The Schroeder trade effect

[konkmv]

So the lakers get a decent pg with the only 28th pick
And I am reading that we could get Oladipo or turner or holiday or even westbrooks if we trade all our picks 2 3 guys like smart and hayward or even walker..
Hope the asking prices fall after that

[Jiri Welsch]

Unfortunately it's all relative.

For whatever reason, OKC felt the Lakers' package fit their needs. But if a GM uses two separate teams' agreed-upon trade as leverage in a negotiation, they'll be told to go pound sand.

[dannyboy35]

  OKC isn’t interested in the player Danny Green right now, right? So what is the argument against why didn’t the Celts use #14 and other smaller combined parts whether a pick or players to get Schroeder? 
   I’m asking because I really don’t know. So many variables. But I think Schroeder is VERY good.

[footey]

I was lost reading this until I saw the trade proposal, which sounds like a done deal:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30321409/sources-los-angeles-lakers-talks-acquire-dennis-schroder-oklahoma-city-thunder

Great pick up by Lakers. Man they are not resting on their laurels. 

[Roy H.]

  OKC isn’t interested in the player Danny Green right now, right? So what is the argument against why didn’t the Celts use #14 and other smaller combined parts whether a pick or players to get Schroeder? 
   I’m asking because I really don’t know. So many variables. But I think Schroeder is VERY good.

Salaries have to roughly match in trades.  We don’t have that matching salary unless we trade somebody good.

[jambr380]

I like Schroder, but I don't think he makes up for both Rondo and Green. Them giving away another pick is interesting - I realize late 1sts are pretty irrelevant for the Lakers at this point, but I am just glad they didn't finagle their way into a boatload of cap space by offloading Green and AB for nothing. Them acquiring a legit 3rd star by trade would have to be the greatest fear for the NBA and Schroder is definitely not a star.

We should also understand that Lebron isn't going to have a 4 month break in order to rest up for the playoffs this season. The stars completely aligned for him/the Lakers this past season and I just don't see that happening again at all.

[dannyboy35]

   Schroeder is another one of my favorite players . Bummed to see him go there. The first of a few big Laker additions. I wonder how Danny goes about this. You consider making a move but if Lakers then grab Ibaka because he’s just willing to lose that much dough for LA and a ring. It’s gotta make him more hesitant. This is why I think Danny gets criticized for hoarding assets. But I don’t think it’s a valid one, myself.

[Vermont Green]

I like Schroder, but I don't think he makes up for both Rondo and Green.

In the end, I don't think he will need to make up for both.  Schroder is an upgrade over Rondo for them.  They will sign a ring chasing vet to replace Green.  It should not be that hard to find someone who is equal or at least equal enough to Green.  PGs are harder to find so to me, this makes sense for the Lakers.  Not a game changer, they don't need to change the game, just a good solid roster adjustment.

To me, this makes less sense for OKC.  What do they want with Danny Green and Pick #28?  This doesn't seem to help them at all, especially if they are thinking of trading Chris Paul.

[hpantazo]

I like Schroder, but I don't think he makes up for both Rondo and Green. Them giving away another pick is interesting - I realize late 1sts are pretty irrelevant for the Lakers at this point, but I am just glad they didn't finagle their way into a boatload of cap space by offloading Green and AB for nothing. Them acquiring a legit 3rd star by trade would have to be the greatest fear for the NBA and Schroder is definitely not a star.

We should also understand that Lebron isn't going to have a 4 month break in order to rest up for the playoffs this season. The stars completely aligned for him/the Lakers this past season and I just don't see that happening again at all.

I agree. I just don't see replacing Rondo and Green with Schroeder and someone like Wes Matthews who they are after right now an upgrade of any sort. Rondo was a key piece to that finals run for them.

Now, if they somehow manage to add Ibaka, then that is a move that I would consider a real upgrade and a win for them.

[PAOBoston]

I like Schroder, but I don't think he makes up for both Rondo and Green. Them giving away another pick is interesting - I realize late 1sts are pretty irrelevant for the Lakers at this point, but I am just glad they didn't finagle their way into a boatload of cap space by offloading Green and AB for nothing. Them acquiring a legit 3rd star by trade would have to be the greatest fear for the NBA and Schroder is definitely not a star.

We should also understand that Lebron isn't going to have a 4 month break in order to rest up for the playoffs this season. The stars completely aligned for him/the Lakers this past season and I just don't see that happening again at all.

I agree. I just don't see replacing Rondo and Green with Schroeder and someone like Wes Matthews who they are after right now an upgrade of any sort. Rondo was a key piece to that finals run for them.

Now, if they somehow manage to add Ibaka, then that is a move that I would consider a real upgrade and a win for them.

Rondo coasted during the regular season. At this point in their careers, Schroeder is a much better and consistent player than Rondo. Schroeder/Matthews would be a nice upgrade for the Lakers.

[jambr380]

I like Schroder, but I don't think he makes up for both Rondo and Green. Them giving away another pick is interesting - I realize late 1sts are pretty irrelevant for the Lakers at this point, but I am just glad they didn't finagle their way into a boatload of cap space by offloading Green and AB for nothing. Them acquiring a legit 3rd star by trade would have to be the greatest fear for the NBA and Schroder is definitely not a star.

