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Re: Next year
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2020, 07:07:01 PM »

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I would be thrilled if we could get Tristan Thompson for the MLE.  We could use his rebounding.

Re: Next year
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2020, 07:16:11 PM »

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I'm partial to Spotrac for tracking free agents

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/


Some names that stand out to me:

Jeff Teague -- Might be available for a reasonable price on a short (1-2) year deal.  Not a great player, just an OK shooter, but more reliable as a playmaker than Wanamaker by a mile.

DJ Augustin - Similar thoughts on him to what I said about Teague.

Jordan Clarkson -- I've never been a fan but he's kind of like the guard version of Kanter.  Maybe a full MLE option though Utah might want to keep him.

Mo Harkless -- I bet he'll get overpaid b/c he's still young and has shown 3/D ability.  But he could be a good Semi replacement.

Juancho Hernangomez -- Not sure how good he actually is but I always found him kind of intriguing.  Theoretically a wing shooter with size.  Should be affordable but who knows, people overpay for wing shooting.


Tristan Thompson -- He's finally a UFA.  How much will he get paid?  I feel like he still has the ability to be a useful player for 15-20 minutes a night.  He's only 28.  His skillset seems less and less worth paying for in today's NBA though. 

Aron Baynes-- Old friend Aron.  Kinda long in the tooth at this point (33 y/o) but he doesn't have a lot of mileage on him.  Might want to stay in PHX.


Alex Len - I think he's a decent player, nothing special.  Might not be too pricey.
Not on the list but a guy we can get for first rounder is Dennis Shroeder .. just need to scrap $10M in outgoing salary.
He can give us quality 25 minutes off the bench and is typically healthy.
Another guy For the back up big spot ... who also has crazy advanced stats is nerlens Noel ... he will cost some portion of the MLE
I’d like to see them pick up a big man with deep playoff experience.  Either Baynes or TT would be fine by me.

Re: Next year
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2020, 07:20:07 PM »

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I would be thrilled if we could get Tristan Thompson for the MLE.  We could use his rebounding.

We have a good/great rebounder in Kanter. Don’t see how Brad uses TT significantly more than he would Kanter, which is reliant on specific matchups.
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Re: Next year
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2020, 07:26:22 PM »

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I would be thrilled if we could get Tristan Thompson for the MLE.  We could use his rebounding.

We have a good/great rebounder in Kanter. Don’t see how Brad uses TT significantly more than he would Kanter, which is reliant on specific matchups.

Well, to be fair, Tristan Thompson is a better pick and roll defender than Enes Kanter.
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Re: Next year
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2020, 07:37:36 PM »

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Re: Next year
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2020, 08:14:23 PM »

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I would be thrilled if we could get Tristan Thompson for the MLE.  We could use his rebounding.

We have a good/great rebounder in Kanter. Don’t see how Brad uses TT significantly more than he would Kanter, which is reliant on specific matchups.

Well, to be fair, Tristan Thompson is a better pick and roll defender than Enes Kanter.

This is the key.  Defense and rebounding.  Offense is a bonus.  With our other players we have plenty of O.  I would prefer to swap out Kanter for a D and R minded PF or C.  If a C then Theis can play a little PF.  If a PF then the opposite.  Theis,Time lord, and new guy is enough.  Wannaker is not our problem at 3rd string PG, but an upgrade there would not hurt.  I think I would prefer a lights out scorer in the SG spot myself.  The young guys we have are not going to be that.  THis is a defensive team first.  Lets add to that.

Re: Next year
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2020, 12:43:38 AM »

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I suspect that Danny will once again to little or nothing to address the bench woes.

I'm expecting him to use all the draft picks—to grab a couple more combo guards who can't shoot that well, and/or undersized "bigs"—and to fail to add any significant free agent shooters and bigs.

Then peter out in the conference finals again. Rinse, repeat.
Actually if that were to happen again next year will mean he is very consistent and he’s achieving his goals again.

Consistent, yes. Achieving goals? Only if his goals are to be competitive and reach the conference finals but likely go no farther.
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Re: Next year
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2020, 02:52:39 AM »

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Tristan Thompson -- He's finally a UFA.  How much will he get paid?  I feel like he still has the ability to be a useful player for 15-20 minutes a night.  He's only 28.  His skillset seems less and less worth paying for in today's NBA though. 

Aron Baynes-- Old friend Aron.  Kinda long in the tooth at this point (33 y/o) but he doesn't have a lot of mileage on him.  Might want to stay in PHX.

