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Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2020, 01:09:18 PM »

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Barring some big trade that would probably involve another "high salary player" that is at the end of his deal, we have two options and Ainge/Hayward knew this when he signed this contract (2017) with a player option.

Hayward opts in and takes the $34M (high probability)
Hayward opts out for a "post max" deal elsewhere (low probability)

Thus he opts in and Ainge trades him or we have a really good player on the court for us this year.

As far as the "sign an extension for less money?" (very low probability) because Hayward doesn't "have to" do this.

I guess, if he departs, it might be to the Pacers, but, this NBA trade stuff is such a gamble. You never know.

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2020, 01:20:39 PM »

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Regardless how we feel about the recent moves over the past day, what's true is that yet again, other teams in our own conference are getting better while for the most part the C's just stand pat despite some of their glaring flaws. I'm hoping we see more action soon once we see Hayward's decision later today, but I'm not in the camp that "running it back" with much of the same roster is the best move. I'd be disappointed if they did honestly. Besides just a big man, they NEED an actual bench too, preferably with scoring.
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Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2020, 01:23:16 PM »

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Regardless how we feel about the recent moves over the past day, what's true is that yet again, other teams in our own conference are getting better while for the most part the C's just stand pat despite some of their glaring flaws. I'm hoping we see more action soon once we see Hayward's decision later today, but I'm not in the camp that "running it back" with much of the same roster is the best move. I'd be disappointed if they did honestly. Besides just a big man, they NEED an actual bench too, preferably with scoring.

Our biggest issue is that we donít really have mid-sized contracts, which are useful in constructing trades.  Mostly itís just Marcus and maybe Kanter.  That limits things.
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Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2020, 01:24:11 PM »

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Regardless how we feel about the recent moves over the past day, what's true is that yet again, other teams in our own conference are getting better while for the most part the C's just stand pat despite some of their glaring flaws. I'm hoping we see more action soon once we see Hayward's decision later today, but I'm not in the camp that "running it back" with much of the same roster is the best move. I'd be disappointed if they did honestly. Besides just a big man, they NEED an actual bench too, preferably with scoring.


I get hung up on the part of trading Hayward to add scoring to the bench when chances are, the bench scoring isn't as good at scoring as Hayward.   

I think they need to add scoring without removing one of the top 4 scorers.

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2020, 01:29:30 PM »

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Regardless how we feel about the recent moves over the past day, what's true is that yet again, other teams in our own conference are getting better while for the most part the C's just stand pat despite some of their glaring flaws. I'm hoping we see more action soon once we see Hayward's decision later today, but I'm not in the camp that "running it back" with much of the same roster is the best move. I'd be disappointed if they did honestly. Besides just a big man, they NEED an actual bench too, preferably with scoring.

Our biggest issue is that we donít really have mid-sized contracts, which are useful in constructing trades.  Mostly itís just Marcus and maybe Kanter.  That limits things.
Which is why it wouldn't shock me if Smart is the one to be moved ultimately. 

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2020, 01:30:07 PM »

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Regardless how we feel about the recent moves over the past day, what's true is that yet again, other teams in our own conference are getting better while for the most part the C's just stand pat despite some of their glaring flaws. I'm hoping we see more action soon once we see Hayward's decision later today, but I'm not in the camp that "running it back" with much of the same roster is the best move. I'd be disappointed if they did honestly. Besides just a big man, they NEED an actual bench too, preferably with scoring.


I get hung up on the part of trading Hayward to add scoring to the bench when chances are, the bench scoring isn't as good at scoring as Hayward.   

I think they need to add scoring without removing one of the top 4 scorers.

What's actually out there that makes the C's better without Hayward.  Would you feel better if the C's got Danilo gallanari for the bench on the MLE and still have Hayward then draft a scoring guard.  Hopefully Romeo adds some scoring depth.  The C's don't have to trade Hayward to get better.  If they do the only way they get better is if they get dip and Turner for Hayward.  There aren't many deals that make the C's better by not having Hayward.  The C's were a healthy Hayward and a bench scorer away from the championship.  Even with all of the teams starting fresh I feel the same.  Once bench scorer.  Keep Hayward and hopefully a rookie that can come in and contribute like Herro did for Miami.  The C's don't need to blow it up.  Unfortunately it seems the team disagrees because they were willing to move Kemba one year after signing him to that max deal.  That's not a good look.

