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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2020, 11:46:41 AM »

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Tatum is not eligible for a supermax. 

Supermax deals require eight years of service time.

Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2020, 11:49:03 AM »

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Tatum is not eligible for a supermax. 

Supermax deals require eight years of service time.

its not the true supermax.  But it is considered for players with less than 8 years of service  (if they make all NBA)

It pays more than regular max

Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2020, 11:55:59 AM »

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I think they’re mixing up the Supermax and a Derrick Rose rule extension.

30% of the current salary cap is roughly $32 million.

lets say 32 to 37 million range

Does Tatum deserve such pay over Brown?

Does he get the keys to the car?

He's an All-Star, All-NBA player. You have to max him at this point, there's no reason for him to take a paycut and if you let him go to restricted free agency, he's going to get a max offer sheet. But usually when you make a guy go out into the market, it ends up straining the relationship with the player and the front office. Tatum is going to get paid, I don't see a valid reason why we shouldn't be the team to pay him.

As far as Brown, at the time of his extension, he was coming off a much more murky season. He's played his way into being worth it, but that contract was about hoping he'd meet his potential. If he was up for an extension now, he'd be in the conversation for a max.

But thats the thing. Max and supermax are two different things

Does Ainge have to give Tatum the supermax?  the answer is no

And other teams can offersheet him but only max....

If I was Brown,  I wouldn't be happy if Celts gave Tatum the supermax.  Because the gap is minor... if none. Since Brown is the better defender.  You are announcing that this is Tatum team.  Yet I'm just as good

This is not Curry vs Thompson. Because Curry is clearly more talented even if Thompson is a better two way player

What's the point in insulting the guy? Lowballing him with the trajectory he's had is a silly position to take in a player's league. We finally have a homegrown star, why undervalue him?

Also, I think you're confusing the supermax that Curry and Harden have and the deal Giannis is likely to be offered. Tatum would be eligible for 28% of the cap right now which - assuming there's no increase due to Covid - would be $32m. If he makes another All-NBA or All-Star team, I believe he can get 30% or a starting salary of $34.5. Again, Brown was a victim of timing. He didn't have the best year when he signed his extension and it stands to argue that if he was signing now, he could be a max player. If he hits some of his incentives that are built into his deal, his contract will be worth $29.7m a year. So if Brown gets jealous over a few million, then is he a guy we should be fawning over?
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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2020, 11:57:07 AM »

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Tatum will be offered the max contract that the C's can offer, period.  Danny didn't pull a fast one on Philly to get Tatum at #3 just to let him go later on when he's making all-NBA teams and showing he can be the stud on a title contender.

Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2020, 12:05:34 PM »

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I think they’re mixing up the Supermax and a Derrick Rose rule extension.

30% of the current salary cap is roughly $32 million.

lets say 32 to 37 million range

Does Tatum deserve such pay over Brown?

Does he get the keys to the car?

He's an All-Star, All-NBA player. You have to max him at this point, there's no reason for him to take a paycut and if you let him go to restricted free agency, he's going to get a max offer sheet. But usually when you make a guy go out into the market, it ends up straining the relationship with the player and the front office. Tatum is going to get paid, I don't see a valid reason why we shouldn't be the team to pay him.

As far as Brown, at the time of his extension, he was coming off a much more murky season. He's played his way into being worth it, but that contract was about hoping he'd meet his potential. If he was up for an extension now, he'd be in the conversation for a max.

But thats the thing. Max and supermax are two different things

Does Ainge have to give Tatum the supermax?  the answer is no

And other teams can offersheet him but only max....

If I was Brown,  I wouldn't be happy if Celts gave Tatum the supermax.  Because the gap is minor... if none. Since Brown is the better defender.  You are announcing that this is Tatum team.  Yet I'm just as good

This is not Curry vs Thompson. Because Curry is clearly more talented even if Thompson is a better two way player

What's the point in insulting the guy? Lowballing him with the trajectory he's had is a silly position to take in a player's league. We finally have a homegrown star, why undervalue him?

Also, I think you're confusing the supermax that Curry and Harden have and the deal Giannis is likely to be offered. Tatum would be eligible for 28% of the cap right now which - assuming there's no increase due to Covid - would be $32m. If he makes another All-NBA or All-Star team, I believe he can get 30% or a starting salary of $34.5. Again, Brown was a victim of timing. He didn't have the best year when he signed his extension and it stands to argue that if he was signing now, he could be a max player. If he hits some of his incentives that are built into his deal, his contract will be worth $29.7m a year. So if Brown gets jealous over a few million, then is he a guy we should be fawning over?

