What was up with that reversed call on Theis?

[86MaxwellSmart]

Coaches get ONE challenge/review....except if you're the Raptors players and scream and shout at the Refs...then it's automatically reviewed....what the?

If Tatum had pulled a Lowry, that play where Nurse was standing in our corner, would have been reviewed...but it's the Celtics so probably not.

[86MaxwellSmart]

The call Stevens should have reviewed was the missed foul on Kemba at the end of the 4th though. That was very evident.

Is he allowed to challenge a non-call?  The rules confuse me.

The car I wanted him to challenge came in the first half, on a deflection out of bounds. We should have kept the ball. Instead, Toronto rattled off five straight points cutting into our lead right before halftime.  I understand wanting to save a challenge, but I would be inclined to do it on any clear-cut bad call.

No, you can't challenge a non call. A whistle essentially has to be blown to challenge something.

Off the top of my head weird stuff that happened in this game ref wise.

Kemba no call
Theis reversal
Tatum push off called offensive foul followed by same Siakam push of getting an and-1.
FVV landing spot flagrant, but Jaylen hit in air not a flagrant
One ref calling jump ball on OG rebound, one giving them timeout, timeout awarded 
Nurse standing on the out of bounds line on Tatum turnover, should have by rule been a tech.

Probably other stuff I'm missing. I am the last person to complain about officiating, I routinely argue with people in the game threads who try to say the ref's are stealing the game, but this was some serious awful officiating.

You forgot the Theis dunk in the last seconds of the 4th---where he was CLEARLY fouled on the right arm(arm grabbed actually)....no call, should have been an and one---Game over, series over.

[RMO]

Coaches get ONE challenge/review....except if you're the Raptors players and scream and shout at the Refs...then it's automatically reviewed....what the?

If Tatum had pulled a Lowry, that play where Nurse was standing in our corner, would have been reviewed...but it's the Celtics so probably not.

That's what bothered me.  When they finally had their review it felt like it was their third or fourth one.  The refs were bullied into the review.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Also, Gasol raised his elbow high and hit Theis, NO CALL....that was NOT a natural BB play.

[NKY fan]

The call Stevens should have reviewed was the missed foul on Kemba at the end of the 4th though. That was very evident.

Is he allowed to challenge a non-call?  The rules confuse me.

The car I wanted him to challenge came in the first half, on a deflection out of bounds. We should have kept the ball. Instead, Toronto rattled off five straight points cutting into our lead right before halftime.  I understand wanting to save a challenge, but I would be inclined to do it on any clear-cut bad call.

No, you can't challenge a non call. A whistle essentially has to be blown to challenge something.

Off the top of my head weird stuff that happened in this game ref wise.

Kemba no call
Theis reversal
Tatum push off called offensive foul followed by same Siakam push of getting an and-1.
FVV landing spot flagrant, but Jaylen hit in air not a flagrant
One ref calling jump ball on OG rebound, one giving them timeout, timeout awarded 
Nurse standing on the out of bounds line on Tatum turnover, should have by rule been a tech.

Probably other stuff I'm missing. I am the last person to complain about officiating, I routinely argue with people in the game threads who try to say the ref's are stealing the game, but this was some serious awful officiating.

You forgot the Theis dunk in the last seconds of the 4th---where he was CLEARLY fouled on the right arm(arm grabbed actually)....no call, should have been an and one---Game over, series over.

How about the 6 point possession that VanVleet converted in the 3rd quarter?
3 foul shots plus the ball >> another 3 pointer
I think that was a part of a minute Sequence during which we allowed 12 points in 3 possessions

[celts55]

Agree with pretty much all of this. Seems like all the calls went Raptors way. I bet my son $10 they would reverse Theis call, and I was right.
I also hated the call on Smart. 3 free throws and the ball is ridiculous.
And the T on Tatum for hitting Lowry on the drive that Tatum was fouled on. I have to say, the play where Brown was undercut and landed on his back, seemed a lot more flagrant.
The league has to do something about these flagrant calls. It’s making the game practically unwatchable

[greg683x]

this series is the first time I can ever remember flagrants being called on incidental elbow contact while driving to the hoop also.

i really never try and blame the referees for losses and I generally think its bad form to do so, but I was screaming at my tv last night

[celts55]

this series is the first time I can ever remember flagrants being called on incidental elbow contact while driving to the hoop also.

i really never try and blame the referees for losses and I generally think its bad form to do so, but I was screaming at my tv last night

I truly believe I’m pretty objective about calls. I said Brown traveled on a drive right before the announcers did. I can see when bad calls are made both ways, but this game was totally one sided.
The missed call on Kemba’s drive was awful, and the coach clearly being outside the coaching box is an automatic T.
I won’t be surprised if they fine him, but that won’t change the result.
It’s a shame when the refs determined the outcome of the game, and I would feel the same way if the calls were reversed.