Alex Len - I think he's a decent player, nothing special.  Might not be too pricey.
Baynes would be great, but I don't think he's a realistic option. I bet some team will offer him more than the taxpayer MLE. If we go after a big man via free agency, my #1 realistic(?) target would be Nerlens Noel. In any case, I'd be looking to dump Kanter for cap relief + whatever future pick(s) we can get.

PS: We already got 2 threads regarding next season.

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=102126.0

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=102549.0
« Last Edit: September 25, 2020, 03:02:26 AM by Jvalin »

Re: Next year
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2020, 06:22:26 AM »

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Bring in DeMarcus Cousins to camp to see what he got anything left..if he does, sign him cheap..but we need more size and a BENCH!! What we got now is not going to cut it plus we got 3 more picks coming
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

Re: Next year
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2020, 10:03:24 AM »

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Maybe use the pick and one of Langford/Rob Williams for a shooter off the bench. We probably still need Kanter since Embiid is still in the east.

Honestly our only hope of going further next year is Tatum and Brown getting better faster than Herro/Adebayo can.

Re: Next year
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2020, 11:21:35 AM »

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Maybe use the pick and one of Langford/Rob Williams for a shooter off the bench. We probably still need Kanter since Embiid is still in the east.

Honestly our only hope of going further next year is Tatum and Brown getting better faster than Herro/Adebayo can.

I wouldn't worry too much about Herro. I would say he is a lot closer to Rozier than he is Luka Doncic. That's not to say that it wouldn't have been great to have him on our team this series - trade Langford and Herro and we probably sweep the Heat - but Brown and especially Tatum are light years ahead of him as prospects.

I also don't think TL is going anywhere unless it's in a package for a star big man (don't see that happening), but a veteran shooter would be nice.

Re: Next year
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2020, 12:11:31 PM »

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Tristan Thompson -- He's finally a UFA.  How much will he get paid?  I feel like he still has the ability to be a useful player for 15-20 minutes a night.  He's only 28.  His skillset seems less and less worth paying for in today's NBA though. 

Aron Baynes-- Old friend Aron.  Kinda long in the tooth at this point (33 y/o) but he doesn't have a lot of mileage on him.  Might want to stay in PHX.

Alex Len - I think he's a decent player, nothing special.  Might not be too pricey.
Baynes would be great, but I don't think he's a realistic option. I bet some team will offer him more than the taxpayer MLE. If we go after a big man via free agency, my #1 realistic(?) target would be Nerlens Noel. In any case, I'd be looking to dump Kanter for cap relief + whatever future pick(s) we can get.

PS: We already got 2 threads regarding next season.

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=102126.0

https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=102549.0
I want deep playoff experience in a big man acquisition.  That knocks out Len and Noel.  If Baynes can't be had, that leaves Tristan Thompson who won a chip in 2016 and I think could revive his career with the C's.  He would certainly contribute more than Kanter.  A center rotation of Theis, Thompson, R. Williams (with a few situational minutes for Grant) would be excellent.

Re: Next year
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2020, 12:42:06 PM »

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The cap details are not known at this time but if Hayward ($34M) and Kanter ($5M) pick up their player options, we will be tax payers.  Beyond those two guys, Wanamaker is a UFA and Semi has a team option.   There is not much to do on the regular FA market.

If there is any real roster action, it will have to be trades, including possibly sign and trade deals with Hayward or Kanter.  And even for that, there are probably tons of restrictions.

In 2021/22, Hayward rolls off (assuming he picks up the player option this year and is not traded), but we have to sign Tatum, certainly expected to be a max deal, locking in Kemba, Brown, and Tatum for a few years, all at essentially max deals.

In a thread about the Sixers trading either Embiid or Simmons, I had suggested going after Simmons with maybe Walker (possibly with Hayward and Horford in the mix as secondary pieces).  Then start Smart as PG, Brown and Tatum as wings, and play Simmons as a swing-big.  After how Walker has played in the playoffs, not sure how much value he has.

We have a very young core which should improve but beyond that, some radical trade is going to be needed in order the make any real change to the roster.  There is no way to do anything big with free agents for several seasons.

