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Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #180 on: November 06, 2020, 01:17:50 PM »

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Wow! Funny you should say that. I was JUST thinking why no one has compared Tillman as a bigger version of D. Green. Good for you for stepping up  :)

If Tillman had a 3 point shot,  I wouldn't hesitate to take him at 14

He is a pain in the butt to play against. A defensive anchor.  He will grind and wear down his opponents.  High iq player. 

Would love to see the dynamics of Tillman +  Timelord on the court at the same time.  Or Tillman and Grant Williams.     Should be a painful experience for opponents

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #181 on: November 06, 2020, 01:19:31 PM »

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Wow! Funny you should say that. I was JUST thinking why no one has compared Tillman as a bigger version of D. Green. Good for you for stepping up  :)

If Tillman had a 3 point shot,  I wouldn't hesitate to take him at 14

He is a pain in the butt to play against. A defensive anchor.  He will grind and wear down his opponents.  High iq player. 

Would love to see the dynamics of Tillman +  Timelord on the court at the same time.  Or Tillman and Grant Williams.     Should be a painful experience for opponents

14 is a stretch even with a 3 pointer. But 26 should be a perfect spot to get him, he is slated as a second rounder everywhere.
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Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #182 on: November 06, 2020, 02:06:58 PM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #183 on: November 06, 2020, 05:06:53 PM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.
Jeesh, second round for a playmaking big man who has apparently developed an outside shot, who can also anchor a defence? You realise that’s Stevens’ dream big man right?

I would infinitely prefer going with someone who I know can actually play rather than shooting for potential (like JJJ, Yabu, Fab Melo, etc.)
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #184 on: November 06, 2020, 05:58:36 PM »

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Wow! Funny you should say that. I was JUST thinking why no one has compared Tillman as a bigger version of D. Green. Good for you for stepping up  :)

If Tillman had a 3 point shot,  I wouldn't hesitate to take him at 14

He is a pain in the butt to play against. A defensive anchor.  He will grind and wear down his opponents.  High iq player. 

Would love to see the dynamics of Tillman +  Timelord on the court at the same time.  Or Tillman and Grant Williams.     Should be a painful experience for opponents

14 is a stretch even with a 3 pointer. But 26 should be a perfect spot to get him, he is slated as a second rounder everywhere.

Gwill went what 22 or 23?

Tillman with a 3 pt shot is a better nba prospect

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #185 on: November 06, 2020, 06:09:22 PM »

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Wow! Funny you should say that. I was JUST thinking why no one has compared Tillman as a bigger version of D. Green. Good for you for stepping up  :)

If Tillman had a 3 point shot,  I wouldn't hesitate to take him at 14

He is a pain in the butt to play against. A defensive anchor.  He will grind and wear down his opponents.  High iq player. 

Would love to see the dynamics of Tillman +  Timelord on the court at the same time.  Or Tillman and Grant Williams.     Should be a painful experience for opponents

14 is a stretch even with a 3 pointer. But 26 should be a perfect spot to get him, he is slated as a second rounder everywhere.

Gwill went what 22 or 23?

Tillman with a 3 pt shot is a better nba prospect

I dont think grant should have gone 22 at the time. He was a second rounder imo.
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Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #186 on: November 06, 2020, 06:19:20 PM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.
Jeesh, second round for a playmaking big man who has apparently developed an outside shot, who can also anchor a defence? You realise that’s Stevens’ dream big man right?

I would infinitely prefer going with someone who I know can actually play rather than shooting for potential (like JJJ, Yabu, Fab Melo, etc.)
I looked into Tillman his defense is overrated and based more on effort than ability. He retreats on almost every perimeter play. One on one or in switches he isn't very good. Too many times he couldn't better younger bigs from putting up good numbers against him. I get that he doesn't look lost and he does hustle back so that's great for college but in the pros you need more than that. I haven't seen much play making from him either 3 ast and 2 turnovers is accurate to his skill. His offense is also suspect as I did see him get most his points via easy buckets thanks to others plus his fts % and 3pt % isn't good to project stretch play. He showed little improvements year to year.

Also if the JJJ you are talking about is JaJuan Johnson, JJJ was more of a sure thing and way better prospect than Tillman. Compare their careers, measurements, stats, and awards. JJJ drafted was 22 and Tillman will turn 22 in season. JJJ never added strength and never got better than what he was in college but has had a pro career outside the NBA.