We should also understand that Lebron isn't going to have a 4 month break in order to rest up for the playoffs this season. The stars completely aligned for him/the Lakers this past season and I just don't see that happening again at all.

I agree. I just don't see replacing Rondo and Green with Schroeder and someone like Wes Matthews who they are after right now an upgrade of any sort. Rondo was a key piece to that finals run for them.

Now, if they somehow manage to add Ibaka, then that is a move that I would consider a real upgrade and a win for them.

Rondo coasted during the regular season. At this point in their careers, Schroeder is a much better and consistent player than Rondo. Schroeder/Matthews would be a nice upgrade for the Lakers.

People are acting like they couldn't have still signed Ibaka, Matthews, or whoever, if they didn't make this trade. This isn't Rondo/Green vs Schroder/Ibaka; it's Rondo/Green/Ibaka vs Schroder/Ibaka. They were going to have the MLE either way.

Also, the Lakers were still the #1 seed even with Rondo coasting in the regular season. The real test is going to be if Playoff Schroder is as good as Playoff Rondo.

Honestly, this is mostly just a wash from what I can see. That team is 100% dependent on the optimal health of both Lebron and AD. They may still pull off another Title (I doubt it), but I doubt it will come from Schroder becoming that 3rd All-Star that nearly all (non-Lebron) teams need to win it all.

[jambr380]

I like Schroder, but I don't think he makes up for both Rondo and Green.

In the end, I don't think he will need to make up for both.  Schroder is an upgrade over Rondo for them.  They will sign a ring chasing vet to replace Green.  It should not be that hard to find someone who is equal or at least equal enough to Green.  PGs are harder to find so to me, this makes sense for the Lakers.  Not a game changer, they don't need to change the game, just a good solid roster adjustment.

To me, this makes less sense for OKC.  What do they want with Danny Green and Pick #28?  This doesn't seem to help them at all, especially if they are thinking of trading Chris Paul.

For whatever reason, OKC is still in asset collection mode. Danny Green can be inserted into any contending team's rotation and fit right in; and he is proven, as he just keeps winning championships with different teams. I'd imagine OKC would gladly take another 20-something pick and an expiring contract or two and send him on his way.

[gouki88]

LA fans probably ecstatic to get rid of Danny Green

[tazzmaniac]

I like Schroder, but I don't think he makes up for both Rondo and Green.

In the end, I don't think he will need to make up for both.  Schroder is an upgrade over Rondo for them.  They will sign a ring chasing vet to replace Green.  It should not be that hard to find someone who is equal or at least equal enough to Green.  PGs are harder to find so to me, this makes sense for the Lakers.  Not a game changer, they don't need to change the game, just a good solid roster adjustment.

To me, this makes less sense for OKC.  What do they want with Danny Green and Pick #28?  This doesn't seem to help them at all, especially if they are thinking of trading Chris Paul.

For whatever reason, OKC is still in asset collection mode. Danny Green can be inserted into any contending team's rotation and fit right in; and he is proven, as he just keeps winning championships with different teams. I'd imagine OKC would gladly take another 20-something pick and an expiring contract or two and send him on his way.

Because they are going full on rebuild so the more picks the better.  I agree they should trade Green either now or at the deadline.  CP3 is their next trade piece.  Can they get anything for Adams? 

[PAOBoston]

I like Schroder, but I don't think he makes up for both Rondo and Green. Them giving away another pick is interesting - I realize late 1sts are pretty irrelevant for the Lakers at this point, but I am just glad they didn't finagle their way into a boatload of cap space by offloading Green and AB for nothing. Them acquiring a legit 3rd star by trade would have to be the greatest fear for the NBA and Schroder is definitely not a star.

We should also understand that Lebron isn't going to have a 4 month break in order to rest up for the playoffs this season. The stars completely aligned for him/the Lakers this past season and I just don't see that happening again at all.

I agree. I just don't see replacing Rondo and Green with Schroeder and someone like Wes Matthews who they are after right now an upgrade of any sort. Rondo was a key piece to that finals run for them.

Now, if they somehow manage to add Ibaka, then that is a move that I would consider a real upgrade and a win for them.

Rondo coasted during the regular season. At this point in their careers, Schroeder is a much better and consistent player than Rondo. Schroeder/Matthews would be a nice upgrade for the Lakers.

People are acting like they couldn't have still signed Ibaka, Matthews, or whoever, if they didn't make this trade. This isn't Rondo/Green vs Schroder/Ibaka; it's Rondo/Green/Ibaka vs Schroder/Ibaka. They were going to have the MLE either way.

Also, the Lakers were still the #1 seed even with Rondo coasting in the regular season. The real test is going to be if Playoff Schroder is as good as Playoff Rondo.

Honestly, this is mostly just a wash from what I can see. That team is 100% dependent on the optimal health of both Lebron and AD. They may still pull off another Title (I doubt it), but I doubt it will come from Schroder becoming that 3rd All-Star that nearly all (non-Lebron) teams need to win it all.

Think the issue is Ro do is looking for more money than the vet minimum he got last year. Lakers only have the MLE so they can’t get both Ibaka and Rondo if both are looking for that type of money which is why they traded Green for Schroeder who can run the point and make up some of the shooting by Green.