Re: Next year
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2020, 12:51:39 PM »

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keeping the expectations reasonable, here's my thinking:

under contract for next year: Kemba, Jaylen, Smart, Jayson, Theis, Romeo, Timelord, GWill, Edwards, Green, Poirier,
Players signed but with player options: Kanter, Hayward. 
Players signed but with club options: Semi.
FAs: Wanamaker, Waters, Tacko --> different sites have Wanamaker as a true FA or a signed player with a player option or can be kept by offering a QO and him accepting.  For the purposes of this commentary, will assume he's in control of his own destiny as a FA.
- 3 first round picks: 14, 26, 30 and a second round pick - 46

Personal view is that I didn’t expect them to contend this year but to get a good evaluation of who should be kept as a building block, who’s a serviceable role player and who’s trade fodder.  The fact they’re back in the ECF under these conditions (not excluding team’s various health issues throughout the year and bubble) I feel highlights that they need to move from continuing development to fine-tuning for contention.  To get there for next year, this is what I think could happen.

- No studs in this draft but it looks like someone serviceable can be picked up at 14.  To me, this puts all picks in play as trade pieces.
- I think Danny realizes Poirier is a wasted roster spot and needs to be moved.  His contract isn’t a big deal but it’s the roster spot that’s the more important issue.  I can see Danny using either pick 26 or 30 with salary compensation to a team with cap room to open that spot.  If he sees the need/opportunity to move Edwards in that same deal, it may require using pick 26 instead of 30 with some extra salary going out if the receiving team cuts more than just Poirier but I think whoever gets Edwards would want to kick the tires on him for what little he’s making.
- Hayward picks up his option.  I see the same for Kanter.  If the cap wasn’t likely to take a hit due to the pandemic, he might try for a bigger deal elsewhere but I don’t see that happening. 
- I see Wanamaker moving on for a better deal elsewhere.  the QO he’d get from the C’s is less than he could get elsewhere so I see him leaving for a better deal
- I think Semi is kept on hold until Danny sees who he can get through free agency.  If Danny can land an established 3-D vet for the bench, Semi’s let go.  if not, they keep him.
- Danny’s targets in free agency are that aforementioned 3-D wing, a backup PG vet to replace Wanamaker and an athletic big man that can mostly defend a pick and role and not get destroyed on the boards in the process.  I don’t see him making a deal to get that player but not through lack of effort.

Next year, I think having Kemba one more year helps him gel with an improving Jaylen and Jayson.  Fingers crossed for a finally healthy year from Hayward.  Smart will be Smart — have us cheering one moment and screaming in frustration a moment later.   I believe we’ll see real improvements from Timelord, GWill and Romeo to the point where they’re good rotation players.  I think we’ll have that #14 draft pick that will get minimum floor time due to the team’s depth for next year - would anticipate #26 or #30 (whichever we didn’t trade away) will be used in a deal to move up a little in the draft to get Danny’s guy.   Tacko will be back in Maine as an intriguing tease.  Waters may be back on the 2-way deal if he can beat out the #46 pick for that spot.  I like the kid but not seeing him as the guy to replace Wanamaker any more even though he looks like he can run an offense.  With the team having the MLE and vet min options for free agency, I think Danny’s going to have to split the MLE to get more than one vet who’s not essentially roster filler

Starting next year: Kemba, Brown, Hayward, Tatum, Theis.
Rotation Bench: Smart, Timelord, GWill, Romeo, 3-D wing FA, Vet Big FA,
Deep Bench: Kanter, Green, 14th pick, vet PG FA  (if Danny can’t sign the 3-D wing, I think Semi is on the roster and Green is just let go and the C's eat his deal)

2-way: Tacko, #46.

Re: Next year
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2020, 01:59:02 PM »

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I think that's a good, comprehensive breakdown.

Celts have a good top 6 ... Jayson, Jaylen, Kemba, Hayward, Smart, Theis. 

Rob Williams should be a serviceable 15-20 mpg player next year.

Grant can give you 15 minutes a night or so at the 4/5 and fits well with starter-heavy lineups due to his defense and lack of scoring.


That's 8 solid rotation players, but very light on bench scoring.



I agree that Kanter is probably back.  Given that, it might be unrealistic to expect the team to add another center since they'll already have 3 who will compete for minutes.


I'd move on from Edwards; I also agree that Poirier is a wasted spot.  Tacko and Waters are fine as 2-way players if that's still an option.


Main priority is turning Wanamaker and Semi into reliable vets who can occasionally give you 10-15 points and punish a defense for leaving them open. 

I expect nothing from Romeo Langford or any of the guys they might take in the draft.  I am 100% on board with the idea that now is the time to start fine tuning for contention, not looking for projects to develop into future starters. 

Finding cheap rotation players in the draft is necessary to maintain contention.  However, the Celts don't need more cheap, serviceable end of rotation guys with no experience.  They need seasoned vets who can keep the team in a game when the starters are struggling.
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