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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2020, 04:32:49 PM »

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I wouldn't say Hayward is a bad fit. Brown and Tatum are definitely better with Hayward. But Hayward is over paid right now and probably won't resign cheap enough.

Any way the C's can flip him for a solid starting big who can actually score/defend/rebound, and a critical bench piece?

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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2020, 04:48:26 PM »

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If you were starting your franchise with Tatum and Brown, what other types of players would you plug in around them?
A knockdown shooter at SG would fit great with Tatum and Jaylen at the forward slots. Someone who shots with both accuracy and high volume from 3. Someone like Buddy Hield or Herro. That type of an offensive threat. That would be great alongside Tatum, Jaylen and Kemba. Open up the offense more. Give everyone more space to operate.

A more dynamic starting big man would also be a great option.

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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2020, 06:01:39 PM »

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If you were starting your franchise with Tatum and Brown, what other types of players would you plug in around them?
A knockdown shooter at SG would fit great with Tatum and Jaylen at the forward slots. Someone who shots with both accuracy and high volume from 3. Someone like Buddy Hield or Herro. That type of an offensive threat. That would be great alongside Tatum, Jaylen and Kemba. Open up the offense more. Give everyone more space to operate.

A more dynamic starting big man would also be a great option.

Herro would have been perfect, which is why Ainge slammed the table when the Heat took him a pick before us. If we had him right now we'd be preparing to destroy the Lakers and build a dynasty.

The extra kick in the pants there is that the Cs and Miami were tied for that draft spot. Miami picked before Boston because they won the coin toss! (Some on this site will now blame Danny for losing the toss.)

Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2020, 06:14:22 PM »

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If Atlanta is as indecisive as reports indicate, John Collins would be the perfect target and addition to Tatum/Brown.

Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2020, 06:30:21 PM »

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If you were starting your franchise with Tatum and Brown, what other types of players would you plug in around them?
A knockdown shooter at SG would fit great with Tatum and Jaylen at the forward slots. Someone who shots with both accuracy and high volume from 3. Someone like Buddy Hield or Herro. That type of an offensive threat. That would be great alongside Tatum, Jaylen and Kemba. Open up the offense more. Give everyone more space to operate.

A more dynamic starting big man would also be a great option.

Herro would have been perfect, which is why Ainge slammed the table when the Heat took him a pick before us. If we had him right now we'd be preparing to destroy the Lakers and build a dynasty.

The extra kick in the pants there is that the Cs and Miami were tied for that draft spot. Miami picked before Boston because they won the coin toss! (Some on this site will now blame Danny for losing the toss.)

Yep. It was a three-way tie with Charlotte and Miami, and we ended up with the worst of the picks.

In some alternate universe, we ended up with both Herro and Brandon Clarke.


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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2020, 07:32:45 PM »

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I wouldn't say Hayward is a bad fit. Brown and Tatum are definitely better with Hayward. But Hayward is over paid right now and probably won't resign cheap enough.

Any way the C's can flip him for a solid starting big who can actually score/defend/rebound, and a critical bench piece?

Adams + Schroder for Hayward + Kanter + #1
I'm one of Hayward's biggest fans. That being said, I would find it very very hard to turn down this offer. Not sure if the Thunder want Hayward moving forward, but if he takes his option and expires at the same time as CP3 that's a heap of money freed up at once
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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2020, 09:09:45 PM »

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I wouldn't say Hayward is a bad fit. Brown and Tatum are definitely better with Hayward. But Hayward is over paid right now and probably won't resign cheap enough.

Any way the C's can flip him for a solid starting big who can actually score/defend/rebound, and a critical bench piece?

Adams + Schroder for Hayward + Kanter + #1

I mean I dont really think Adams is actually that good, he's fast becoming a guy who can't  stay on the floor in playoff time. I'm not sure why the c's should have to add a pick.

Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2020, 11:32:16 PM »

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With Indiana having problems with playing Turner and Sabonis together, I think Myles Turner could be a possible target? Imagine him being plugged into Theis’ role...a defensive big who can shoot 3s consistently. Plus he’s just 24 or 25 years old...perfect for JT and JB’s timeline.

Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2020, 01:38:06 AM »

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With Indiana having problems with playing Turner and Sabonis together, I think Myles Turner could be a possible target? Imagine him being plugged into Theis’ role...a defensive big who can shoot 3s consistently. Plus he’s just 24 or 25 years old...perfect for JT and JB’s timeline.
Except he can't shoot 3s consistently, and is a terrible rebounder
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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2020, 01:42:58 AM »

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If you were starting your franchise with Tatum and Brown, what other types of players would you plug in around them?
A knockdown shooter at SG would fit great with Tatum and Jaylen at the forward slots. Someone who shots with both accuracy and high volume from 3. Someone like Buddy Hield or Herro. That type of an offensive threat. That would be great alongside Tatum, Jaylen and Kemba. Open up the offense more. Give everyone more space to operate.

