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Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2020, 10:45:50 PM »

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I hate to say it but I think the team can move on from Smart too. He’s definitely deserving of 1st team all D and has been such a fan favorite but the growth of Brown and Tatum on the defensive end has given us stoppers on the perimeter.

It’s not a necessity to move him but he’s not as indispensable as he used to be.
Thing about Smart is I doubt you could ever get fair value for him. He's underpaid, and is the heart and soul of our culture. His offence is easy to replace, but his defence and leadership is not
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Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2020, 10:48:29 PM »

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I hate to say it but I think the team can move on from Smart too. He’s definitely deserving of 1st team all D and has been such a fan favorite but the growth of Brown and Tatum on the defensive end has given us stoppers on the perimeter.

It’s not a necessity to move him but he’s not as indispensable as he used to be.
Interesting I have seen warriors fans proposing trading for smart for pick #2... don’t tell danny lol

Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2020, 10:54:18 PM »

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I hate to say it but I think the team can move on from Smart too. He’s definitely deserving of 1st team all D and has been such a fan favorite but the growth of Brown and Tatum on the defensive end has given us stoppers on the perimeter.

It’s not a necessity to move him but he’s not as indispensable as he used to be.
Thing about Smart is I doubt you could ever get fair value for him. He's underpaid, and is the heart and soul of our culture. His offence is easy to replace, but his defence and leadership is not

im not sure you can sure about that leadership narrative after what happened in the locker room.   that behavior wears people out.  tatum and brown will be the leaders moving forward.   Marcus seems to need a change of scenery.    maybe more of a veteran team.

Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2020, 10:54:46 PM »

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I hate to say it but I think the team can move on from Smart too. He’s definitely deserving of 1st team all D and has been such a fan favorite but the growth of Brown and Tatum on the defensive end has given us stoppers on the perimeter.

It’s not a necessity to move him but he’s not as indispensable as he used to be.
Thing about Smart is I doubt you could ever get fair value for him. He's underpaid, and is the heart and soul of our culture. His offence is easy to replace, but his defence and leadership is not

Definitely he’s underpaid. And Gordon is overpaid. If you get rid of Smart, the guy coming in is either a culture on his own, or DA has to shell out roster slots for championship vets.

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Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2020, 10:56:45 PM »

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So absurd.  Our best players are still getting better.


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Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2020, 10:58:40 PM »

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Yes, we are at our ceiling right now and this is because basketball is a team sport. For example, as great as the Thunder were with KD, Russ, and Serge, they were likely at their ceiling because of how the rest of the team was built. On that note...

Tatum-Brown-Kemba

Those are your 3 best players, in that order. Keep those 3 and think about retooling this team. What do those 3 need to be successful? Who are the next 5-6 guys you need in your rotation?

Theis, I think is a no brainer. Keep him. But ideally he’s a backup
Grant Williams too. If he improves (especially his shooting) he can be big for us. But I think he can make strides to be your starting 4, as a corner knockdown shooter.
And that’s about it.

- C’s need a vet playmaker
- C’s need a shooter specialist
- C’s need a mobile, coachable big who can make high IQ plays but doesn’t need plays run for him to be effective

Those for me are the high prio skillsets. We don’t have a shooter, and we’re overloaded with playmakers and inefficient scorers.

agree with most everything with one significant exception: the three best players whom the c’s should build around are tatum, brown, smart.

marcus shot poorly tonight and his penchant for jacking threes can be excruciatingly frustrating but let’s not allow tonight’s pain to blind us from the games during these playoffs when he carried us and this forum was ready to deify him. kemba was not only a complete no-show this playoffs, but he was a huge liability in the final two rounds.

if danny adds exactly what you mentioned, a vet playmaker, a shooter, and a quality big, marcus doesn’t need to shoot as much, and can focus on facilitating on offense, in which he excels. find a poor man’s rondo who doesn’t expect to score but sets up tatum and brown, and isn’t a defensive liability, and we’re a much improved team.

Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2020, 11:02:50 PM »

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So absurd.  Our best players are still getting better.


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Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2020, 11:06:37 PM »

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The best version of this team has Smart on it. I would never ever trade him. especially given what he costs.
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Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2020, 11:09:07 PM »

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The best version of this team has Smart on it. I would never ever trade him. especially given what he costs.
JB and Smart is the last players I would shop. Tatum's mental approach seems questionable but I would hold on him too.

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2020, 11:10:48 PM »

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The best version of this team has Smart on it. I would never ever trade him. especially given what he costs.

So you would still keep him after seeing him pull up to brick 3's after 3's?


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Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2020, 11:11:56 PM »

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IMO, no major changes needed. Draft well, maybe replace a couple of role players and continue the progress of the young guys. Barring some incredibly advantageous trade opportunity will appear, that's the path C's should stay on.

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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2020, 11:14:58 PM »

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The best version of this team has Smart on it. I would never ever trade him. especially given what he costs.

So you would still keep him after seeing him pull up to brick 3's after 3's?

Considering he's all defense on the other end of the floor? Yes. 


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Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #42 on: September 27, 2020, 11:18:28 PM »

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The best version of this team has Smart on it. I would never ever trade him. especially given what he costs.

So you would still keep him after seeing him pull up to brick 3's after 3's?
We can reduce those ill-advised shots if only Brad had the gull to reprimand Smart with those poor decision making. He also let guys like Rozier and Morris take shots from our main core guys.

Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #43 on: September 27, 2020, 11:21:30 PM »

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The best version of this team has Smart on it. I would never ever trade him. especially given what he costs.

So you would still keep him after seeing him pull up to brick 3's after 3's?

I generally believe Smart's 3 point volume is a symptom of other things not clicking on offense.  He tends to take more when the rest of team is lacking rhythm.  More often than not he will defer if the rest of the team is hot.

Re: This team reached it's ceiling
« Reply #44 on: September 27, 2020, 11:33:29 PM »

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Your cornerstones are JB/JT/Smart.

The best course of action is to run the best five back and then clean up the glut of young players on the bench with some quality veteran  role players (a shooter and a big not named Kanter).

I know everyone is reactionary right now but this team ain’t that far off.