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2020, 01:32:02 PM »

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The worst part of this announcement, the best and worst outcome of this both start with the same move of opting out.   


Then the real painful wait of is he going to resign or not start.

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2020, 01:46:28 PM »

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I'm confused; is Hayward making his decision by today or does he have until Thursday at 5PM? Conflicting reports (Murphy tweet was yesterday, so suggests deadline is today Tuesday):




Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2020, 01:49:17 PM »

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I'm confused; is Hayward making his decision by today or does he have until Thursday at 5PM? Conflicting reports (Murphy tweet was yesterday, so suggests deadline is today Tuesday):



It's today at 5pm.  I think Keith Smith is the conflicting report you're referring to and I believe he since said he was mistaken.

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2020, 01:52:56 PM »

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I could see Gordon wanting to go to Pacers, but threatening to opt out unless Danny agrees to trade him there. And I could see Danny talking with Pacers about getting Oladipo; I doubt he wants Turner (I wouldn't; would not upgrade our current center position; sorry Turner lovers).

Of course this would mean he should move Kemba. He was trying to move him for Holiday, so no doubt he will try to move him to make room for Oladipo. Knicks the most likely target. 

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2020, 01:53:38 PM »

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I'm confused; is Hayward making his decision by today or does he have until Thursday at 5PM? Conflicting reports (Murphy tweet was yesterday, so suggests deadline is today Tuesday):



It's today at 5pm.  I think Keith Smith is the conflicting report you're referring to and I believe he since said he was mistaken.

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Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2020, 02:12:34 PM »

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How would people feel about flipping him for Aaron Gordon? Hayward is better player for sure, Aaron makes as much the next two years combined as Hayward will make next year on his option. He is a better defender, pretty good passer (3.7 assists vs Hayward 4.1), and young enough (about 18 months younger than Smart) that he could be part of the long term core. IF he's willing to play a more swiss army knife roll for the c's he could be a fit, he'd also have to hopefully improve his 3 pointer.

Now why would ORL do it? Well Hayward is a better ball handler and scorer, which they desperately need. Or Hayward could be routed to a third team and draft capital from that could be used for Aaron Gordon.

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2020, 02:14:21 PM »

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I could see Gordon wanting to go to Pacers, but threatening to opt out unless Danny agrees to trade him there. And I could see Danny talking with Pacers about getting Oladipo; I doubt he wants Turner (I wouldn't; would not upgrade our current center position; sorry Turner lovers).

Of course this would mean he should move Kemba. He was trying to move him for Holiday, so no doubt he will try to move him to make room for Oladipo. Knicks the most likely target.

I would take turner if I could flip him to GSW I suppose the same with Dipo.

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Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2020, 02:25:04 PM »

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I could see Gordon wanting to go to Pacers, but threatening to opt out unless Danny agrees to trade him there. And I could see Danny talking with Pacers about getting Oladipo; I doubt he wants Turner (I wouldn't; would not upgrade our current center position; sorry Turner lovers).

Of course this would mean he should move Kemba. He was trying to move him for Holiday, so no doubt he will try to move him to make room for Oladipo. Knicks the most likely target.

It's funny because the majority of CelticsBlog has been deadset against a Hayward for Turner trade while I saw the same suggestion recently on a Celtics instagram page and the majority of the 300+ comments said they'd make the trade in a heartbeat.
I'm torn. I'd like to keep Gordon, but not at his current rate and if its a guarantee he's going to leave or get paid elsewhere we MUST get something for him.

Re: Hayward Option Deadline 11/17 at 5pm
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2020, 02:25:24 PM »

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I could see Gordon wanting to go to Pacers, but threatening to opt out unless Danny agrees to trade him there. And I could see Danny talking with Pacers about getting Oladipo; I doubt he wants Turner (I wouldn't; would not upgrade our current center position; sorry Turner lovers).

Of course this would mean he should move Kemba. He was trying to move him for Holiday, so no doubt he will try to move him to make room for Oladipo. Knicks the most likely target.
I'm not sure flipping the guy who agreed to play for you a year ago and bail you out the Kyrie problem is the best long term business practice - if you expect to be in the free agent market again at some point over the next few years.  Players keep an eye on this stuff.  Even worse if you flip him to a lousy team.