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Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« on: September 28, 2020, 05:28:32 AM »

Offline Rikibellevie

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Maybe more than doubting long way about Stevens or Kemba (future will tell us, but both of them are not in position to leave right now), there is a question about the immobility of Danny this year... I was personnally dispaointed not seeing us moving before dead line, when teams like.... Heat... Made very important moves.

We begun year without any high expecations, many of us, like I did, were exited about seeing what JT, JB had in their stomach. For this we have been entertained all year. Happy also to see toxic players leaving (Irving, Rozier, Morris). In bringing the good guy Kemba, Danny also changed the pace of the team. Trying to developp rookies who can step up when JT and JB reach  their top level. Good plan about finishing a skyscraper where fondations are valeryan iron.

But Danny didn't believe we should give up assets to improve this year... Even when he saw the supersonic improovement of our two rising stars. When we see players like Crowder and Iggy taking such a big part in our elimation and the price for that guys, maybe just in bringing a little more experience and D day talent, we could have succeed already this year... We had assets to go for a trade : picks, Langford even GH if they didn't believe in him after next year. Players like Iggy, Crowder, Capella, Valanciunas, Drummond, even mayb Beal in giving GH, Smart and 2 or 3 picks.
Maybe, and it's ironic, Dannys attentism, built our lost in ECF... But maybe afterall it is better like that, as we probably would have lost ag Lakers in final.
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Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 06:05:00 AM »

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It certainly hurts. Seeing guys like Burks and Glenn Robinson III acquired for next to nothing while we sat on our hands was painful. That being said, I didn’t think we had a legit chance until after the trade deadline, so it would be hypocritical of me to get too worked up about that.

Hopefully we either retool, meaning we draft a guy who can contribute immediately (just look at Herro), consolidate some draft choices to add a veteran big like Baynes, and sign a shooter like Burks off the bench.

Or we go absolutely mad and fire off some big time trades, like ones I detailed in another thread about shipping Hayward and Kemba. Not sure which way I want to go. Now that the heat of the battle, so to speak, has tempered, I think we should retool. But I’m still open to anything
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Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2020, 06:05:25 AM »

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Danny is following his plan :
Contend every year while making as many draft picks as he can. When we eventually lose in the ECF or in the semi the excuse is always the same - we are developing youth and the future is bright.
Don’t believe that? See the excitement fans have about TimeLord and Romeo. Next season the excitement will be about the 4 new rookies and possibly Tacko again.

Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2020, 08:59:08 AM »

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In retrospect, yes.  If you knew in February that this team would be in the ECF, I imagine you would trade assets to improve the bench.

Easy to say in hindsight though.
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Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2020, 09:10:38 AM »

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I would say we also did not believe, so why to blame him?
The fact is that an opportunity opened suddenly by beating Raptors. It gave us a chance to beat another lower seeded team to reach finals. We failed. That's it. For me, personaly, Stevens failed. Spoelstra just showed he's better coach.

We couldn't have afforded to play bad and win the game and Miami could have. They played bad for most of the part of 1st two games and ywt they won. This brings us back to coaches.

Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2020, 09:14:24 AM »

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No because I don't think there was much opportunity to do anything at this trade deadline. Better off to hold onto the young players & picks until a better opportunity shows itself. Ainge made the right decision.

You do not want to sell off your assets (young players / picks) cheap. You do not want to sell out your future by going all in on old vets who are only small improvements on the team. Wait for the right opportunity, then strike. A bigger better improvement.

Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2020, 09:41:36 AM »

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Danny isn't getting any younger, and it's been 12 years since a title.

He's drafted great, but he needs a center to match up with bigs like Bam and Howard/Davis in the playoffs.

And, I might add, a coach who will play him 25-30 mins.

Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2020, 09:57:50 AM »

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It certainly hurts. Seeing guys like Burks and Glenn Robinson III acquired for next to nothing while we sat on our hands was painful. That being said, I didn’t think we had a legit chance until after the trade deadline, so it would be hypocritical of me to get too worked up about that.

Hopefully we either retool, meaning we draft a guy who can contribute immediately (just look at Herro), consolidate some draft choices to add a veteran big like Baynes, and sign a shooter like Burks off the bench.

Or we go absolutely mad and fire off some big time trades, like ones I detailed in another thread about shipping Hayward and Kemba. Not sure which way I want to go. Now that the heat of the battle, so to speak, has tempered, I think we should retool. But I’m still open to anything


Liked your idea of Hayward, Langford and pick 26 for Vucevic. Hope that becomes a reality. We really need some veteran proven quality big man inside. And we need scorers off the bench, who are not afraid of taking it to the rim.


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Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2020, 10:10:03 AM »

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Apparently Ainge was banking on adding a big man vet from FA buyouts that never happened due to covid:

https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/1310496419040628741

Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2020, 10:25:18 AM »

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Apparently Ainge was banking on adding a big man vet from FA buyouts that never happened due to covid:

https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/1310496419040628741
I like the fit but not sure how the Cs get him. Do Cs even have MLE and would that even be enough for TT? He’s no doubt be starting caliber material for this team.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2020, 10:25:54 AM »

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Apparently Ainge was banking on adding a big man vet from FA buyouts that never happened due to covid:

https://twitter.com/RealBobManning/status/1310496419040628741

Ouch, didn't realize it. It makes sense

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2020, 10:34:17 AM »

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One of the reasons the Cs have sustained their winning is DA not making huge reactionary moves. He historically avoids short sighted trades.

My big WHAT IF for this season has to be Bertans

 https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/06/nba-boston-celtics-davis-bertans-trade-a-no-go/

I'm not sure what the Wizards where asking or if they where serious about a deal but landing Bertans without effecting the Cs top 6 guys would have placed this team in the finals.



also frustrating to think what could have been if Al could have known that Kemba was going to pick Boston.   
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Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2020, 10:34:36 AM »

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this is painful to see.  I hope Danny and Brad realize that the Celtics let this one slip.  So many excuses from Brad.   Like everything is great and Heat deserved it.  They are the best team from the east.   

Its such a soft mindset.

Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2020, 10:40:32 AM »

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One of the reasons the Cs have sustained their winning is DA not making huge reactionary moves. He historically avoids short sighted trades.

My big WHAT IF for this season has to be Bertans

 https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/06/nba-boston-celtics-davis-bertans-trade-a-no-go/

I'm not sure what the Wizards where asking or if they where serious about a deal but landing Bertans without effecting the Cs top 6 guys would have placed this team in the finals.



also frustrating to think what could have been if Al could have known that Kemba was going to pick Boston.
Right except that his only ring came as a result of somewhat reactionary trades. Pierce was threatening to leave and they had to appease him. It just that Seattle and Minnesota didn’t ask for too much for their stars at the time.
He had such chances with butler , George and Kawhi but passed so far..

Now he keeps all his assets to strike when the time comes and the time never comes .. or the time will come but there will be no more draft picks to trade.
It could be the same situation with Tatum in 4 years.

Re: Did Danny made a mistake in not believing our chances this year?
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One of the reasons the Cs have sustained their winning is DA not making huge reactionary moves. He historically avoids short sighted trades.

My big WHAT IF for this season has to be Bertans

 https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/06/nba-boston-celtics-davis-bertans-trade-a-no-go/

I'm not sure what the Wizards where asking or if they where serious about a deal but landing Bertans without effecting the Cs top 6 guys would have placed this team in the finals.



also frustrating to think what could have been if Al could have known that Kemba was going to pick Boston.
The dude sat out the bubble because he didn’t want to get hurt because he wants to cash in in the offseason. Imagine wasting draft assets to have the player just sit out the entire playoffs???