Missed call? (Adebayo's block...)

[TheReaLPuba]

...should technically have been a goal tend no?

Ball was over the rim and his hand is still on the ball and covering the rim.

Yes it was great athleticism.

It was great timing.

It was a great block.

But the ball should still have an opportunity to go in the hoop after the block.

Obviously this game didn't come down to just this one play.......blowing leads (late in games) in the playoffs is not a good sign of a championship caliber team.

[mspring]

Funny you bring this up, I was wondering the same exact thing.  I was talking to a buddy and he said that since Adebayo's hand was on the ball before it was over the cylinder that it wouldn't be considered a goal tend, but I wasn't 100% sure.  Does anyone else know if this could be considered a goal tend and what the rules say about this type of block?

[footey]

Funny you bring this up, I was wondering the same exact thing.  I was talking to a buddy and he said that since Adebayo's hand was on the ball before it was over the cylinder that it wouldn't be considered a goal tend, but I wasn't 100% sure.  Does anyone else know if this could be considered a goal tend and what the rules say about this type of block?

I would think that since it was Tatum's momentum that caused his hand to touch or go into the cylinder, it would not be considered a goal tend, nor should it.

[letsgoblue86]

From what I’ve seen on other forums apparently if the ball has not left the offensive players hand it isn’t goaltending.

[mspring]

Ok thanks, that makes sense, I wasn't 100% sure.

[Tr1boy]

...should technically have been a goal tend no?

Ball was over the rim and his hand is still on the ball and covering the rim.

Yes it was great athleticism.

It was great timing.

It was a great block.

But the ball should still have an opportunity to go in the hoop after the block.

Obviously this game didn't come down to just this one play.......blowing leads (late in games) in the playoffs is not a good sign of a championship caliber team.

Naw... it was good

I wish Tatum would have tried to dunk the ball with two hands instead

Harder to block and greater chance of getting fouled

[bdm860]

I thought no way should that be goaltending.  And I don't think it's ever been called that way in the history of the NBA, but according to the official rules...

https://official.nba.com/rule-no-11-basket-interference-goaltending/

b.  Touch any ball from within the playing area when it is above the basket ring and within the imaginary cylinder.

f.  Touch any ball from within the playing area that is on its downward flight with an opportunity to score.  This is considered to be a “field goal attempt” or trying for a goal.

Now if you want to say it's not a field goal attempt because it never left Tatum's hand, well we have this from the definition of what constitutes a field goal attempt, Rule 4, Section XI:

On drives to the basket or other moving shots, the shooting motion starts when the player gathers the ball and continues through with a shot (except during a take foul situation when the clocks are not expiring, the shooting begins when the player’s shoulders start upward). It is not essential that the ball leave the shooter’s hand.

Never expect it to be called this way, nor would I want it to be (except in this specific case  ), but based on what I see from the NBA's official rules, it looks like it should have been goaltending.   Unless I'm missing an explanation in another section of the rules.

[GreenShooter]

The only way to goal-tend a dunk attempt is to put your hand from inside the rim. Maybe next time Bam is under the rim in good position JT could lay it up off the glass. No way Bam gets that high to block it and JT more likely to draw a foul.

[keevsnick]

For what its worth the last two minute report deems it a "clean block."

Also the L2M report said that Tatum traveled with 7.9 seconds left on that last three in regulation, and that contact initiated by Walker caused Jones Jr to run into smart. So really the Celtics shouldn't have even made it to overtime.

[hpantazo]

For what its worth the last two minute report deems it a "clean block."

Also the L2M report said that Tatum traveled with 7.9 seconds left on that last three in regulation, and that contact imitated by Walker caused Jones Jr to contact smart. So really the Celtics shouldn't have even made it to overtime.

Yeah I remember Walker clearly pushed Jones Jr into Smart. I was surprised with that call at the time.

