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Re: (Sim and Mock) who would you want the Cs to take?
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2020, 12:09:29 AM »

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I hope they make some kind of adjustment to the lottery due to Covid-19 league stoppage.

Perhaps if the season were to continue, only 8 teams would make the playoffs thus leading to 22 teams in the lottery (Grizzlies being one) and hopefully the odds are flat enough to where they can win a top 4 pick... thus forcing the grizzlies pick to convey next year unprotected.

The above scenario is just an example but if the season does not continue, several teams in the bubble of making the playoffs will feel cheated about not having the opportunity to play enough games and if they need to shorten the amount of games and the playoffs, several teams may feel cheated about not having the benefit being in the playoffs and also not being in the lottery.

The real prize is Cade Cunningham next year.  He is Luka Doncic plus defense

Re: (Sim and Mock) who would you want the Cs to take?
« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2020, 05:49:08 AM »

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Patrick Williams.  Hes  a 68 swing with a 611 wingspan.  Hes strong and athletic.  Hes a smart team defender who switches well, defends the perimeter, a decent weak side shot blocker, and can defend the paint a bit against traditional bigs (Vernon Cary).  On offense, he moves well without the ball knowing when to cut.  He plays above the rim finishing alley oops.  His outside shot is a work in progress, but has good form and knocks down his free throws.  Hes also still only 18.  Hes my guy at 17.  Id even give up one of the other picks to move up a couple of slots.

Look at that 68 physique at 18 and a few months



above the rim  https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=RDCMUC0hy7TcR1gGD8nQBqrF2FaA&v=9K02y0J0JHI&index=21

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXSdXHR6XcU

83.8% free throws

Is his ceiling like a combination of Maurice Harkless and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?

Say a poor man's Jonathan Isaac?
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Re: (Sim and Mock) who would you want the Cs to take?
« Reply #77 on: May 16, 2020, 06:55:05 AM »

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Patrick Williams.  Hes  a 68 swing with a 611 wingspan.  Hes strong and athletic.  Hes a smart team defender who switches well, defends the perimeter, a decent weak side shot blocker, and can defend the paint a bit against traditional bigs (Vernon Cary).  On offense, he moves well without the ball knowing when to cut.  He plays above the rim finishing alley oops.  His outside shot is a work in progress, but has good form and knocks down his free throws.  Hes also still only 18.  Hes my guy at 17.  Id even give up one of the other picks to move up a couple of slots.

Look at that 68 physique at 18 and a few months



above the rim  https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=RDCMUC0hy7TcR1gGD8nQBqrF2FaA&v=9K02y0J0JHI&index=21

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXSdXHR6XcU

83.8% free throws

Per mock drafts these day, his range is around 13

He does checkmark lots of things teams like from a modern day versatile prospect

13 is about as early as Ive seen him in mock drafts.  I still see him in the 20s in some of them.

His defensive versatility and movement without the ball on offense are things that I think Stevens would like.

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« Reply #78 on: May 16, 2020, 07:03:53 AM »

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Patrick Williams.  Hes  a 68 swing with a 611 wingspan.  Hes strong and athletic.  Hes a smart team defender who switches well, defends the perimeter, a decent weak side shot blocker, and can defend the paint a bit against traditional bigs (Vernon Cary).  On offense, he moves well without the ball knowing when to cut.  He plays above the rim finishing alley oops.  His outside shot is a work in progress, but has good form and knocks down his free throws.  Hes also still only 18.  Hes my guy at 17.  Id even give up one of the other picks to move up a couple of slots.

Look at that 68 physique at 18 and a few months



above the rim  https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=RDCMUC0hy7TcR1gGD8nQBqrF2FaA&v=9K02y0J0JHI&index=21

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXSdXHR6XcU

83.8% free throws

Is his ceiling like a combination of Maurice Harkless and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?

Say a poor man's Jonathan Isaac?

