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Where would you rank these top 10 duos?
« on: July 28, 2020, 10:27:15 AM »

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First off, Colin Cowherd is a hack. Don't know how you don't have Harden/Westbrook in there at all.

But how would you rank it?



1) Kawhi & PG
2) LeBron James & AD
3) Giannis & Middleton
4) James Harden & Westbrook
5) Luka Doncic & KP
6) JT & Walker (Although Jaylen should also be considered.)
7) Joel Embiid & Simmons
8 )  Nikola Jokic & Murray
9) Jimmy Butler & Bam
10)  Damian Lillad & CJ
HM - Gobert & DM

EDIT: Changed my list.
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Re: Where would you rank these top 10 duo's?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2020, 11:00:34 AM »

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They might not be the best, but I think I might enjoy watching Lillard and McCollum the best.
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1. Lebron / Davis
2. Giannis / Middleton
3. Kawhi/ George
4. Tatum / Walker

I donít care after that.
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Re: Where would you rank these top 10 duo's?
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Boston is not a duo. It is a 3, sometimes 4 headed problem for other teams.  If just ranking top 2, Boston isn't in the top 5. Just a fact.

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Boston is not a duo. It is a 3, sometimes 4 headed problem for other teams.  If just ranking top 2, Boston isn't in the top 5. Just a fact.

That's how I see it, although if Tatum can replicate his February numbers, he's a clear cut above most players listed there.

They might not be the best, but I think I might enjoy watching Lillard and McCollum the best.

Agreed, Lillard and CJ when their both hot is amazing to watch. My only issue with that backcourt is their both weak defensively, so while I think they are both explosive scorers, one of them has to go, and I'm thinking CJ may be traded in a year depending on how they do in the playoffs.
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Boston is not a duo. It is a 3, sometimes 4 headed problem for other teams.  If just ranking top 2, Boston isn't in the top 5. Just a fact.

Yeh.  That's funny.  I hadn't even looked that closely at the graphic I guess.  I had just assumed the duo was Tatum and Brown for the Celtics. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2020, 11:28:35 AM »

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taking off my green glasses and evaluating for this season only where there's just 8 games left and the playoffs, I see it like this:
1. Lebron & AD  (until he shows he can't carry a team with a decent supporting cast in the playoffs, he's still the best in the league)
2. Kawhi & PG -- Kawhi put Toronto on his back last year and has a better #2 in PG this year
3. Giannis & Middleton.  Giannis is an MVP candidate and Middleton showed he could step up as #2 last year
4. Harden & Westbrook.  too dynamic as scorers to not be considered a top duo
for me, this is the cutoff from duos you can almost guarantee will produce on the biggest stage from those that can suffer from an off night and cost their teams

5. Luka & Porzingis -- putting at the top of this part of the list because Luka has a major impact even if his shot is off.  KP isn't consistent enough to push them into the top bracket
6. Tatum & Walker/Brown -- Tatum when he's on can carry the team's offense and his D has gotten much better this year.  Debating if Brown is the real #2 man here based on his game this year (and since the return of the scrimmages) and his past playoff performances.  What helps the C's overall is that they can put 4 guys on the court capable of having all-star performances with JT, JB, Kemba and Hayward.
7. Jokic & Murray -- Jokic is the stud here but Murray doesn't provide the consistency needed and his D needs work.
8. Embiid & Simmons -- Embiid can be a monster but seems susceptible to head games.  Simmons desperately needs to develop a respectable jumper.  when they're on their game though, they're very tough.
9. Siakam & Lowry -- Siakam has shown he can step up as a #1.  Lowry finally showed he can make an impact in the playoffs.
10. Butler & Bam -- toss up between them and Gobert/Mitchell but give them the nod because Butler is the best player of the 4. 

Honorable Mention
Gobert/Mitchell  -- held back due to Mitchell's lack of D
Lillard & Mccollum -- dynamic backcourt but held back due to neither being a big man that can help on the boards.

