Jrue Holiday to C's Rumor

[td450]

I kind of thought the next big move they made would be one for the "final" piece. Trading for Holiday doesn't move the needle much and he's not young either. Making a move like this only makes sense if it's also solving some other issue on the roster, i.e. Hayward and whether they really want to re-sign him at a number he likes (or if they want to re-sign him at all).

I think the problem he would solve is that Hayward is otherwise leaving for nothing, whereas Holiday has some value this year.

Right, but how often can you just kick the can down the road? You're going to have to re-sign him and the obvious conclusion is Kemba will then be dealt due to the redundancy. I'm not saying I'm against that per say, but having both at such huge numbers just doesn't seem feasible long term if you're trying to win a title. If you're saying they need to get somebody just to get somebody and not lose Hayward for nothing, I guess I agree, but I would hope there are other options out there that also fit our current roster better.

If you are focusing on the Hayward and Walker situations, then it is going to have to feel that way. This is going to be Tatum and Brown's team. Those two slots are going to have to be finessed downward over the years. Holiday is a perfect scenario. Several million cheaper. One extra year. Very, very good but not a superstar. Something along these lines is what has to happen.

[Moranis]

Not sure how we get him salary wise without giving up Kemba/Hayward/Smart. Giving up our 3 first rounders + one of those guys for Jrue is an overpay

Hayward + Langford to Indiana

Oladipo + picks to New Orleans

Jrue + Turner to Boston



works in the trade machine


Yeah I know you said without giving up Hayward but let's be real all these rumors suggest that he's gone anyway if we don't trade him.

I'd rather have Oladipo than Holiday

[footey]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

[Moranis]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

Holiday is better than Hayward

[Roy H.]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

Holiday is better than Hayward

They’re obviously different players, but I prefer Jrue as well.

He’s Marcus Smart on defense while being a smart offensive player.  His outside shot has become less accurate as he’s increased the volume of his shots, but I think he’d be able to get back to around 37% - 38% in our offense.

He and Andre Iguodala are maybe my two favorite non-Celtics.  Philly screwed up by breaking up that backcourt.  They could have been one of the all-time best defensive guard tandems.

[michigan adam]

If Hayward is not willing to opt out and resign for 4 and 100 or less then, then I trade him.  Jrue makes sense in that case.  If we go for a Jrue then a kemba trade also makes sense.  Have to get back Jrue, a center, and a solid bench shooter at the least though, and maybe a BU pG.

[PAOBoston]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

That entire USA squad was so out of whack. I remember watching Middleton and was trying to figure out he got paid like a max player. They were all awful.

I do believe people are being overly harsh on Turner. He’s really not as bad as people make him out to be here. He’s a good player on a good contract for a young big man who brings what he brings. Williams is a project and not ready and Theis is a nice role player but he’s FA next summer and he will be looking for more money.

If the Cs are giving up all their picks, I think there has to be more to any deal that just Holiday assuming Hayward wants out.

[Somebody]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

Holiday is better than Hayward

They’re obviously different players, but I prefer Jrue as well.

He’s Marcus Smart on defense while being a smart offensive player.  His outside shot has become less accurate as he’s increased the volume of his shots, but I think he’d be able to get back to around 37% - 38% in our offense.

He and Andre Iguodala are maybe my two favorite non-Celtics.  Philly screwed up by breaking up that backcourt.  They could have been one of the all-time best defensive guard tandems.

To be fair it wasn't like that defensive tandem could've driven them to title contention all by themselves - perimeter defenders usually don't anchor elite defences like great big men do. They needed another elite defensive big man and an offensive centrepiece imo, those don't grow on trees.

[Sophomore]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

Holiday is better than Hayward

If Hayward is healthy I’m not buying that. Hayward is a much more efficient scorer, more able to get his own shot down the stretch. He’s as good a passer, a better rebounder. He’s also a few inches taller. Holiday is an excellent perimeter defender, no question, and a very good player, about the same caliber. But for one season, if both are healthy and I’m starting a team, choosing Hayward over Holiday is an easy call.

[gouki88]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

Holiday is better than Hayward

They’re obviously different players, but I prefer Jrue as well.

He’s Marcus Smart on defense while being a smart offensive player.  His outside shot has become less accurate as he’s increased the volume of his shots, but I think he’d be able to get back to around 37% - 38% in our offense.

He and Andre Iguodala are maybe my two favorite non-Celtics.  Philly screwed up by breaking up that backcourt.  They could have been one of the all-time best defensive guard tandems.

