually leading to Booker's departure a few years for now? Pretty likely in my eyes.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The deal sends Chris Paul and Abdel Nader to the Suns for Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn

Its not too much if you review it again.  2022 could be a pick in the 20s as Suns are projected to make the playoffs moving forward. Oubre and Rubio are role players at best

Rubio is a pretty good starting point guard
Oubre is 24. He averaged 18.7 ppg last year. He's not a bad defender.

They are better than role players. They are pretty decent starters.

Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2020, 02:10:21 PM »

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Strange to see a young team that is nowhere near contention give up so much for a PG who is (1) old (2) has a massive contract that restricts the team's ability to make other moves (3) dodgy injury history.

Feels like Phoenix are giving up on building a Championship caliber team before they ever really got started. Settling for good instead of striving for excellence. Selling out their future for the here and now.

What are the odds this deal will hamstring their organization and irritate their franchise player Devin Booker eventually leading to Booker's departure a few years for now? Pretty likely in my eyes.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The deal sends Chris Paul and Abdel Nader to the Suns for Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn

Its not too much if you review it again.  2022 could be a pick in the 20s as Suns are projected to make the playoffs moving forward. Oubre and Rubio are role players at best

It is 3 good young pieces (two starters and a first round pick) for a team that is still far away from contention and has limited options for improvement now that their new old man PG is clogging up their salary cap.

Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2020, 02:18:47 PM »

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Imagine how devastated we would be if the Cs made a trade like PHX just made. Somehow OKC managed to get solid picks/players in both receiving Paul and sending him out.

Presti is basically playing MyGM in NBA2K right now - trading players for decent players/picks so he can use those players to try to acquire even more picks, until he just has completely undesirable players. Does anybody think that Danny Green, Rubio, and Oubre aren't on the block right now for additional picks? Danny was finally able to move past asset acquisition with his star draft picks and max FA signings. I really can't wait to see what their team looks like in a couple of years.

Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2020, 02:19:13 PM »

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Strange to see a young team that is nowhere near contention give up so much for a PG who is (1) old (2) has a massive contract that restricts the team's ability to make other moves (3) dodgy injury history.

Feels like Phoenix are giving up on building a Championship caliber team before they ever really got started. Settling for good instead of striving for excellence. Selling out their future for the here and now.

What are the odds this deal will hamstring their organization and irritate their franchise player Devin Booker eventually leading to Booker's departure a few years for now? Pretty likely in my eyes.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The deal sends Chris Paul and Abdel Nader to the Suns for Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn

Its not too much if you review it again.  2022 could be a pick in the 20s as Suns are projected to make the playoffs moving forward. Oubre and Rubio are role players at best

It is 3 good young pieces (two starters and a first round pick) for a team that is still far away from contention and has limited options for improvement now that their new old man PG is clogging up their salary cap.

The pick is protected - top 12 for 2022, then top 8 for 2023. So that does alleviate some risk.
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Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2020, 02:24:11 PM »

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Phoenix had one of the weakest benches in the league last season. They were hugely reliant on their starters to compete in games and now just traded away 2 of them.

Can they find two starters and a bench in time before CP3's body breaks down further? Will Booker and (mainly) Ayton be ready for big time playoff games?

Right now they have 2 high quality players in CP3 and Booker and a 3rd player who is very good and showing signs of becoming a high quality player in Ayton.

What else do they have? Who are the other 2 starters? Who is on the bench? What do they have to build a bench in terms of both cap space and trade assets?

Mikal Bridges looks a solid player. He could start at SF for them. Dario Saric is a good bench PF.

Is there anything else on that team besides their 3 main guys?

Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2020, 02:26:41 PM »

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Phoenix had one of the weakest benches in the league last season. They were hugely reliant on their starters to compete in games and now just traded away 2 of them.

Can they find two starters and a bench in time before CP3's body breaks down further? Will Booker and (mainly) Ayton be ready for big time playoff games?

Right now they have 2 high quality players in CP3 and Booker and a 3rd player who is very good and showing signs of becoming a high quality player in Ayton.

What else do they have? Who are the other 2 starters? Who is on the bench? What do they have to build a bench in terms of both cap space and trade assets?

Mikal Bridges looks a solid player. He could start at SF for them. Dario Saric is a good bench PF.

Is there anything else on that team besides their 3 main guys?

You are forgetting Mikael Bridges and Cameron Johnson.   Likely reason it was easier to part with Oubre

Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2020, 02:28:46 PM »

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Strange to see a young team that is nowhere near contention give up so much for a PG who is (1) old (2) has a massive contract that restricts the team's ability to make other moves (3) dodgy injury history.

Feels like Phoenix are giving up on building a Championship caliber team before they ever really got started. Settling for good instead of striving for excellence. Selling out their future for the here and now.

What are the odds this deal will hamstring their organization and irritate their franchise player Devin Booker eventually leading to Booker's departure a few years for now? Pretty likely in my eyes.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The deal sends Chris Paul and Abdel Nader to the Suns for Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN. – via Twitter wojespn

Its not too much if you review it again.  2022 could be a pick in the 20s as Suns are projected to make the playoffs moving forward. Oubre and Rubio are role players at best

Rubio is a pretty good starting point guard
Oubre is 24. He averaged 18.7 ppg last year. He's not a bad defender.

They are better than role players. They are pretty decent starters.
They went 8-0 in the bubble without Oubre though and Bridges looks more than capable as their starting SF going forward.  Not the scorer Oubre is, but a better shooter and a solid defender.  Paul, Booker, Bridges, Saric, and Ayton is a pretty darn good starting 5 and very young aside from Paul.  And they still have Johnson, Kaminsky (theoretically), Okobo, and their draft pick this year on the bench (in addition to whatever other moves they make).  And they only added 8 million to the salary this year and got a massive upgrade at the PG spot.  It is a risk obviously given Paul's age, cut it didn't really cost them all that much.
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Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2020, 03:05:57 PM »

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It's possible that CP3 will end up being the best player to change teams during the off-season. I was kinda hoping we'd swap Kemba (+ Poirier) for CP3. I guess the Thunder wouldn't want Kemba, but it could have been a 3-way trade. Oh well.

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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2020, 03:16:57 PM »

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Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2020, 03:19:35 PM »

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Strange to see a young team that is nowhere near contention give up so much for a PG who is (1) old (2) has a massive contract that restricts the team's ability to make other moves (3) dodgy injury history.

Feels like Phoenix are giving up on building a Championship caliber team before they ever really got started. Settling for good instead of striving for excellence. Selling out their future for the here and now.

What are the odds this deal will hamstring their organization and irritate their franchise player Devin Booker eventually leading to Booker's departure a few years for now? Pretty likely in my eyes.

It's tricky because adding Chris Paul to your team probably makes playing the game way less fun for your star player, which could hurt your ability to retain him in a few years.

On the other hand, continuing to miss the playoffs is also going to hurt your ability to keep your star player.
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Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2020, 03:39:18 PM »

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DeAndre Ayton is probably licking his chops. Gone from a good passing PG to a great one
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Re: Shams: CP3 Traded to PHX
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2020, 03:42:14 PM »

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Excellent trade for OKC.  They've now picked up a couple more 1st and they haven't taken on any salary yet.  Green, Rubio and Oubre could be flipped for more picks.  Strange trade for the Suns and CP.  Acquiring CP might get them in the playoffs but no more.  Pairing up a 35 year old player with a 23 year old playoff makes little sense unless they've got some other big move planned.  Surprised that the Suns were a preferred destination for CP.  Would have thought he'd want to be on a contender.