Note: if not for injuries, obviously Curry and Thompson are in the top tier of this list

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2020, 06:52:54 PM »

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taking off my green glasses and evaluating for this season only where there's just 8 games left and the playoffs, I see it like this:
1. Lebron & AD  (until he shows he can't carry a team with a decent supporting cast in the playoffs, he's still the best in the league)
2. Kawhi & PG -- Kawhi put Toronto on his back last year and has a better #2 in PG this year
3. Giannis & Middleton.  Giannis is an MVP candidate and Middleton showed he could step up as #2 last year
4. Harden & Westbrook.  too dynamic as scorers to not be considered a top duo
for me, this is the cutoff from duos you can almost guarantee will produce on the biggest stage from those that can suffer from an off night and cost their teams

5. Luka & Porzingis -- putting at the top of this part of the list because Luka has a major impact even if his shot is off.  KP isn't consistent enough to push them into the top bracket
6. Tatum & Walker/Brown -- Tatum when he's on can carry the team's offense and his D has gotten much better this year.  Debating if Brown is the real #2 man here based on his game this year (and since the return of the scrimmages) and his past playoff performances.  What helps the C's overall is that they can put 4 guys on the court capable of having all-star performances with JT, JB, Kemba and Hayward.
7. Jokic & Murray -- Jokic is the stud here but Murray doesn't provide the consistency needed and his D needs work.
8. Embiid & Simmons -- Embiid can be a monster but seems susceptible to head games.  Simmons desperately needs to develop a respectable jumper.  when they're on their game though, they're very tough.
9. Siakam & Lowry -- Siakam has shown he can step up as a #1.  Lowry finally showed he can make an impact in the playoffs.
10. Butler & Bam -- toss up between them and Gobert/Mitchell but give them the nod because Butler is the best player of the 4. 

Honorable Mention
Gobert/Mitchell  -- held back due to Mitchell's lack of D
Lillard & Mccollum -- dynamic backcourt but held back due to neither being a big man that can help on the boards.

Note: if not for injuries, obviously Curry and Thompson are in the top tier of this list
Another duo to consider that we didn't see because of injuries was KD and Kyrie. They'll likely be a top-10 duo.

One I wonder about is the return of the Washington back-court. How well will John Wall come back?

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2020, 08:04:41 PM »

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This is tough because some pairs I feel have only individual "iso" ability or others have strong duo "chemistry" giving assist to each other. Few have "both" strengths. I'm still do top half so 11 and note what I feel they have strongly, if "iso, chem or both"

For the record though I'd say healthy Curry and Klay would be top 4 for me if they were in the bubble.

1. LeBron, AD (both)
2. Giannis, Middleton (both)
3. Kawhi, PG (Iso)
4. Harden, Westbrook (Iso)
5. Butler, Bam (Chem)
6. Siakam, Lowry (Chem)
7. The Js (Iso)
8. Luka, KP (Iso)
9. Ingram and Zion (Iso)
10. Lillard, CJ (Iso)
11. Embid, Simons (Iso)

I can explain my veiw on each in more detail but trying not to make too long a post. We all have our opinions.

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2020, 09:18:06 PM »

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taking off my green glasses and evaluating for this season only where there's just 8 games left and the playoffs, I see it like this:
1. Lebron & AD  (until he shows he can't carry a team with a decent supporting cast in the playoffs, he's still the best in the league)
2. Kawhi & PG -- Kawhi put Toronto on his back last year and has a better #2 in PG this year
3. Giannis & Middleton.  Giannis is an MVP candidate and Middleton showed he could step up as #2 last year
4. Harden & Westbrook.  too dynamic as scorers to not be considered a top duo
for me, this is the cutoff from duos you can almost guarantee will produce on the biggest stage from those that can suffer from an off night and cost their teams

5. Luka & Porzingis -- putting at the top of this part of the list because Luka has a major impact even if his shot is off.  KP isn't consistent enough to push them into the top bracket
6. Tatum & Walker/Brown -- Tatum when he's on can carry the team's offense and his D has gotten much better this year.  Debating if Brown is the real #2 man here based on his game this year (and since the return of the scrimmages) and his past playoff performances.  What helps the C's overall is that they can put 4 guys on the court capable of having all-star performances with JT, JB, Kemba and Hayward.
7. Jokic & Murray -- Jokic is the stud here but Murray doesn't provide the consistency needed and his D needs work.
8. Embiid & Simmons -- Embiid can be a monster but seems susceptible to head games.  Simmons desperately needs to develop a respectable jumper.  when they're on their game though, they're very tough.
9. Siakam & Lowry -- Siakam has shown he can step up as a #1.  Lowry finally showed he can make an impact in the playoffs.
10. Butler & Bam -- toss up between them and Gobert/Mitchell but give them the nod because Butler is the best player of the 4. 