He has better shooting potential both in spot ups and off of screens than MKG or Harkless. I dont think P Williams will move on the perimeter well enough to defend higher end wings. Ideally defensively I see him thriving as a G Williams style Swing man who  spends some time at the small ball 5. This will allow him to take advantage of slower defenders on offense. In that role he could be an excellent long term addition for the Cs.
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« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2020, 07:05:13 AM »

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Patrick Williams.  Hes  a 68 swing with a 611 wingspan.  Hes strong and athletic.  Hes a smart team defender who switches well, defends the perimeter, a decent weak side shot blocker, and can defend the paint a bit against traditional bigs (Vernon Cary).  On offense, he moves well without the ball knowing when to cut.  He plays above the rim finishing alley oops.  His outside shot is a work in progress, but has good form and knocks down his free throws.  Hes also still only 18.  Hes my guy at 17.  Id even give up one of the other picks to move up a couple of slots.

Look at that 68 physique at 18 and a few months



above the rim  https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=RDCMUC0hy7TcR1gGD8nQBqrF2FaA&v=9K02y0J0JHI&index=21

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sXSdXHR6XcU

83.8% free throws

Is his ceiling like a combination of Maurice Harkless and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist?

Say a poor man's Jonathan Isaac?

I think its hard to compare him because hes so young and played a supporting role in college.  Im confident he will be a good defender at the 3/4.  If his 3 point shooting comes along, he be a pretty good 3 and D player as well as being able to cut and finish above the rim.  He hasnt shown much as a play maker which is why he could be available at 17,  but because of his age and physical gifts, theres potential.


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« Reply #80 on: May 16, 2020, 07:06:54 AM »

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I see not many folks are impressed with Kaleb Wesson

Which is understandable.  He could still improve on his mobility to ready for the NBA.  He is in between Greg Monroe/Swanigan and Horford in terms of mobility?

But he has progressed nicely and maybe could slim down a bit more/improve footwork.  Become closer to Al Horford mobility.  Work ethic is there

He was 315 pounds out of high school. Michael Sweetney heavy size.  Two years ago slim down to 290.  Hawks and Celts gave him a tryout last offseason and recommended to work harder to slim down.

He further dropped his weight down to 255 pounds.  And had a productive season for Ohio St this past season.

He is skilled + IQ  and shot the 3 at 42 percent (top percentile) .  Avg 2 assist per game (excellent for a big)

Not sure if 30 is too high to take a risk on him...

Kaleb Wesson highlights

Junior (255 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxY0iVcwQE&t=285s

Soph (290 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPDVcmD5-A

HS final year at 315 pounds


Its interesting that he worked out for the Cs last predraft. He would fit nicely into the Cs offense. I could see him being the Cs #46 pick.
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« Reply #81 on: May 16, 2020, 09:50:29 PM »

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Re: (Sim and Mock) who would you want the Cs to take?
« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2020, 03:27:01 AM »

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I see not many folks are impressed with Kaleb Wesson

Which is understandable.  He could still improve on his mobility to ready for the NBA.  He is in between Greg Monroe/Swanigan and Horford in terms of mobility?

But he has progressed nicely and maybe could slim down a bit more/improve footwork.  Become closer to Al Horford mobility.  Work ethic is there

He was 315 pounds out of high school. Michael Sweetney heavy size.  Two years ago slim down to 290.  Hawks and Celts gave him a tryout last offseason and recommended to work harder to slim down.

He further dropped his weight down to 255 pounds.  And had a productive season for Ohio St this past season.

He is skilled + IQ  and shot the 3 at 42 percent (top percentile) .  Avg 2 assist per game (excellent for a big)

Not sure if 30 is too high to take a risk on him...

Kaleb Wesson highlights

Junior (255 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxY0iVcwQE&t=285s

Soph (290 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPDVcmD5-A

HS final year at 315 pounds


I think he’ll probably go undrafted.  If I’m looking for a big at 46 I’d be interested in  Udoka Azubuike   He’s not going to shoot the three but he can bang in the post for 10 - 15 minutes a game.  He is a very physical player 7’0, 270 lbs, 7’5 wingspan. He moves surprisingly well for such a big guy.

Azubuike highlights:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5JxpTzvAZOs
« Last Edit: May 17, 2020, 03:35:59 AM by OldSchoolDude »

Re: (Sim and Mock) who would you want the Cs to take?
« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2020, 08:07:17 AM »

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I see not many folks are impressed with Kaleb Wesson

Which is understandable.  He could still improve on his mobility to ready for the NBA.  He is in between Greg Monroe/Swanigan and Horford in terms of mobility?

