Does Hayward pickup his player option or leave for a longer contract?

[Stig]

I think he will opt in if he's confident about himself, the team has a poor bench so he'll have plenty of play time, as long as he stays healthy and put the same production next year, he can still command 25million a year, maybe with a 3 year contract instead of 4.

If he's so eager for a long term contract right now, then as an owner I'd be a little concerned, think of Al Horford last year.

[gouki88]

Think the Hayward opts in and Cs try to extend him for a lower AAV.

I don’t think ownership will let danny do that. Unless Hayward takes a 7-8 M a year contract after next season I think he’s gone sooner or later before next season starts.

Huh?? You really think Hayward is only worth $8 mil per??? I think the Cs can get Hayward on an 3 year extension worth around $20 mil per. I think that’s roughly what he’s worth.

If he opts in and has another year like this one he is a MLE player.

He averaged 18,6,5 as the 4th option on the Cs while shooting at a 50/38/86 clip. He’s worth significantly more than the MLE and he’ll get it in this league.

And can't stay healthy. What is the point of being good for 40 games when the season is 82+.

Hayward has only once played 40 games or less, it was when he broke his ankle.

Enough of those facts, they’re getting in the way of peoples narratives!

[Csfan1984]

Think the Hayward opts in and Cs try to extend him for a lower AAV.

I don’t think ownership will let danny do that. Unless Hayward takes a 7-8 M a year contract after next season I think he’s gone sooner or later before next season starts.

Huh?? You really think Hayward is only worth $8 mil per??? I think the Cs can get Hayward on an 3 year extension worth around $20 mil per. I think that’s roughly what he’s worth.

If he opts in and has another year like this one he is a MLE player.

He averaged 18,6,5 as the 4th option on the Cs while shooting at a 50/38/86 clip. He’s worth significantly more than the MLE and he’ll get it in this league.

And can't stay healthy. What is the point of being good for 40 games when the season is 82+.

Hayward has only once played 40 games or less, it was when he broke his ankle.

I said being good not games played.

[RPGenerate]

Think the Hayward opts in and Cs try to extend him for a lower AAV.

I don’t think ownership will let danny do that. Unless Hayward takes a 7-8 M a year contract after next season I think he’s gone sooner or later before next season starts.

Huh?? You really think Hayward is only worth $8 mil per??? I think the Cs can get Hayward on an 3 year extension worth around $20 mil per. I think that’s roughly what he’s worth.

If he opts in and has another year like this one he is a MLE player.

He averaged 18,6,5 as the 4th option on the Cs while shooting at a 50/38/86 clip. He’s worth significantly more than the MLE and he’ll get it in this league.

And can't stay healthy. What is the point of being good for 40 games when the season is 82+.

Hayward has only once played 40 games or less, it was when he broke his ankle.

I said being good not games played.

And you're still wrong, because he played really well this season, and he played 52 games in a shortened season. Regardless of any of this, there is a zero percent chance he's only gonna get the MLE, unless some catastrophic injury happens.

[pearljammer10]

There is literally zero chance Hayward opts out of this 34 million dollar deal, mainly because no one is going to offer him another max deal or a hefty long term deal.

Take the money, prove your healthy, cash in on a long term deal next year.

[Big333223]

There is literally zero chance Hayward opts out of this 34 million dollar deal, mainly because no one is going to offer him another max deal or a hefty long term deal.

Take the money, prove your healthy, cash in on a long term deal next year.

TP. This seems the most logical thinking, to me.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

There is literally zero chance Hayward opts out of this 34 million dollar deal, mainly because no one is going to offer him another max deal or a hefty long term deal.

Take the money, prove your healthy, cash in on a long term deal next year.

But that's just it. If the Celtics offered him a 4 year, 20 million dollar  a year deal if he opted out, he might consider it. If he opted in, he would be betting that he'd be able to get at least 46 million in the three years following this year's contract, or roughly 15 million a year. He might get that. I think that's roughly what he is worth for the Celtics because of their roster construction. But he might feel like he is worth more--indeed, he probably could get a bigger contract from a lottery team wanting to get into the playoffs.

But there is another complication. The salary cap will adjust with Covid from this year, and there will be a ton of free agents available in the summer 2021, which means he would have competition for his next contract. He could find himself with nothing more than an MLE, especially if he has ankle problems this year. In that case, by opting in to his 34 million dollars, and getting a 3 year MLE, he would have lost roughly 15 million dollars compared to the 4 year, 20 million dollar a year extension that the Cs might offer him this off-season.

Opting in, but only getting an MLE next off-season because of competition: 2021, 34 million, 2022 10m, 2023 10m, 2024 10m for a total of 64 million over 4 years.

Opting out and resigning with Cs for 4 years 20 million would give him 80 million over the next four years.

[Csfan1984]

Think the Hayward opts in and Cs try to extend him for a lower AAV.

I don’t think ownership will let danny do that. Unless Hayward takes a 7-8 M a year contract after next season I think he’s gone sooner or later before next season starts.

Huh?? You really think Hayward is only worth $8 mil per??? I think the Cs can get Hayward on an 3 year extension worth around $20 mil per. I think that’s roughly what he’s worth.

If he opts in and has another year like this one he is a MLE player.

He averaged 18,6,5 as the 4th option on the Cs while shooting at a 50/38/86 clip. He’s worth significantly more than the MLE and he’ll get it in this league.

And can't stay healthy. What is the point of being good for 40 games when the season is 82+.

Hayward has only once played 40 games or less, it was when he broke his ankle.

I said being good not games played.

And you're still wrong, because he played really well this season, and he played 52 games in a shortened season. Regardless of any of this, there is a zero percent chance he's only gonna get the MLE, unless some catastrophic injury happens.