[NKY fan]

The only way to goal-tend a dunk attempt is to put your hand from inside the rim. Maybe next time Bam is under the rim in good position JT could lay it up off the glass. No way Bam gets that high to block it and JT more likely to draw a foul.

It’s water under the bridge now and the dunk Attempt was not bad... however I don’t understand why Tatum didn’t go for a layup instead of dunk....

[jameson416]

It was a great attempt by tatum, but an incredible defensive play by bam. To go up like he did and get all ball, even as a die hard Celtics fan, I wouldnt have wanted to see that called a foul.

The real discussion should be that their max guy is delivering, in multiple phases of the game, and made some HUGE plays at the end. Meanwhile, our max guy is missing wide open looks all night, turning the ball over, and is constantly the target of their offensive attack. Sure he made a few down the stretch, but, with the sheer volume of attempts he was bound to... walker is making $32 million +, and has been awful in these last few big games for us. He has to pick it up, no excuses.

[hpantazo]

It was a great attempt by tatum, but an incredible defensive play by bam. To go up like he did and get all ball, even as a die hard Celtics fan, I wouldnt have wanted to see that called a foul.

The real discussion should be that their max guy is delivering, in multiple phases of the game, and made some HUGE plays at the end. Meanwhile, our max guy is missing wide open looks all night, turning the ball over, and is constantly the target of their offensive attack. Sure he made a few down the stretch, but, with the sheer volume of attempts he was bound to... walker is making $32 million +, and has been awful in these last few big games for us. He has to pick it up, no excuses.

Not to mention our other max guy, who has missed most of the playoff run with a bad ankle yet again...

[Boris Badenov]

It was a great attempt by tatum, but an incredible defensive play by bam. To go up like he did and get all ball, even as a die hard Celtics fan, I wouldnt have wanted to see that called a foul.

The real discussion should be that their max guy is delivering, in multiple phases of the game, and made some HUGE plays at the end. Meanwhile, our max guy is missing wide open looks all night, turning the ball over, and is constantly the target of their offensive attack. Sure he made a few down the stretch, but, with the sheer volume of attempts he was bound to... walker is making $32 million +, and has been awful in these last few big games for us. He has to pick it up, no excuses.

I think Kemba's knee might be acting up again. He looks a lot slower laterally to me in the last few games, compared to his earlier ones.

[jameson416]

It was a great attempt by tatum, but an incredible defensive play by bam. To go up like he did and get all ball, even as a die hard Celtics fan, I wouldnt have wanted to see that called a foul.

The real discussion should be that their max guy is delivering, in multiple phases of the game, and made some HUGE plays at the end. Meanwhile, our max guy is missing wide open looks all night, turning the ball over, and is constantly the target of their offensive attack. Sure he made a few down the stretch, but, with the sheer volume of attempts he was bound to... walker is making $32 million +, and has been awful in these last few big games for us. He has to pick it up, no excuses.

I think Kemba's knee might be acting up again. He looks a lot slower laterally to me in the last few games, compared to his earlier ones.

That may be true, who knows? However, that shouldn't effect his ability to hit wide open shots. He was 1/9 from deep, 4 of those misses were wide open, 2 more of them were not as open but were very makeable. His play as of late has hurt us, as in, yes, we have been much worse with him on the floor vs the bench. I agree, Hayward's inability to stay healthy is also hurting us badly, but that's a little more bad luck than bad play.

This is why I hate the modern NBA, everyone that's a good player thinks they deserve a "MAX" contract. Unless you're lucky enough to get one of those few that are actually "MAX" players, (I believe we have one in tatum) youre forced to overpay for good talent. Haywards last yr in Utah may have earned him a max, but i doubt we'll ever see that level of play from him again. Kemba simply isn't a true max player, he can't alter a game on both ends (or isn't so dominant and reliable offensively) to deserve that kind of money. However, we were forced to pay it bcz of the days NBA climate. We're still very much in this, but he has to help tatum and JB out.