But he has progressed nicely and maybe could slim down a bit more/improve footwork.  Become closer to Al Horford mobility.  Work ethic is there

He was 315 pounds out of high school. Michael Sweetney heavy size.  Two years ago slim down to 290.  Hawks and Celts gave him a tryout last offseason and recommended to work harder to slim down.

He further dropped his weight down to 255 pounds.  And had a productive season for Ohio St this past season.

He is skilled + IQ  and shot the 3 at 42 percent (top percentile) .  Avg 2 assist per game (excellent for a big)

Not sure if 30 is too high to take a risk on him...

Kaleb Wesson highlights

Junior (255 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxY0iVcwQE&t=285s

Soph (290 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPDVcmD5-A

HS final year at 315 pounds


I think hell probably go undrafted.  If Im looking for a big at 46 Id be interested in  Udoka Azubuike   Hes not going to shoot the three but he can bang in the post for 10 - 15 minutes a game.  He is a very physical player 70, 270 lbs, 75 wingspan. He moves surprisingly well for such a big guy.

Azubuike highlights:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5JxpTzvAZOs

I have recently changed my thoughts on Azubuike. If drafted in the 2nd round he could be a lost cost big man who can contribute early in his career. Im Shaqs prime he would have been a late lotto pick. With the changes in the NBA bigs in Azubuikes mold have lost their value. With that I think he becomes a value pick who could contribute 15-20 minutes of non crunch time minutes similare to how LAkers use McGee.
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« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2020, 10:59:01 AM »

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I see not many folks are impressed with Kaleb Wesson

Which is understandable.  He could still improve on his mobility to ready for the NBA.  He is in between Greg Monroe/Swanigan and Horford in terms of mobility?

But he has progressed nicely and maybe could slim down a bit more/improve footwork.  Become closer to Al Horford mobility.  Work ethic is there

He was 315 pounds out of high school. Michael Sweetney heavy size.  Two years ago slim down to 290.  Hawks and Celts gave him a tryout last offseason and recommended to work harder to slim down.

He further dropped his weight down to 255 pounds.  And had a productive season for Ohio St this past season.

He is skilled + IQ  and shot the 3 at 42 percent (top percentile) .  Avg 2 assist per game (excellent for a big)

Not sure if 30 is too high to take a risk on him...

Kaleb Wesson highlights

Junior (255 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxY0iVcwQE&t=285s

Soph (290 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPDVcmD5-A

HS final year at 315 pounds


I think hell probably go undrafted.  If Im looking for a big at 46 Id be interested in  Udoka Azubuike   Hes not going to shoot the three but he can bang in the post for 10 - 15 minutes a game.  He is a very physical player 70, 270 lbs, 75 wingspan. He moves surprisingly well for such a big guy.

Azubuike highlights:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5JxpTzvAZOs

I have recently changed my thoughts on Azubuike. If drafted in the 2nd round he could be a lost cost big man who can contribute early in his career. Im Shaqs prime he would have been a late lotto pick. With the changes in the NBA bigs in Azubuikes mold have lost their value. With that I think he becomes a value pick who could contribute 15-20 minutes of non crunch time minutes similare to how LAkers use McGee.

I was thinking about how we used Aron Baynes.  He played less then some people may remember.  He averaged 18 minutes a game in 2017-18 and 16 minutes a game in 2018-19. He averaged 6/6 both years. Sure he had some big games and he started to step out for the occasional 3, but he mostly came in to bang hard in the post. Thats how I see Azubuike. That and 6 hard fouls every time we play Philly or Milwaukee.

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« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2020, 12:54:23 PM »

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At the risk of contradicting myself (I do this a lot!), maybe we don't go for BPA.  Prioritize team need.  We have two multi-all stars (Tatum and Brown) to build around.  We have solid wings in Hayward and future one in Langford. 

What is our team need?

I would say someone perimeter shooting is priority one.  Nesmith would be awesome in that role, probably off the bench. Reminds me of Dale Ellis and Kyle Korver.  Just great at getting open for his shot. His 3 point shooting is unworldly 50 plus percent.  The guy is a 3 point machine. 

