Chris Mannix thinks NBA season can continue in Vegas sometime in the summer

[gift]

Honestly the nba continuing to push on this right now when a thousand people are dying a day in this country (and will soon be 2k) has crossed the line into being obnoxious

totally agree.  I don't hear other sports acting like this .   Seems the NBA is ....not the players ....is,just obcessed with promotion, lets play ball ...yada yada .   There is no way there is going to be NBA games with fans in attendance for a very long time.   You just can't throw 10 's of 1000 's of people back inside a closed space elbow to elbow without a vaccine.  Not happening . Kiss that TV money good bye and move on already. Fans are a big part of the game and DO effect the outcomes of games as teams ride the emotions of the crowd , especially in playoffs.  Playing without the fans is pointless.  ....for,the playoffs.  It decides nothing.

If they play games this year. it will be a TV only thing   I'm reading it will min of 12 months maybe 18 before world wide quantities of vaccine will be in place.  They might as well take a freak n chill pill .

Oh, if the NFL was in season you can rest assured they would be making every effort to get games played as fast as humanly possible. Those guys have zero empathy for human life and suffering. Just look what they did to their retired players for decades, as well as what they did to them in the new CBA. Or how they ignored rampant steroid abuse and concussions in the players. Believe me, the NFL wouldn't be acting any different than the NBA and might have acted worse.

What has the nba done that is so bad?

People are just questioning their desire to attempt to get this season in at all costs regardless of the reality in this country right now.

They actually haven't done anything.

I think people shouldn't question that. If they wanted to get the season in at all costs, they wouldn't have been among the first to postpone their entire season. They are clearly balancing safety with careful consideration, evidenced by the fact that they don't know what they are going to do. The notion that they shouldn't even think about it is unreasonable and unnecessary.

[saltlover]

Honestly the nba continuing to push on this right now when a thousand people are dying a day in this country (and will soon be 2k) has crossed the line into being obnoxious

totally agree.  I don't hear other sports acting like this .   Seems the NBA is ....not the players ....is,just obcessed with promotion, lets play ball ...yada yada .   There is no way there is going to be NBA games with fans in attendance for a very long time.   You just can't throw 10 's of 1000 's of people back inside a closed space elbow to elbow without a vaccine.  Not happening . Kiss that TV money good bye and move on already. Fans are a big part of the game and DO effect the outcomes of games as teams ride the emotions of the crowd , especially in playoffs.  Playing without the fans is pointless.  ....for,the playoffs.  It decides nothing.

If they play games this year. it will be a TV only thing   I'm reading it will min of 12 months maybe 18 before world wide quantities of vaccine will be in place.  They might as well take a freak n chill pill .

Oh, if the NFL was in season you can rest assured they would be making every effort to get games played as fast as humanly possible. Those guys have zero empathy for human life and suffering. Just look what they did to their retired players for decades, as well as what they did to them in the new CBA. Or how they ignored rampant steroid abuse and concussions in the players. Believe me, the NFL wouldn't be acting any different than the NBA and might have acted worse.

I think they’re just in denial.  I’m affiliated with a major performing arts organization, and publicly leadership is saying they still plan to have some of their summer programming.  But said programming includes several hundred concerts featuring artists from around the world, in both small venues designed for a few hundred attendees and large open air venues designed for over ten thousand.  And they acknowledge that some of the programming won’t happen, but gosh darn it if they won’t do something.

But privately, I don’t know a single person who thinks that there will be anything actually at a venue.

[celticsclay]

Honestly the nba continuing to push on this right now when a thousand people are dying a day in this country (and will soon be 2k) has crossed the line into being obnoxious

totally agree.  I don't hear other sports acting like this .   Seems the NBA is ....not the players ....is,just obcessed with promotion, lets play ball ...yada yada .   There is no way there is going to be NBA games with fans in attendance for a very long time.   You just can't throw 10 's of 1000 's of people back inside a closed space elbow to elbow without a vaccine.  Not happening . Kiss that TV money good bye and move on already. Fans are a big part of the game and DO effect the outcomes of games as teams ride the emotions of the crowd , especially in playoffs.  Playing without the fans is pointless.  ....for,the playoffs.  It decides nothing.

If they play games this year. it will be a TV only thing   I'm reading it will min of 12 months maybe 18 before world wide quantities of vaccine will be in place.  They might as well take a freak n chill pill .

Oh, if the NFL was in season you can rest assured they would be making every effort to get games played as fast as humanly possible. Those guys have zero empathy for human life and suffering. Just look what they did to their retired players for decades, as well as what they did to them in the new CBA. Or how they ignored rampant steroid abuse and concussions in the players. Believe me, the NFL wouldn't be acting any different than the NBA and might have acted worse.

What has the nba done that is so bad?