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #187 on: November 07, 2020, 11:09:09 AM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.
Jeesh, second round for a playmaking big man who has apparently developed an outside shot, who can also anchor a defence? You realise that’s Stevens’ dream big man right?

I would infinitely prefer going with someone who I know can actually play rather than shooting for potential (like JJJ, Yabu, Fab Melo, etc.)
I looked into Tillman his defense is overrated and based more on effort than ability. He retreats on almost every perimeter play. One on one or in switches he isn't very good. Too many times he couldn't better younger bigs from putting up good numbers against him. I get that he doesn't look lost and he does hustle back so that's great for college but in the pros you need more than that. I haven't seen much play making from him either 3 ast and 2 turnovers is accurate to his skill. His offense is also suspect as I did see him get most his points via easy buckets thanks to others plus his fts % and 3pt % isn't good to project stretch play. He showed little improvements year to year.

Also if the JJJ you are talking about is JaJuan Johnson, JJJ was more of a sure thing and way better prospect than Tillman. Compare their careers, measurements, stats, and awards. JJJ drafted was 22 and Tillman will turn 22 in season. JJJ never added strength and never got better than what he was in college but has had a pro career outside the NBA.

we will have to agree to disagree, I personally am confident that Tillman will be a capable role player very early in his NBA career. I expect him to play high IQ positional defense, be an above average screener/sealer, and be capable of making the correct reads out of the high post and in top of the key actions. He is the only big in this draft who I feel confident in there ability to cover all of these skills. In a perfect world he would be taller, a little quicker and have a 3pt shot but even despite the physical limitations and if the shot doesn't come I would still take him at 26 or 30.
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Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #188 on: November 07, 2020, 12:59:19 PM »

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Tillman is an intriguing prospect. He doesn’t jump off the screen, but his playmaking, shooting, low post moves, and closing speed are good building blocks that translate to the NBA.

I’ve looked at tape on the top 4s and 5s in the draft and haven’t seen the patience, passing, and decision-making that Tillman displayed.

There’s a parallel to Draymond Green with Tillman, if his intangibles are close, he should be a target late 1st/early 2nd.

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #189 on: November 08, 2020, 06:17:54 AM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.
Jeesh, second round for a playmaking big man who has apparently developed an outside shot, who can also anchor a defence? You realise that’s Stevens’ dream big man right?

I would infinitely prefer going with someone who I know can actually play rather than shooting for potential (like JJJ, Yabu, Fab Melo, etc.)
I looked into Tillman his defense is overrated and based more on effort than ability. He retreats on almost every perimeter play. One on one or in switches he isn't very good. Too many times he couldn't better younger bigs from putting up good numbers against him. I get that he doesn't look lost and he does hustle back so that's great for college but in the pros you need more than that. I haven't seen much play making from him either 3 ast and 2 turnovers is accurate to his skill. His offense is also suspect as I did see him get most his points via easy buckets thanks to others plus his fts % and 3pt % isn't good to project stretch play. He showed little improvements year to year.

Also if the JJJ you are talking about is JaJuan Johnson, JJJ was more of a sure thing and way better prospect than Tillman. Compare their careers, measurements, stats, and awards. JJJ drafted was 22 and Tillman will turn 22 in season. JJJ never added strength and never got better than what he was in college but has had a pro career outside the NBA.

we will have to agree to disagree, I personally am confident that Tillman will be a capable role player very early in his NBA career. I expect him to play high IQ positional defense, be an above average screener/sealer, and be capable of making the correct reads out of the high post and in top of the key actions. He is the only big in this draft who I feel confident in there ability to cover all of these skills. In a perfect world he would be taller, a little quicker and have a 3pt shot but even despite the physical limitations and if the shot doesn't come I would still take him at 26 or 30.
Agree completely. Think Csfan1984 has completely misread Tillman
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C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #190 on: November 08, 2020, 01:06:32 PM »

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I wonder how Achiuwa workout went.

He is one of top 3 explosive pfs in the draft.  Could be a good pick at 14 if he proved he has improved his 3 pt shot

Strong rebounder, rim protector and really quick rolling to the basket

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #191 on: November 08, 2020, 01:48:43 PM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.
Jeesh, second round for a playmaking big man who has apparently developed an outside shot, who can also anchor a defence? You realise that’s Stevens’ dream big man right?