Vassel also a great option, but he is much less likely to drop to 17.

Our other team need IMO is a PG who can create his shot a/l/a Kemba Walker. I want us to compete for championships for the next 10 years, and Kemba is good for another 2-3 at best before the wheels fall off.  Guys that intrigues me the most is Alabama dude, Kira Lewis.  Hampton also interesting, although I view him more as a 1/2 than a pure PG creator.  Immanuel Quickley also comes up as a possibility as well, although his stock is pretty low right now.  Cole Anthony is intriguing, although he doesn't seem to be much of a play maker.  Hayes' stock too high, so I've written him off as realistic.  The other French kid, Maledon, is intriguing to me. Grant Riller from Charleston may have the quickest first step in college. Should be available with 30th pick. 

Curious to hear others that you guys may recommend.

Danny may try hard to trade up, given lack of roster spots, particularly if one of his guys is available.  The 26th pick could be worth a move up one or two slots.  Not sure if throwing in the 30th pick gives you much more movement up.  If he doesn't feel like the guy he wants is a pick or two ahead of where he is drafting, then he may have to trade out of the draft, into next year's.   Would be subject to protections, which could mean it would role over for another 2-3 years.  Which to me doesn't make sense for a team that wants to compete for championships starting now.

This is going to be a very interesting draft for the Celtics.   

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« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2020, 03:37:19 PM »

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At the risk of contradicting myself (I do this a lot!), maybe we don't go for BPA.  Prioritize team need.  We have two multi-all stars (Tatum and Brown) to build around.  We have solid wings in Hayward and future one in Langford. 

What is our team need?

I would say someone perimeter shooting is priority one.  Nesmith would be awesome in that role, probably off the bench. Reminds me of Dale Ellis and Kyle Korver.  Just great at getting open for his shot. His 3 point shooting is unworldly 50 plus percent.  The guy is a 3 point machine. 

Vassel also a great option, but he is much less likely to drop to 17.

Our other team need IMO is a PG who can create his shot a/l/a Kemba Walker. I want us to compete for championships for the next 10 years, and Kemba is good for another 2-3 at best before the wheels fall off.  Guys that intrigues me the most is Alabama dude, Kira Lewis.  Hampton also interesting, although I view him more as a 1/2 than a pure PG creator.  Immanuel Quickley also comes up as a possibility as well, although his stock is pretty low right now.  Cole Anthony is intriguing, although he doesn't seem to be much of a play maker.  Hayes' stock too high, so I've written him off as realistic.  The other French kid, Maledon, is intriguing to me. Grant Riller from Charleston may have the quickest first step in college. Should be available with 30th pick. 

Curious to hear others that you guys may recommend.

Danny may try hard to trade up, given lack of roster spots, particularly if one of his guys is available.  The 26th pick could be worth a move up one or two slots.  Not sure if throwing in the 30th pick gives you much more movement up.  If he doesn't feel like the guy he wants is a pick or two ahead of where he is drafting, then he may have to trade out of the draft, into next year's.   Would be subject to protections, which could mean it would role over for another 2-3 years.  Which to me doesn't make sense for a team that wants to compete for championships starting now.

This is going to be a very interesting draft for the Celtics.   

I think we need to draft a big man.  I can see us using the 26th pick on a big.  I like Jalen Smith and Daniel Oturu there.

Nesmith  is not  a good defender.  I would go with Saddiq Bey.  He shot 45% from 3 and is a lockdown defender that can switch and defend multiple positions.  He's also 6'8 with a 7'0 wingspan.  Brad would find minutes for him. 