People are just questioning their desire to attempt to get this season in at all costs regardless of the reality in this country right now.

They actually haven't done anything.

I think people shouldn't question that. If they wanted to get the season in at all costs, they wouldn't have been among the first to postpone their entire season. They are clearly balancing safety with careful consideration, evidenced by the fact that they don't know what they are going to do. The notion that they shouldn't even think about it is unreasonable and unnecessary.

Eh, if they were doing all this stuff privately and just planning I wouldn't really care. If you contrast how the NBA and MLB have handled this it is pretty different. Silver is going around doing multiple live interviews with reporters about his goals and plans. There is a new leak almost every day about what their potential plans are. I think MLB is handling the situation with more class (and they are going to end up up missing more games/money etc considering the NBA got in 75% of the season already).

Also, you are giving the NBA waaaay tooo much credit if you think they were super progressive about handling all this in being one of "the first to cancel". Tons of businesses around the country had already moved to remote work and limited non-essential travel when the NBA was still having games. The town of San Francisco was putting in an order that would have banned home Warriors game. The IVY league had already canceled their end of season tournament. They had their hand forced by a player testing positive. They obviously had no choice at that point for a physical sweaty game where they had to immediately test 40 people that had been in contact with him. How late they were holding games actually contributed to the spread of the virus when there was at least a reason to believe having the games was a little dangerous...

[PhoSita]

People are dying

... and will still be dying in droves by this summer.


That's why I think the optics of trying to resume any kind of operations to recoup money will get the kibosh by someone -- NBA Board of Governors, local government official state officials, or whoever.

Setting aside, of course, the question of whether it will even be possible by the summer to put on the kind of gathering you're talking about and ensure the safety of everyone involved.

[gift]

Honestly the nba continuing to push on this right now when a thousand people are dying a day in this country (and will soon be 2k) has crossed the line into being obnoxious

totally agree.  I don't hear other sports acting like this .   Seems the NBA is ....not the players ....is,just obcessed with promotion, lets play ball ...yada yada .   There is no way there is going to be NBA games with fans in attendance for a very long time.   You just can't throw 10 's of 1000 's of people back inside a closed space elbow to elbow without a vaccine.  Not happening . Kiss that TV money good bye and move on already. Fans are a big part of the game and DO effect the outcomes of games as teams ride the emotions of the crowd , especially in playoffs.  Playing without the fans is pointless.  ....for,the playoffs.  It decides nothing.

If they play games this year. it will be a TV only thing   I'm reading it will min of 12 months maybe 18 before world wide quantities of vaccine will be in place.  They might as well take a freak n chill pill .

Oh, if the NFL was in season you can rest assured they would be making every effort to get games played as fast as humanly possible. Those guys have zero empathy for human life and suffering. Just look what they did to their retired players for decades, as well as what they did to them in the new CBA. Or how they ignored rampant steroid abuse and concussions in the players. Believe me, the NFL wouldn't be acting any different than the NBA and might have acted worse.

What has the nba done that is so bad?

People are just questioning their desire to attempt to get this season in at all costs regardless of the reality in this country right now.

They actually haven't done anything.

I think people shouldn't question that. If they wanted to get the season in at all costs, they wouldn't have been among the first to postpone their entire season. They are clearly balancing safety with careful consideration, evidenced by the fact that they don't know what they are going to do. The notion that they shouldn't even think about it is unreasonable and unnecessary.

Eh, if they were doing all this stuff privately and just planning I wouldn't really care. If you contrast how the NBA and MLB have handled this it is pretty different. Silver is going around doing multiple live interviews with reporters about his goals and plans. There is a new leak almost every day about what their potential plans are. I think MLB is handling the situation with more class (and they are going to end up up missing more games/money etc considering the NBA got in 75% of the season already).

Also, you are giving the NBA waaaay tooo much credit if you think they were super progressive about handling all this in being one of "the first to cancel". Tons of businesses around the country had already moved to remote work and limited non-essential travel when the NBA was still having games. The town of San Francisco was putting in an order that would have banned home Warriors game. The IVY league had already canceled their end of season tournament. They had their hand forced by a player testing positive. They obviously had no choice at that point for a physical sweaty game where they had to immediately test 40 people that had been in contact with him. How late they were holding games actually contributed to the spread of the virus when there was at least a reason to believe having the games was a little dangerous...

I'm not giving the nba too much credit. I'm responding to the thoughts that they want to get the season in "at all costs". Clearly, that's not the case. If you don't want to hear from Adam Silver or nba reporters, that's pretty easy to accomplish, unless you want to tune into to sports coverage to only hear about COVID-19, which would be bizarre.

The MLB is also in a simpler situation. They do not have to deal with all of the issues that a league heading into the stretch run of their season does. The MLB can sort of be in lockout mode.