A more dynamic starting big man would also be a great option.

Herro would have been perfect, which is why Ainge slammed the table when the Heat took him a pick before us. If we had him right now we'd be preparing to destroy the Lakers and build a dynasty.

Did Ainge really slam a table?

Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2020, 04:17:50 AM »

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Reading some of the comments, let me just clarify. We’re a very good team and Hayward fits because, well, GH is a good player. Good players (with good attitudes) tend to make things work. Plus, we’re in the ECF and a 3rd seed. So my question wasn’t about turning a bad team into a good one. It was more turning a good team into a team that makes you think championship. Another note is that Tatum is only like 22. So really, you’re looking at a good ways away down the road - likely 2 years onwards.

A suggestion I saw that I really like is Buddy Hield. I don’t know how to acquire him but a knockdown shooter who isn’t a defensive liability is a talent the C’s want, IMO. Theis getting love and rightfully so, but I still think in an ideal world, Theis should be coming off the bench. And I don’t think a 3-pt shooting big is a pre-requisite here (I mean, a possession that ends in a Theis 3 is one that probably exhausted a lot of options). But definitely someone who can at least make a mid-range, who is high IQ, and can be like Smart - aka doing the dirty work and gumming things up.

As the years go by (like 2 years later?), I think we’ll start seeing too that Kemba isn’t the greatest fit alongside these 2 guys. He’s such a great fit, chemistry-wise though, and currently we need him to take the pressure off of Tatum in terms of lead shot maker. Hopefully he takes a discount or something when his contract is up.

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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2020, 04:57:08 AM »

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Jaylen is easily my fav player on this team.

That being said, I would seriously consider a KAT trade.
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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2020, 05:54:41 AM »

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Jaylen is easily my fav player on this team.

That being said, I would seriously consider a KAT trade.
KAT in my mind has the best scoring arsenal of any big man in the league. If he keeps doing what he’s doing he’ll go down as the greatest shooting big of all time.

Question is, can he play acceptable enough defence for Brad?
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Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2020, 06:31:45 AM »

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With Indiana having problems with playing Turner and Sabonis together, I think Myles Turner could be a possible target? Imagine him being plugged into Theis’ role...a defensive big who can shoot 3s consistently. Plus he’s just 24 or 25 years old...perfect for JT and JB’s timeline.
Except he can't shoot 3s consistently, and is a terrible rebounder

Yeah, I'm not high on Myles Turner either. Also he gets abused in the post against fysical big men.
If you think Theis is bad against Embiid/Jokic then you haven't seen Turner yet.
Last time Indiana played Philadelphia in about 15 minutes Turner was fouled out.

I have more faith in Robert Williams than Myles Turner.

Re: Its time for Danny to build around Tatum/Brown
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2020, 07:23:18 AM »

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Reading some of the comments, let me just clarify. We’re a very good team and Hayward fits because, well, GH is a good player. Good players (with good attitudes) tend to make things work. Plus, we’re in the ECF and a 3rd seed. So my question wasn’t about turning a bad team into a good one. It was more turning a good team into a team that makes you think championship. Another note is that Tatum is only like 22. So really, you’re looking at a good ways away down the road - likely 2 years onwards.

A suggestion I saw that I really like is Buddy Hield. I don’t know how to acquire him but a knockdown shooter who isn’t a defensive liability is a talent the C’s want, IMO. Theis getting love and rightfully so, but I still think in an ideal world, Theis should be coming off the bench. And I don’t think a 3-pt shooting big is a pre-requisite here (I mean, a possession that ends in a Theis 3 is one that probably exhausted a lot of options). But definitely someone who can at least make a mid-range, who is high IQ, and can be like Smart - aka doing the dirty work and gumming things up.

As the years go by (like 2 years later?), I think we’ll start seeing too that Kemba isn’t the greatest fit alongside these 2 guys. He’s such a great fit, chemistry-wise though, and currently we need him to take the pressure off of Tatum in terms of lead shot maker. Hopefully he takes a discount or something when his contract is up.

If you think Hield is not a defensive liability, you might not have been following his career closely. He is. It's one of the reasons he didn't start as much this year and his minutes went down.

I think he has potential to get better--he seems like a hard worker and is teachable. But right now, he is a defensive liability.

Also, I think you could argue that Buddy Hield's "prime" years fits better with a Hayward core than a Tatum/Brown core.