Honorable Mention
Gobert/Mitchell  -- held back due to Mitchell's lack of D
Lillard & Mccollum -- dynamic backcourt but held back due to neither being a big man that can help on the boards.

Note: if not for injuries, obviously Curry and Thompson are in the top tier of this list
Another duo to consider that we didn't see because of injuries was KD and Kyrie. They'll likely be a top-10 duo.

One I wonder about is the return of the Washington back-court. How well will John Wall come back?
good point on those 2 duos.   KD and Kyrie at this point would be based on speculation they would gel better than Kyrie did in Boston.  Wall/Beal is another solid duo where the only question is Wall's health and the fact that as good as they are, they can't get Wash into the playoffs in the East.

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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2020, 10:10:12 PM »

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taking off my green glasses and evaluating for this season only where there's just 8 games left and the playoffs, I see it like this:
1. Lebron & AD  (until he shows he can't carry a team with a decent supporting cast in the playoffs, he's still the best in the league)
2. Kawhi & PG -- Kawhi put Toronto on his back last year and has a better #2 in PG this year
3. Giannis & Middleton.  Giannis is an MVP candidate and Middleton showed he could step up as #2 last year
4. Harden & Westbrook.  too dynamic as scorers to not be considered a top duo
for me, this is the cutoff from duos you can almost guarantee will produce on the biggest stage from those that can suffer from an off night and cost their teams

5. Luka & Porzingis -- putting at the top of this part of the list because Luka has a major impact even if his shot is off.  KP isn't consistent enough to push them into the top bracket
6. Tatum & Walker/Brown -- Tatum when he's on can carry the team's offense and his D has gotten much better this year.  Debating if Brown is the real #2 man here based on his game this year (and since the return of the scrimmages) and his past playoff performances.  What helps the C's overall is that they can put 4 guys on the court capable of having all-star performances with JT, JB, Kemba and Hayward.
7. Jokic & Murray -- Jokic is the stud here but Murray doesn't provide the consistency needed and his D needs work.
8. Embiid & Simmons -- Embiid can be a monster but seems susceptible to head games.  Simmons desperately needs to develop a respectable jumper.  when they're on their game though, they're very tough.
9. Siakam & Lowry -- Siakam has shown he can step up as a #1.  Lowry finally showed he can make an impact in the playoffs.
10. Butler & Bam -- toss up between them and Gobert/Mitchell but give them the nod because Butler is the best player of the 4. 

Honorable Mention
Gobert/Mitchell  -- held back due to Mitchell's lack of D
Lillard & Mccollum -- dynamic backcourt but held back due to neither being a big man that can help on the boards.

Note: if not for injuries, obviously Curry and Thompson are in the top tier of this list
Another duo to consider that we didn't see because of injuries was KD and Kyrie. They'll likely be a top-10 duo.

One I wonder about is the return of the Washington back-court. How well will John Wall come back?
good point on those 2 duos.   KD and Kyrie at this point would be based on speculation they would gel better than Kyrie did in Boston.  Wall/Beal is another solid duo where the only question is Wall's health and the fact that as good as they are, they can't get Wash into the playoffs in the East.
Yeah, I really wonder about Kyrie. He clearly thinks of himself as an Alpha no.1 level talent, but he's also obviously inferior to KD (unless KD takes a long time to return, and is never the same). Could easily see them struggling.

Yeah, no doubt about Washington. They were at their best in 16-17 when they beat Atlanta but lost to us (in a tough series). Dunno if Wall can return, but if he does they're on a similar level to Dame and CJ

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1. AD/LeBron
2. Curry/Draymond (assuming that this year is an anomaly)
3. Kawhi/PG
4. Giannis/Middleton
5. Harden/Westbrook
6. KD/Kyrie (dinged them a bit due to KD's torn achilles + Kyrie's unpredictability)
7. Embiid/Simmons (open to dropping them a few slots due to fit issues)
8. Gobert/Mitchell
9. Butler/Bam
10. Tatum/Kemba or Brown (might drop them out of this list if Tatum doesn't improve)

Honourable mention to Siakam/Lowry.
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This is tough because some pairs I feel have only individual "iso" ability or others have strong duo "chemistry" giving assist to each other. Few have "both" strengths. I'm still do top half so 11 and note what I feel they have strongly, if "iso, chem or both"

For the record though I'd say healthy Curry and Klay would be top 4 for me if they were in the bubble.