I absolutely feel Im right. Just like with Al last year when I said I wouldn't pay him more than the MLE and got heat. Just because a guy might get more doesn't mean that player is worth that money come season time. If Hayward misses any time due to injury and plays like he has here he is a MLE player. Let someone else make the mistake of paying him more.

[Birdman]

He be crazy not to..34 million!!!!

[DefenseWinsChamps]

He be crazy not to..34 million!!!!

Again, it's not just about the 34 million next year. It's about his earning ability throughout the rest of his career. If he opts in, but next off-season is only able to get an MLE or something in the low teens per year, then over the next five years, he would make roughly 94 million total (with this year's opt-in).

But if he opts out and the Cs give him a 5 year, 20 million dollar a year contract, he would earn more throughout the next five years, even if he earned less in the first year because he opted-out.

It comes down to risk. If he thinks he can stay healthy and produce solid numbers in Boston this season, then his value is probably more like 20 million a year starting next season, making his 5 year earnings something more like 114 million dollars. But there are three risks with that: 1) His injuries--another significant injury would likely mean a big, long-term contract is not coming. 2) If there is a dip in his production this year, then he would likely not command as much next off-season. That is something that is likely with so many mouths to feed at his same position in Boston. 3) There are a lot of good free agents in next year's free agency, which might mean there would be less big contracts to go around, leaving only MLEs for Hayward (roughly 10 million a year).

Its about his risk tolerance. My read on Gordon Hayward is that he is much more likely to opt-out and take a discount to stay in Boston on a long-term deal. I think guilt over his injuries could influence him. I think the desire for long-term money and the the concern of future injuries could influence him. I think the desire to play for Brad Stevens could influence him.

[konkmv]

Hope he opts in to get tradd

[RJ87]

Think the Hayward opts in and Cs try to extend him for a lower AAV.

I don’t think ownership will let danny do that. Unless Hayward takes a 7-8 M a year contract after next season I think he’s gone sooner or later before next season starts.

Huh?? You really think Hayward is only worth $8 mil per??? I think the Cs can get Hayward on an 3 year extension worth around $20 mil per. I think that’s roughly what he’s worth.

If he opts in and has another year like this one he is a MLE player.

He averaged 18,6,5 as the 4th option on the Cs while shooting at a 50/38/86 clip. He’s worth significantly more than the MLE and he’ll get it in this league.

And can't stay healthy. What is the point of being good for 40 games when the season is 82+.

Hayward has only once played 40 games or less, it was when he broke his ankle.

I said being good not games played.

And you're still wrong, because he played really well this season, and he played 52 games in a shortened season. Regardless of any of this, there is a zero percent chance he's only gonna get the MLE, unless some catastrophic injury happens.

I absolutely feel Im right. Just like with Al last year when I said I wouldn't pay him more than the MLE and got heat. Just because a guy might get more doesn't mean that player is worth that money come season time. If Hayward misses any time due to injury and plays like he has here he is a MLE player. Let someone else make the mistake of paying him more.

I don't think Hayward is a max player, but trying to say he's an MLE guy is kind of a joke. He averaged 17.5/6.7/4.1 while flirting with 50/40/90 percentages this season. He's worth at least Reddick/Hardaway Jr. money.

[NKY fan]

Think the Hayward opts in and Cs try to extend him for a lower AAV.

I don’t think ownership will let danny do that. Unless Hayward takes a 7-8 M a year contract after next season I think he’s gone sooner or later before next season starts.

Huh?? You really think Hayward is only worth $8 mil per??? I think the Cs can get Hayward on an 3 year extension worth around $20 mil per. I think that’s roughly what he’s worth.

If he opts in and has another year like this one he is a MLE player.

He averaged 18,6,5 as the 4th option on the Cs while shooting at a 50/38/86 clip. He’s worth significantly more than the MLE and he’ll get it in this league.

And can't stay healthy. What is the point of being good for 40 games when the season is 82+.

Hayward has only once played 40 games or less, it was when he broke his ankle.

I said being good not games played.

And you're still wrong, because he played really well this season, and he played 52 games in a shortened season. Regardless of any of this, there is a zero percent chance he's only gonna get the MLE, unless some catastrophic injury happens.

I absolutely feel Im right. Just like with Al last year when I said I wouldn't pay him more than the MLE and got heat. Just because a guy might get more doesn't mean that player is worth that money come season time. If Hayward misses any time due to injury and plays like he has here he is a MLE player. Let someone else make the mistake of paying him more.

I don't think Hayward is a max player, but trying to say he's an MLE guy is kind of a joke. He averaged 17.5/6.7/4.1 while flirting with 50/40/90 percentages this season. He's worth at least Reddick/Hardaway Jr. money.

Hayward can average all he wants but if I had to choose between him and rondo for the ECF series against heat I’m picking Rajon and not thinking twice. Rondo makes a third of the MLE

[KungPoweChicken]

I believe there would be interest in offering Hayward a four year deal between 80 and 90 million: Phoenix, New Orleans, and Atlanta come to mind off the top of my head. Young teams with cap space could use his veteran presence as they make a push for a playoff birth. This would ensure Hayward an additional guaranteed 50 million. With his injury history, that's good security.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I believe there would be interest in offering Hayward a four year deal between 80 and 90 million: Phoenix, New Orleans, and Atlanta come to mind off the top of my head. Young teams with cap space could use his veteran presence as they make a push for a playoff birth. This would ensure Hayward an additional guaranteed 50 million. With his injury history, that's good security.

The Pelicans don't have the space. Atlanta would. The Suns would have to renounce everyone to make an offer, including Baynes and Saric. I guess they could do that.