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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #330 on: November 18, 2020, 04:38:46 PM »

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re: Hayward and aggressiveness, I can't think of many instances when he took over in crunch time by getting into the teeth of the defense and either passing out or getting a great shot within 10 feet.

There were definitely times that the team needed that.

Also I can't think of too many times where Hayward was playing with mostly bench guys and he took over on offense to keep the team afloat while Tatum / Brown / Kemba were sitting. 

That's something else you'd hope to see from your 3rd / 4th option who you know has the talent to score 20+.


Hayward to me is an elite version of Joe Ingles.  He's always been that.  On a team that needs to run the offense through him he can score 20-24 points a game.  But it's not in his nature to be a pure scorer / offensive workhorse.

These are good thoughts. I think Hayward is a much better version of Ingles (ie not even comparable) but I get it. The Jazz coaches constantly were begging Hayward to shoot more. I think we've seen a pattern with him.

He's a great player. Unselfish, versatile, smart, tough, etc. But he's not a reliable lead scorer. That's just not how he is wired.

I would much rather the Cs find a way to keep him and win a championship with him. I hope he gets a championship. He deserves it.

This is really the problem a lot Cs fans have with him. They expect a max player to be a Harden type, someone who will dominate the scoring, be the No1 option, be the takeover guy. It's almost offensive to some fans that he's getting paid max money to be a No.4 option. Unfortunately the market determines a player's value and that's what the market determined Hayward's value was. They said the same of Al Horford but because Gordon is a versatile player who can contribute in many different ways, some of those ways don't necessarily show up on the scoreboard. But unfortunately for us there's not enough money to go around to keep everyone so either Hayward will have to take a haircut along with Kemba or we lose one or both of them eventually and if we're going to lose either of them we definitely need to get something back.

I don't know if fans are offended that he is getting paid max money because of his role. By no fault of his own, much of his tenure with the Cs has been spent either injured or at less than 100%. If he had spent the last three seasons/post-seasons contributing as he had this season, I think people would more or less be satisfied with what Hayward has done. How often do we hear, "With a healthy Hayward..." in posts defending him and the team.

Horford was even less productive and, while he had his detractors, I think people more or less appreciated what he brought to our franchise for 3 years. There are so many 'what ifs' with Hayward that it difficult to look at his time with the Cs in an objective manner w/o bringing up the injuries.

And none of this is to say that I wouldn't gladly take him back on a 4yr renegotiated contract; I just think that ship has likely sailed.

Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #331 on: November 18, 2020, 06:12:52 PM »

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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #332 on: November 18, 2020, 06:13:30 PM »

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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #333 on: November 18, 2020, 06:15:27 PM »

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https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/18/celtics-could-trade-gordon-hayward-to-cavs-for-andre-drummond/

windhorst reporting a Drummond for Hayward trade is possible.
Oh no

Drummond was traded for a second rounder and brandon knight who doesnt even play.

If they get hayward for drummond then the 5 and mext years unprotected better be included.

No way this is a thing.
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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #334 on: November 18, 2020, 06:15:34 PM »

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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #335 on: November 18, 2020, 06:16:14 PM »

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https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/18/celtics-could-trade-gordon-hayward-to-cavs-for-andre-drummond/

windhorst reporting a Drummond for Hayward trade is possible.
Oh no

Drummond was traded for a second rounder and brandon knight who doesnt even play.

If they get hayward for drummond then the 5 and mext years unprotected better be included.

No way this is a thing.
Drummond + 5 would be awesome, even if it included #14.

Drummond alone... yuck
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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #336 on: November 18, 2020, 06:16:35 PM »

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« Last Edit: November 18, 2020, 06:23:39 PM by gouki88 »
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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #337 on: November 18, 2020, 06:21:47 PM »

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What else you getting with Drummond??

Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #338 on: November 18, 2020, 06:28:28 PM »

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Drummond is intriguing, but can he be one of the closing 5 in close games or is he liability. If Hayward is on the table, my prefernce is for Drummond’s former teammate, Blake Griffin.

Blake
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Kemba

With a decent bench, that team can be strong contenders for a Championship.

Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #339 on: November 18, 2020, 06:29:51 PM »

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Drummond is intriguing, but can he be one of the closing 5 in close games or is he liability. If Hayward is on the table, my prefernce is for Drummond’s former teammate, Blake Griffin.

Blake
Tatum
Brown
Smart
Kemba

With a decent bench, that team can be strong contenders for a Championship.
Blake is a huge risk. So injury-prone he makes Gordy look like AC Green, and wasn't even a good player last season
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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #340 on: November 18, 2020, 06:32:10 PM »

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Klay Thompson just tore his ACL again? Brutal

Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #341 on: November 18, 2020, 06:35:26 PM »

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Klay Thompson just tore his ACL again? Brutal

Haven't seen his injury confirmed as anything other than "apparent lower leg injury". Careful spreading speculation as fact.
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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #342 on: November 18, 2020, 06:42:01 PM »

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https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/18/celtics-could-trade-gordon-hayward-to-cavs-for-andre-drummond/

windhorst reporting a Drummond for Hayward trade is possible.
Oh no

Just throwing crap against the wall, I think.

Windy has never had Boston sauces so anything he says about Boston has been fed to him by Eric Ainge.
ok fine

Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #343 on: November 18, 2020, 06:43:23 PM »

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Re: Hayward Deadline Extended Until 11/19
« Reply #344 on: November 18, 2020, 06:47:11 PM »

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https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/11/18/celtics-could-trade-gordon-hayward-to-cavs-for-andre-drummond/

windhorst reporting a Drummond for Hayward trade is possible.
I would imagine Hayward wants no part of Cle.  At that point he's better off opting out and taking his chances.