1. LeBron, AD (both)
2. Giannis, Middleton (both)
3. Kawhi, PG (Iso)
4. Harden, Westbrook (Iso)
5. Butler, Bam (Chem)
6. Siakam, Lowry (Chem)
7. The Js (Iso)
8. Luka, KP (Iso)
9. Ingram and Zion (Iso)
10. Lillard, CJ (Iso)
11. Embid, Simons (Iso)

I can explain my veiw on each in more detail but trying not to make too long a post. We all have our opinions.

That's a solid list that I agree with. I think Embiid/Simmons are a great duo, but I still question the fit. The potential/ceiling is certainly there.

1. AD/LeBron
2. Curry/Draymond (assuming that this year is an anomaly)
3. Kawhi/PG
4. Giannis/Middleton
5. Harden/Westbrook
6. KD/Kyrie (dinged them a bit due to KD's torn achilles + Kyrie's unpredictability)
7. Embiid/Simmons (open to dropping them a few slots due to fit issues)
8. Gobert/Mitchell
9. Butler/Bam
10. Tatum/Kemba or Brown (might drop them out of this list if Tatum doesn't improve)

Honourable mention to Siakam/Lowry.

The top 10 duo's is mainly for this year.

It's clear that Curry/Dray or Curry/Klay would probably be a top 5 duo easy.

I find it fairly curious why you have Tatum ranked so low, but to each their own.

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This is tough because some pairs I feel have only individual "iso" ability or others have strong duo "chemistry" giving assist to each other. Few have "both" strengths. I'm still do top half so 11 and note what I feel they have strongly, if "iso, chem or both"

For the record though I'd say healthy Curry and Klay would be top 4 for me if they were in the bubble.

1. LeBron, AD (both)
2. Giannis, Middleton (both)
3. Kawhi, PG (Iso)
4. Harden, Westbrook (Iso)
5. Butler, Bam (Chem)
6. Siakam, Lowry (Chem)
7. The Js (Iso)
8. Luka, KP (Iso)
9. Ingram and Zion (Iso)
10. Lillard, CJ (Iso)
11. Embid, Simons (Iso)

I can explain my veiw on each in more detail but trying not to make too long a post. We all have our opinions.

That's a solid list that I agree with. I think Embiid/Simmons are a great duo, but I still question the fit. The potential/ceiling is certainly there.

1. AD/LeBron
2. Curry/Draymond (assuming that this year is an anomaly)
3. Kawhi/PG
4. Giannis/Middleton
5. Harden/Westbrook
6. KD/Kyrie (dinged them a bit due to KD's torn achilles + Kyrie's unpredictability)
7. Embiid/Simmons (open to dropping them a few slots due to fit issues)
8. Gobert/Mitchell
9. Butler/Bam
10. Tatum/Kemba or Brown (might drop them out of this list if Tatum doesn't improve)

Honourable mention to Siakam/Lowry.

The top 10 duo's is mainly for this year.

It's clear that Curry/Dray or Curry/Klay would probably be a top 5 duo easy.

I find it fairly curious why you have Tatum ranked so low, but to each their own.
I just don't think he's a surefire top 15 player, especially with his regression so far in the restart. I always thought that his stretch in February was more of a purple patch instead of the new norm (although I did accept the possibility of his ceiling being bumped up to fringe MVP levels) and I currently have him in the top 20-30 range.
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1. AD & LeBron
2. Kawhi & PG
3. Giannis & Middleton
4. Curry & Klay
5. Harden & Westbrook
6. Luka & KP
7. JT & JB
8. Butler & Bam
9. Lillard & CJ
10. Embiid & Simmons
11. Jokic & Murray

HM: Mitchell & Gobert, Siakam & Lowry

I left off KD and Kyrie because we haven't seen anything from them, unlike Curry & Klay who have numerous rings