Forget about Brown for a sec

I don't think Tatum is a supermax type player.  All that fanfare/marketing hype aside. Tatum overall was a disappointment in the playoffs

He went 0-13 in the 1st quarter vs Heat in the last 3 games.   He shot very poorly in the 4th quarters overall.   He went like 1 for 6 in the 4th last night.  I do like the career high in assist but we needed points, especially late in the game. We needed an answer.  Game 1, 2, 4, 7 .... no answer

For someone who is considered all nba team player. This is hard to digest
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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2020, 12:14:58 PM »

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I can’t take this line of thinking seriously anymore lol

Bottom line, it doesn’t matter what Brown makes or how Brown plays in relation to his salary. Tatum’s contract is its own entity. If you don’t think Tatum is legit or an all-NBA talent, then maybe that’s where we just differ in our assessment of him.


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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2020, 12:26:04 PM »

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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2020, 12:29:52 PM »

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If he continues on his upward trajectory?

Absolutely.


Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2020, 12:30:38 PM »

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I think they’re mixing up the Supermax and a Derrick Rose rule extension.

30% of the current salary cap is roughly $32 million.

lets say 32 to 37 million range

Does Tatum deserve such pay over Brown?

Does he get the keys to the car?

He's an All-Star, All-NBA player. You have to max him at this point, there's no reason for him to take a paycut and if you let him go to restricted free agency, he's going to get a max offer sheet. But usually when you make a guy go out into the market, it ends up straining the relationship with the player and the front office. Tatum is going to get paid, I don't see a valid reason why we shouldn't be the team to pay him.

As far as Brown, at the time of his extension, he was coming off a much more murky season. He's played his way into being worth it, but that contract was about hoping he'd meet his potential. If he was up for an extension now, he'd be in the conversation for a max.

But thats the thing. Max and supermax are two different things

Does Ainge have to give Tatum the supermax?  the answer is no

And other teams can offersheet him but only max....

If I was Brown,  I wouldn't be happy if Celts gave Tatum the supermax.  Because the gap is minor... if none. Since Brown is the better defender.  You are announcing that this is Tatum team.  Yet I'm just as good

This is not Curry vs Thompson. Because Curry is clearly more talented even if Thompson is a better two way player

What's the point in insulting the guy? Lowballing him with the trajectory he's had is a silly position to take in a player's league. We finally have a homegrown star, why undervalue him?

Also, I think you're confusing the supermax that Curry and Harden have and the deal Giannis is likely to be offered. Tatum would be eligible for 28% of the cap right now which - assuming there's no increase due to Covid - would be $32m. If he makes another All-NBA or All-Star team, I believe he can get 30% or a starting salary of $34.5. Again, Brown was a victim of timing. He didn't have the best year when he signed his extension and it stands to argue that if he was signing now, he could be a max player. If he hits some of his incentives that are built into his deal, his contract will be worth $29.7m a year. So if Brown gets jealous over a few million, then is he a guy we should be fawning over?

Forget about Brown for a sec

I don't think Tatum is a supermax type player.  All that fanfare/marketing hype aside. Tatum overall was a disappointment in the playoffs

He went 0-13 in the 1st quarter vs Heat in the last 3 games.   He shot very poorly in the 4th quarters overall.   He went like 1 for 6 in the 4th last night.  I do like the career high in assist but we needed points, especially late in the game. We needed an answer.  Game 1, 2, 4, 7 .... no answer

For someone who is considered all nba team player. This is hard to digest


We're talking about a 22 year old who just averaged 25.7 points, 10 rebounds, and 5 assists in his first playoff run as the primary option. He's good enough right now to warrant a max deal. If you think he can continue to improve, then you absolutely lock him in and do so happily.

There's some sour grapes about the end of our season and I get it. Could he have come up better in spots? Absolutely, but he - along with a few other guys - looked gassed towards the end. In this particular series, he averaged 42 minutes a game.
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Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2020, 12:34:50 PM »

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Sure, if you want to keep being a treadmill team.
In the summer of 2017, I predicted this team would not win a championship for the next 10 years.

3 down, 7 to go.

Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2020, 12:38:03 PM »

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Sure, if you want to keep being a treadmill team.

Right... The wise think would be to lose a 22yo all nbaer who improves every year because you are chesp

Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2020, 12:38:24 PM »

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Sure, if you want to keep being a treadmill team.

Your first post in eight months is a troll comment.  At least you’re consistent.


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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2020, 12:38:28 PM »

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Sure, if you want to keep being a treadmill team.

So if we let him go down the road what direction do you suggest for our team?

I get that we're ALL upset at the out come recently but this team needs to build around...keep...Tatum and Brown.

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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2020, 12:43:43 PM »

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I paid attention to the post-game interactions last night - as painful as it was.

SO MANY Heat players hugged Tatum...spoke in his ear for several minutes..Haslem being one of them.

That is RESPECT.

Tatum's star is BRIGHT...and it will only get brighter.

I trust BOS to do the right thing and continue down the road of contention. To do THAT you need horses and Jaylen AND Jayson are our two I believe.

Re: Does it make sense and would you give Tatum a supermax contract?
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2020, 12:44:18 PM »

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If there is one thing we know about our future, is that Brown and Tatum are barely untradable. Last year we made a choice and it is the good one.  Offensively the sky is the limit for Tatum and I think next year he will make an NBA first team season. So of course we have to pay him the max