I would infinitely prefer going with someone who I know can actually play rather than shooting for potential (like JJJ, Yabu, Fab Melo, etc.)
I looked into Tillman his defense is overrated and based more on effort than ability. He retreats on almost every perimeter play. One on one or in switches he isn't very good. Too many times he couldn't better younger bigs from putting up good numbers against him. I get that he doesn't look lost and he does hustle back so that's great for college but in the pros you need more than that. I haven't seen much play making from him either 3 ast and 2 turnovers is accurate to his skill. His offense is also suspect as I did see him get most his points via easy buckets thanks to others plus his fts % and 3pt % isn't good to project stretch play. He showed little improvements year to year.

Also if the JJJ you are talking about is JaJuan Johnson, JJJ was more of a sure thing and way better prospect than Tillman. Compare their careers, measurements, stats, and awards. JJJ drafted was 22 and Tillman will turn 22 in season. JJJ never added strength and never got better than what he was in college but has had a pro career outside the NBA.

we will have to agree to disagree, I personally am confident that Tillman will be a capable role player very early in his NBA career. I expect him to play high IQ positional defense, be an above average screener/sealer, and be capable of making the correct reads out of the high post and in top of the key actions. He is the only big in this draft who I feel confident in there ability to cover all of these skills. In a perfect world he would be taller, a little quicker and have a 3pt shot but even despite the physical limitations and if the shot doesn't come I would still take him at 26 or 30.
Agree completely. Think Csfan1984 has completely misread Tillman
I say look at draft sites, a majority have Tillman second round. Only a recent hype up based on youtube highlight watching has fans interested in Tillman as a potential 1st rounder. The guy is a second rounder.

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #192 on: November 08, 2020, 03:13:34 PM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.
Jeesh, second round for a playmaking big man who has apparently developed an outside shot, who can also anchor a defence? You realise that’s Stevens’ dream big man right?

I would infinitely prefer going with someone who I know can actually play rather than shooting for potential (like JJJ, Yabu, Fab Melo, etc.)
I looked into Tillman his defense is overrated and based more on effort than ability. He retreats on almost every perimeter play. One on one or in switches he isn't very good. Too many times he couldn't better younger bigs from putting up good numbers against him. I get that he doesn't look lost and he does hustle back so that's great for college but in the pros you need more than that. I haven't seen much play making from him either 3 ast and 2 turnovers is accurate to his skill. His offense is also suspect as I did see him get most his points via easy buckets thanks to others plus his fts % and 3pt % isn't good to project stretch play. He showed little improvements year to year.

Also if the JJJ you are talking about is JaJuan Johnson, JJJ was more of a sure thing and way better prospect than Tillman. Compare their careers, measurements, stats, and awards. JJJ drafted was 22 and Tillman will turn 22 in season. JJJ never added strength and never got better than what he was in college but has had a pro career outside the NBA.

we will have to agree to disagree, I personally am confident that Tillman will be a capable role player very early in his NBA career. I expect him to play high IQ positional defense, be an above average screener/sealer, and be capable of making the correct reads out of the high post and in top of the key actions. He is the only big in this draft who I feel confident in there ability to cover all of these skills. In a perfect world he would be taller, a little quicker and have a 3pt shot but even despite the physical limitations and if the shot doesn't come I would still take him at 26 or 30.
Agree completely. Think Csfan1984 has completely misread Tillman
I say look at draft sites, a majority have Tillman second round. Only a recent hype up based on youtube highlight watching has fans interested in Tillman as a potential 1st rounder. The guy is a second rounder.

Tillman made all big ten, all defensive team and dpoy

Is such resume a 2nd round pick prospect?

They said Draymond Green was not a 1st round pick. How did that turn out?

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #193 on: November 08, 2020, 05:26:07 PM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.
Jeesh, second round for a playmaking big man who has apparently developed an outside shot, who can also anchor a defence? You realise that’s Stevens’ dream big man right?

I would infinitely prefer going with someone who I know can actually play rather than shooting for potential (like JJJ, Yabu, Fab Melo, etc.)
I looked into Tillman his defense is overrated and based more on effort than ability. He retreats on almost every perimeter play. One on one or in switches he isn't very good. Too many times he couldn't better younger bigs from putting up good numbers against him. I get that he doesn't look lost and he does hustle back so that's great for college but in the pros you need more than that. I haven't seen much play making from him either 3 ast and 2 turnovers is accurate to his skill. His offense is also suspect as I did see him get most his points via easy buckets thanks to others plus his fts % and 3pt % isn't good to project stretch play. He showed little improvements year to year.