A PG who can create his shot, I like Payton Pritchard and he can be had at 30.  These guards come to college flash potential and achieve nothing in their one year and the draft pundits fawn over them.  More often than not they don't live up to the hype, <cough> Fultz.  Pritchard is a stud player but he is a sr. and not an athletic freak so he is so overlooked in this draft.   Here are Pritchard's awards/honors:

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The first player in Pac-12 history to have 1,900 career points, 500 career rebounds and 600 career assists.
Oregons career assists record with 659, which ranks ninth in Pac-12 history.
Also UOs career leader in wins (105) games (144) and starts (140).
Ranks 2nd in UO career steals with 211.
Ranks 4th in UO career scoring with 1,938 points (23rd in Pac-12 history).
Ranks 2nd in UO career three-pointers with 288 (9th in Pac-12 history).
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AWARDS
Bob Cousy Point Guard of the Year
Lute Olson Award Player of the Year
Pac-12 Player of the Year
All-Pac-12 First Team
Bob Cousy Point Guard of the Year Award Finalist (5 players)
Naismith Trophy Finalist (5 players)
Wooden Award National Ballot (15 players)
Oscar Robertson Trophy Midseason List (12 players)
First Team All-America (Associated Press, NABC, Sporting News, The Athletic, ESPN, CBS Sports, NBC Sports, Basketball Times, Bleacher Report, NCAA March Madness, Stadium, John R. Wooden Award, USA Today)
Second Team All-America (USBWA)

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Named Pac-12 Tournament Most Outstanding Player Led the nation in total minutes played (1,349), starting all 38 games on 2018-19 68 steals rank third on the UO single-season list 175 assists are fourth on the UO single-season list Was second in the Pac-12 Conference with 1.8 steals per game Ranked third in the Pac-12 in free throw percentage at 83.8 percent Stood fourth in the Pac-12 with 4.6 assists per game Third in the Pac-12 in minutes played (35.5 per game) Led the team in assists (4.6 per game) and steals (1.8 per game), and was second in scoring (12.9 points per game) ... Scored 11 points with seven rebounds in the Sweet 16 against Virginia Had 18 points and seven assists in the NCAA Round Two win against UCI Led Oregon with 19 points and eight assists in the NCAA Tournament versus Wisconsin Brilliant Pac-12 Tournament where he led the Ducks to the title. Scored 20 points with five assists against Utah in the quarterfinals; Had 18 points and eight assists in the semifinals versus Arizona State; capped his run with 20 points and seven assists against Washington Led Ducks with 16 points and five steals in win at Washington ... Well-rounded effort on March 6 at Washington State with 15 points, seven assists and three steals Scored 18 points Feb. 28 versus Arizona State Big game at UCLA on Feb. 23 where he scored 18 points with eight assists Dished out seven assists on Feb. 16 at Oregon State Had 20 points versus Stanford Recorded his second career double-double with 20 points and a season-high 10 rebounds against California Grabbed seven rebounds and scored 12 points versus Utah Registered season-bests with eight assists and a Matthew Knight Arena record six steals against Washington State Led UO with 20 points, six rebounds, four assists and three steals versus Arizona State Paced Oregon with 14 points (four 3-pointers) at Baylor Led the Ducks with 19 points, five rebounds and three steals versus Boise State Acquired 12 points, seven assists and six rebounds versus San Diego Had 18 points and five assists versus Green Bay Netted 18 points and registered four steals against Syracuse Tallied team-highs with eight assists and two steals against EWU Led the Ducks with 22 points in the opener versus Portland State.