[Redz]

Agree with pretty much all of this. Seems like all the calls went Raptors way. I bet my son $10 they would reverse Theis call, and I was right.
I also hated the call on Smart. 3 free throws and the ball is ridiculous.
And the T on Tatum for hitting Lowry on the drive that Tatum was fouled on. I have to say, the play where Brown was undercut and landed on his back, seemed a lot more flagrant.
The league has to do something about these flagrant calls. It’s making the game practically unwatchable

I really wonder how much of this is a result of there being no fans.

Never mind the calls, just the amount of time taken for all of the reviews would be getting fans booing like crazy.

But, yes, the intent of contact used to be much more of a consideration.

[86MaxwellSmart]

this series is the first time I can ever remember flagrants being called on incidental elbow contact while driving to the hoop also.

i really never try and blame the referees for losses and I generally think its bad form to do so, but I was screaming at my tv last night

Except of course, when Gasol elbowed Theis...NO CALL.

[greg683x]

this series is the first time I can ever remember flagrants being called on incidental elbow contact while driving to the hoop also.

i really never try and blame the referees for losses and I generally think its bad form to do so, but I was screaming at my tv last night

Except of course, when Gasol elbowed Theis...NO CALL.

whats funny is, the elbow he gave wasnt intentional, but it was done aggressively and out of frustration.  The one on Tatum and the others as well, we incidental eblows made while driving to the hoop.  its madness.

and on top of all that.  They reviewed that Gasol elbow because the Gasol was whining that Theis elbowed him!  and they just ignore the fact that Gasol is the one that threw elbow on top of blowing smoke up their you-know-what about the call in the first place.

i really dont think Ive seen a game officiated that badly before

[SparzWizard]

Sometimes, a late call that you knew was a foul but didn't call it earlier is so much better than a bad no-call or incorrect call.

I mean if coaches are gonna challenge whistles and want calls reviewed then it should be fine for officials to make a late call. Who cares if it slows the game down. They are doing that with reviewing the play and coaching challenge anyway.

[footey]

The call Stevens should have reviewed was the missed foul on Kemba at the end of the 4th though. That was very evident.

Is he allowed to challenge a non-call?  The rules confuse me.

The car I wanted him to challenge came in the first half, on a deflection out of bounds. We should have kept the ball. Instead, Toronto rattled off five straight points cutting into our lead right before halftime.  I understand wanting to save a challenge, but I would be inclined to do it on any clear-cut bad call.

No, you can't challenge a non call. A whistle essentially has to be blown to challenge something.

Off the top of my head weird stuff that happened in this game ref wise.

Kemba no call
Theis reversal
Tatum push off called offensive foul followed by same Siakam push of getting an and-1.
FVV landing spot flagrant, but Jaylen hit in air not a flagrant
One ref calling jump ball on OG rebound, one giving them timeout, timeout awarded 
Nurse standing on the out of bounds line on Tatum turnover, should have by rule been a tech.

Probably other stuff I'm missing. I am the last person to complain about officiating, I routinely argue with people in the game threads who try to say the ref's are stealing the game, but this was some serious awful officiating.

You forgot the Theis dunk in the last seconds of the 4th---where he was CLEARLY fouled on the right arm(arm grabbed actually)....no call, should have been an and one---Game over, series over.

I didn't think the foul was that clear.  If he had missed, they probably make the call.

I also rewatched the Kemba play. Really hard to see if he got hit or just lost his balance.  Ref swallowed his whistle for sure, though.

[liam]

I believe half of the coaches' challenges are successful, which means the officiating is terrible. I extrapolate that out to mean that 1/2 the calls in the NBA are wrong.   

[libermaniac]

The call Stevens should have reviewed was the missed foul on Kemba at the end of the 4th though. That was very evident.

Is he allowed to challenge a non-call?  The rules confuse me.

The car I wanted him to challenge came in the first half, on a deflection out of bounds. We should have kept the ball. Instead, Toronto rattled off five straight points cutting into our lead right before halftime.  I understand wanting to save a challenge, but I would be inclined to do it on any clear-cut bad call.

No, you can't challenge a non call. A whistle essentially has to be blown to challenge something.

Off the top of my head weird stuff that happened in this game ref wise.

Kemba no call
Theis reversal
Tatum push off called offensive foul followed by same Siakam push of getting an and-1.
FVV landing spot flagrant, but Jaylen hit in air not a flagrant
One ref calling jump ball on OG rebound, one giving them timeout, timeout awarded 
Nurse standing on the out of bounds line on Tatum turnover, should have by rule been a tech.

Probably other stuff I'm missing. I am the last person to complain about officiating, I routinely argue with people in the game threads who try to say the ref's are stealing the game, but this was some serious awful officiating.

You forgot the Theis dunk in the last seconds of the 4th---where he was CLEARLY fouled on the right arm(arm grabbed actually)....no call, should have been an and one---Game over, series over.

I didn't think the foul was that clear.  If he had missed, they probably make the call.

I also rewatched the Kemba play. Really hard to see if he got hit or just lost his balance.  Ref swallowed his whistle for sure, though.

OG's hand hits Kemba's forearm solidly.  Not just hits it but fingers basically on both sides of the forearm - e.g. solid contact.  I broke it down frame by frame and took a picture from two angles.  No doubt whatsoever they missed the call