Also if the JJJ you are talking about is JaJuan Johnson, JJJ was more of a sure thing and way better prospect than Tillman. Compare their careers, measurements, stats, and awards. JJJ drafted was 22 and Tillman will turn 22 in season. JJJ never added strength and never got better than what he was in college but has had a pro career outside the NBA.

we will have to agree to disagree, I personally am confident that Tillman will be a capable role player very early in his NBA career. I expect him to play high IQ positional defense, be an above average screener/sealer, and be capable of making the correct reads out of the high post and in top of the key actions. He is the only big in this draft who I feel confident in there ability to cover all of these skills. In a perfect world he would be taller, a little quicker and have a 3pt shot but even despite the physical limitations and if the shot doesn't come I would still take him at 26 or 30.
Agree completely. Think Csfan1984 has completely misread Tillman
I say look at draft sites, a majority have Tillman second round. Only a recent hype up based on youtube highlight watching has fans interested in Tillman as a potential 1st rounder. The guy is a second rounder.

Tillman made all big ten, all defensive team and dpoy

Is such resume a 2nd round pick prospect?

They said Draymond Green was not a 1st round pick. How did that turn out?
JJJ made all that and conference player of the year. It's how a player fits and potential growth. Tillman is projected by many sites to be a second rounder. His game production, size and upside show that. Almost anyone can look good in highlights you have to look at all the factors. He isn't a 1.

As for Green numerous teams had him as a 1 and C's infamously debated Green that year for their 1st pick. Green was also the main guy on his team. Green improved every year unlike Tillman. Tillman isn't in that class. So very much Tillman is rightfully placed as a second round prospect. He wasn't better than Green was in college.

Re: Celtics interview list
« Reply #194 on: November 08, 2020, 05:45:56 PM »

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I don't like Tillman unless it's 2nd round. Like Grant Williams I see limited upside.
Jeesh, second round for a playmaking big man who has apparently developed an outside shot, who can also anchor a defence? You realise that’s Stevens’ dream big man right?

I would infinitely prefer going with someone who I know can actually play rather than shooting for potential (like JJJ, Yabu, Fab Melo, etc.)
I looked into Tillman his defense is overrated and based more on effort than ability. He retreats on almost every perimeter play. One on one or in switches he isn't very good. Too many times he couldn't better younger bigs from putting up good numbers against him. I get that he doesn't look lost and he does hustle back so that's great for college but in the pros you need more than that. I haven't seen much play making from him either 3 ast and 2 turnovers is accurate to his skill. His offense is also suspect as I did see him get most his points via easy buckets thanks to others plus his fts % and 3pt % isn't good to project stretch play. He showed little improvements year to year.

Also if the JJJ you are talking about is JaJuan Johnson, JJJ was more of a sure thing and way better prospect than Tillman. Compare their careers, measurements, stats, and awards. JJJ drafted was 22 and Tillman will turn 22 in season. JJJ never added strength and never got better than what he was in college but has had a pro career outside the NBA.

we will have to agree to disagree, I personally am confident that Tillman will be a capable role player very early in his NBA career. I expect him to play high IQ positional defense, be an above average screener/sealer, and be capable of making the correct reads out of the high post and in top of the key actions. He is the only big in this draft who I feel confident in there ability to cover all of these skills. In a perfect world he would be taller, a little quicker and have a 3pt shot but even despite the physical limitations and if the shot doesn't come I would still take him at 26 or 30.
Agree completely. Think Csfan1984 has completely misread Tillman
I say look at draft sites, a majority have Tillman second round. Only a recent hype up based on youtube highlight watching has fans interested in Tillman as a potential 1st rounder. The guy is a second rounder.

Tillman made all big ten, all defensive team and dpoy

Is such resume a 2nd round pick prospect?

They said Draymond Green was not a 1st round pick. How did that turn out?
JJJ made all that and conference player of the year. It's how a player fits and potential growth. Tillman is projected by many sites to be a second rounder. His game production, size and upside show that. Almost anyone can look good in highlights you have to look at all the factors. He isn't a 1.

As for Green numerous teams had him as a 1 and C's infamously debated Green that year for their 1st pick. Green was also the main guy on his team. Green improved every year unlike Tillman. Tillman isn't in that class. So very much Tillman is rightfully placed as a second round prospect. He wasn't better than Green was in college.

Tillman 3rd year vs Green 3rd year college stats is similar.  Tillman stats has improved on a yearly basis

Not sure what you mean