2017-18 | SOPHOMORE SEASON
All-Pac-12 Second Team selection led Oregon in scoring (14.5 ppg) and assists (4.8 apg) ... Ranked among the Pac-12s top 15 in seven different categories ... Ranked tied for fourth in the Pac-12 in assists per game (4.8 ) ... Tied for sixth in the Pac-12 in 3-point field goals per game (2.4) while ranking 15th in the league in scoring (14.5 ppg) ... His 171 assists ranks tied for sixth in UO single-season history, while he is ninth on the career list with 312 assists ... Tied Jamal Lawrence for 10th on the UO single-season list with 85 made three-pointers ... Was Oregons top returning player in every statistical category except blocks ... Scored in double figures in all but nine games in 2017-18 ... Tied his season-high with 4 steals against Marquette while recording 16 points in the second round NIT game ... Netted a team-high 23 points and eight assists versus Rider along with six rebounds ... Doled out seven assists in Pac-12 Tournament semifinal against USC ... Netted 18 points and six rebounds in Pac-12 Tournament opener versus Washington State ... Led UO with 14 points at Washington ... Recorded 13 points, eight assists and five rebounds in home win against Arizona ... Led the team with 23 points at UCLA with five assists in a season-high 42 minutes played ... Netted 17 points and a team-high four assists at USC ... Recorded first career double-double with 19 points and 10 assists versus Washington State ... Had eight assists and 12 points in home win against Washington ... Went 5-of-8 from three-point range to finish with a team-high 25 points in home win against UCLA ... Led the team with 18 points and 7 assists against USC ... Recorded 12 points, seven assists and a season-high 4 steals at Arizona ... Team-high 18 points and 6 assists in win at No. 11 Arizona State ... Notched 12 points, 3 steals and a team-high 4 assists versus Colorado ... Led the team with 24 points, eight assists and six rebounds against Central Arkansas ... Recorded 18 points, seven rebounds and seven assists against Portland State ... Team-high 16 points against Texas Southern ... One-point shy of season high with 28 points against Boise State ... Netted a season-high 29 points versus DePaul, going 7-of-13 from three-point range, also career-highs ... Led the team with 14 points in PK80 opener against Connecticut ... Scored 20 points versus Ball State while adding eight assists ... Led UO with eight rebounds versus Coppin State ... Made the 12-man roster for the 2017 USA Mens U19 World Cup in Cairo, Egypt ... Helped Team USA win the FIBA U19 World Cup bronze medal and was named to the World Cup All-Star team ... Averaged 9.0 points and 3.1 assists per game for the tournament ... Tallied 12 points and six assists against Spain in the bronze medal game ... Had 16 points and four assists in the semifinal loss to Canada.

2016-17 | FRESHMAN SEASON
Ranked eighth in the Pac-12 in assists (3.6) and third in assists-to-turnover ratio (2.5-to-1) ... After he moved into the starting line-up in the fifth game of the season, the Ducks went 31-4 ... Big help on the boards in Oregons Sweet 16 win over Michigan with six; also had five points and three assists ... Had 18 points and three steals in his first NCAA Tournament game versus Iona ... Contributed eight points, six rebounds and three assists in Oregons Pac-12 quarterfinal win over Cal ... Season-best five steals to go with 15 points at Stanford ... Effort to keep the ball alive in the final minute eventually led to Jordan Bells game-winning tip-in ... Had 11 assists in the home win versus Colorado ... Neared a triple-double Feb. 16 against Utah with nine points, six rebounds and seven assists ... Netted 13 points at UCLA .... Scored 19 points on 5-of-9 shooting from three-point range Jan. 28 at Colorado ... Great hustle board game Jan. 21 versus Stanford with season-best eight rebounds, seven assists, six points and two steals ... Led Ducks with 17 points (4-of-4 3-pointers) in home win against OSU ... Unsung hero in the Ducks wins over No. 2 UCLA and No. 22 USC with a combined 16 assists and just three turnovers ... Big role in Oregons defeat of No. 2 UCLA with 15 points and nine assists (only one turnover) ... Scored five points in the last 90 seconds to help set up Dillon Brooks game-winning triple ... Had seven assists in the Dec. 30 win over No. 22 USC ... Tied the Matthew Knight Arena record with 13 assists versus Savannah State ... Scored 15 points in the season opener versus Army and then 18 against Georgetown ... Reached double figures for the first time in seven games with 12 versus Montana.

HIGH SCHOOL
The top player out of the state of Oregon for 2016 and the 13th-ranked point guard in the nation according to ESPN.com A four-star recruit and the 54th-ranked player overall on the ESPN top 100 and 52nd by Scout.com for 2016 Averaged 23.6 points, 5.1 rebounds, 6.8 assists and 3.1 steals per game and knocked down 68 three-pointers as a senior, ending an incredible high school career at West Linn with his fourth consecutive state title Scored a career-high 45 points in a win over Lake Oswego on Feb. 9 Competed for Team USA at the 2016 Nike Hoop Summit, hitting four three-pointers in the fourth quarter to finish with 12 points, two assists and a steal As a junior, averaged 22 points and 5.8 assists per game en route to earning the 2014-15 Gatorade Oregon Player of the Year award and leading West Linn High School to its third straight state title Was named the 2014 Class 6A boys basketball Player of the Year after averaging 18 points and 7.5 assists per game as a sophomore as the Lions won their second consecutive 6A state title In addition to his many on-court achievements, has maintained a 3.61 GPA in the classroom.