To be fair it wasn't like that defensive tandem could've driven them to title contention all by themselves - perimeter defenders usually don't anchor elite defences like great big men do. They needed another elite defensive big man and an offensive centrepiece imo, those don't grow on trees.

Imagine if they could’ve had Joel Embiid on that team without him getting hurt early

[Somebody]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

Holiday is better than Hayward

They’re obviously different players, but I prefer Jrue as well.

He’s Marcus Smart on defense while being a smart offensive player.  His outside shot has become less accurate as he’s increased the volume of his shots, but I think he’d be able to get back to around 37% - 38% in our offense.

He and Andre Iguodala are maybe my two favorite non-Celtics.  Philly screwed up by breaking up that backcourt.  They could have been one of the all-time best defensive guard tandems.

To be fair it wasn't like that defensive tandem could've driven them to title contention all by themselves - perimeter defenders usually don't anchor elite defences like great big men do. They needed another elite defensive big man and an offensive centrepiece imo, those don't grow on trees.

Imagine if they could’ve had Joel Embiid on that team without him getting hurt early

That would be insane, they can grab two shooters in FA and contend for titles lol.

[gouki88]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

Holiday is better than Hayward

They’re obviously different players, but I prefer Jrue as well.

He’s Marcus Smart on defense while being a smart offensive player.  His outside shot has become less accurate as he’s increased the volume of his shots, but I think he’d be able to get back to around 37% - 38% in our offense.

He and Andre Iguodala are maybe my two favorite non-Celtics.  Philly screwed up by breaking up that backcourt.  They could have been one of the all-time best defensive guard tandems.

To be fair it wasn't like that defensive tandem could've driven them to title contention all by themselves - perimeter defenders usually don't anchor elite defences like great big men do. They needed another elite defensive big man and an offensive centrepiece imo, those don't grow on trees.

Imagine if they could’ve had Joel Embiid on that team without him getting hurt early

That would be insane, they can grab two shooters in FA and contend for titles lol.

Thank god it didn’t

Defensively a 4 headed dragon of Jrue-Smart-Brown-Tatum could be seriously epic

[Somebody]

Turner was pretty dreadful playing with Kemba, Brown, Tatum and Smart in FIBA.  That team was kind of awful.

I'd rather play Theis and Williams at center.  And keep Hayward.

Holiday is a major downgrade from Hayward. And he'll be gone in a year.

And we are giving up all 3 first round picks?  For this?

I think guys get excited about trades without really thinking through what we are giving up and what we are getting back.

Holiday is better than Hayward

They’re obviously different players, but I prefer Jrue as well.

He’s Marcus Smart on defense while being a smart offensive player.  His outside shot has become less accurate as he’s increased the volume of his shots, but I think he’d be able to get back to around 37% - 38% in our offense.

He and Andre Iguodala are maybe my two favorite non-Celtics.  Philly screwed up by breaking up that backcourt.  They could have been one of the all-time best defensive guard tandems.

To be fair it wasn't like that defensive tandem could've driven them to title contention all by themselves - perimeter defenders usually don't anchor elite defences like great big men do. They needed another elite defensive big man and an offensive centrepiece imo, those don't grow on trees.

Imagine if they could’ve had Joel Embiid on that team without him getting hurt early

That would be insane, they can grab two shooters in FA and contend for titles lol.

Thank god it didn’t

Defensively a 4 headed dragon of Jrue-Smart-Brown-Tatum could be seriously epic

Absolutely. I have reservations over that quartet offensively but man that's a fantastic defensive unit assuming we'll still have Theis.

[RJ87]

Not sure how we get him salary wise without giving up Kemba/Hayward/Smart. Giving up our 3 first rounders + one of those guys for Jrue is an overpay

Hayward + Langford to Indiana

Oladipo + picks to New Orleans

Jrue + Turner to Boston



works in the trade machine


Yeah I know you said without giving up Hayward but let's be real all these rumors suggest that he's gone anyway if we don't trade him.

I'd rather have Oladipo than Holiday

2 years ago, I would've agreed with you. But I'm not sure what kind of player he is coming off the quad rupture. And he's a player that needs his athleticism to be effective.

[Darth_Yoda]

Had a dream about this scenario last night.

Kemba and Poirier to NYK for #8

Hayward, Edwards and #14 and #26 for Jrue and Reddick

#8, Jrue, Frank and loads of savings to Boston. (24 million TPE created)

#8 turned out to be Killian Hayes

Jrue/Hayes
Smart/Reddick
Brown/Romeo
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Timelord


It was just a dream yes, but it will now come true if I speak it into existence.