Re: (Sim and Mock) who would you want the Cs to take?
« Reply #87 on: May 18, 2020, 10:35:12 AM »

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I see not many folks are impressed with Kaleb Wesson

Which is understandable.  He could still improve on his mobility to ready for the NBA.  He is in between Greg Monroe/Swanigan and Horford in terms of mobility?

But he has progressed nicely and maybe could slim down a bit more/improve footwork.  Become closer to Al Horford mobility.  Work ethic is there

He was 315 pounds out of high school. Michael Sweetney heavy size.  Two years ago slim down to 290.  Hawks and Celts gave him a tryout last offseason and recommended to work harder to slim down.

He further dropped his weight down to 255 pounds.  And had a productive season for Ohio St this past season.

He is skilled + IQ  and shot the 3 at 42 percent (top percentile) .  Avg 2 assist per game (excellent for a big)

Not sure if 30 is too high to take a risk on him...

Kaleb Wesson highlights

Junior (255 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxY0iVcwQE&t=285s

Soph (290 pounds)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWPDVcmD5-A

HS final year at 315 pounds


I think hell probably go undrafted.  If Im looking for a big at 46 Id be interested in  Udoka Azubuike   Hes not going to shoot the three but he can bang in the post for 10 - 15 minutes a game.  He is a very physical player 70, 270 lbs, 75 wingspan. He moves surprisingly well for such a big guy.

Azubuike highlights:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5JxpTzvAZOs

I have recently changed my thoughts on Azubuike. If drafted in the 2nd round he could be a lost cost big man who can contribute early in his career. Im Shaqs prime he would have been a late lotto pick. With the changes in the NBA bigs in Azubuikes mold have lost their value. With that I think he becomes a value pick who could contribute 15-20 minutes of non crunch time minutes similare to how LAkers use McGee.

I was thinking about how we used Aron Baynes.  He played less then some people may remember.  He averaged 18 minutes a game in 2017-18 and 16 minutes a game in 2018-19. He averaged 6/6 both years. Sure he had some big games and he started to step out for the occasional 3, but he mostly came in to bang hard in the post. Thats how I see Azubuike. That and 6 hard fouls every time we play Philly or Milwaukee.

I agree Baynes and now Kanter fill a clear role as the rotations + sized physical big man. This has been a sub 20mpg role on the Celtics for the past 3 seasons. Azubiuke would bring a different dynamic to the role with his explosive finishing at the rim and immense length. If expected to be 25+ mpg big he will fail but in this reduced role (same role Cs are trying to develop Tacko for) I think he could be a steal
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Re: (Sim and Mock) who would you want the Cs to take?
« Reply #88 on: May 18, 2020, 10:39:25 AM »

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on pritchard, thanks for bringing him into the thread. i looked at some videos and read a bit about him. so what i write here is based on a tiny bit of evidence. having said that...

on the plus side, he seems very smart. works really hard. had a very good 3 pt%. he also seems to make his team better and doesnt play only for himself.

on the non-plus side. he is 22 years old. he is 6'2". he is not very athletic. in college his level of athleticism works well. but as i watched him drive to the basket i thought "nba defenders wont let that work for him."

tankathon has him ranked in the second round, which seems about right. he seemed, to me, to be the sort of player that is a long shot in the nba, but you would love the way he plays and cheer him on.

then again, under CBS, he might find a solid role on the celtics.
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Re: (Sim and Mock) who would you want the Cs to take?
« Reply #89 on: May 18, 2020, 01:17:11 PM »

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We already have a Pritchard-type player in Edwards. Pritchard is better at running the point but Edwards is every-bit the shooter, even though he hit a cold streak early and never really rebounded. We also have Waters at PG who is developing his shot and is much more scarier on D.
Anyways, Pritchard is a second round prospect and I highly doubt DA drafts him as early as 30th. We have other needs and I think there are better players to be had. I would even pass on him at 46 but that's just me and I'm not saying he won't go that high.