[Amonkey]

People are dying

... and will still be dying in droves by this summer.


That's why I think the optics of trying to resume any kind of operations to recoup money will get the kibosh by someone -- NBA Board of Governors, local government official state officials, or whoever.

Setting aside, of course, the question of whether it will even be possible by the summer to put on the kind of gathering you're talking about and ensure the safety of everyone involved.

I think barring the safety of players, employees and everyone involved (essentially listening to the health care specialist whether it's feasible or not), I think it's good to have some sort of sport back into our lives. Right now there are a lot of depression, stress, fear and anxiety in the country. If sports can reduce that by offering a form of escape, then it could be a good way of keeping people at home and it may even lead to a safer home. It also brings people together and can even be used to drive home messages of staying home and so forth.

Of course, in no way should this be a priority at the moment. However, if it can be worked out where it's safe and it's not taking away resources from those that really need it, I don't see an issue with having some sort of sports back into our lives.

[KGs Knee]

The NBA exploring possible means of completing their season doesn't offend me at all.  If they can do it responsibly, I think they should.  I would be offended if they attempted to do so in a reckless manner or against the will of the stakeholders involved (players/staff/families).

But that's all the NBA is doing right now, assessing the viability of such an endeavor.  Seems legit.

[BringToughnessBack]

Having players be forced to play in the summer and abandon their families for the pocket books of the owners is a bit offensive to me.

Now, Sure, if every player agrees to play in the summer and be sequestered from everyone they love while their friends and families back home are in need of their support, that is a a different thing. This way the players and owners are all following the path of greed, families and risk be [dang]ed.

How would you like to be the player who leaves his wife who comes down with the virus and then passes away? I sure would never leave my family for my company. Never, ever, even for millions. Money is just not worth life.

Talking about resuming a season now by the owners is offensive as well. Greed is never a good bedfellow in times of a pandemic.

All owners and players should be following Marbury's lead and finding ways to get masks and ventilators to our country. I am sure some are but it should be a coordinated effort to use their fortune to help save lives.

[Tr1boy]

Having players be forced to play in the summer and abandon their families for the pocket books of the owners is a bit offensive to me.

Now, Sure, if every player agrees to play in the summer and be sequestered from everyone they love while their friends and families back home are in need of their support, that is a a different thing. This way the players and owners are all following the path of greed, families and risk be [dang]ed.

How would you like to be the player who leaves his wife who comes down with the virus and then passes away? I sure would never leave my family for my company. Never, ever, even for millions. Money is just not worth life.

Talking about resuming a season now by the owners is offensive as well. Greed is never a good bedfellow in times of a pandemic.

All owners and players should be following Marbury's lead and finding ways to get masks and ventilators to our country. I am sure some are but it should be a coordinated effort to use their fortune to help save lives.

1. your making it sound it something terrible will definitely happen. There should be faith that the NBA would be smarter than this. Remember they did the right thing and shut down the league very quickly

2.  At this very moment, they would never allow this type of tourney to happen. But in a month or two if things flatten out quite a bit, tests readily available (abbotts is already approved) and an antigen is approved ...then

3. The economy has to return.  You can't shut things down until the virus is extinguished completely. The question is when is the right time to start the wheels rolling again?  And a good place to start would be having a tourney in vegas without fans, regular testing of everyone involved

[gift]

Having players be forced to play in the summer and abandon their families for the pocket books of the owners is a bit offensive to me.

It's not just the owners' pocketbooks and you can bet the players union will be in on the decision, whatever that ultimately ends up being.

[Tr1boy]

Having players be forced to play in the summer and abandon their families for the pocket books of the owners is a bit offensive to me.

It's not just the owners' pocketbooks and you can bet the players union will be in on the decision, whatever that ultimately ends up being.

Exactly.  For this season, unlikely anybody will be able to recoup "regular profits"

It would be damage control if anything and the NBA/Players wanting to also do this for fans... who are bored out of their minds at the moment

[gift]

Having players be forced to play in the summer and abandon their families for the pocket books of the owners is a bit offensive to me.

It's not just the owners' pocketbooks and you can bet the players union will be in on the decision, whatever that ultimately ends up being.

Exactly.  For this season, unlikely anybody will be able to recoup "regular profits"

It would be damage control if anything and the NBA/Players wanting to also do this for fans... who are bored out of their minds at the moment

Adam Silver also threw out the idea of getting a group of star players together to do a charity game, if possible, and if everyone is on board. He's really brainstorming at this point and there's nothing wrong with that.

[celticsclay]

I think there are some good points on both sides of this debate, so TPs for all. I understand that it would be great to have basketball back in some capacity. I am sure I miss it just about as much as anyone. However, I just have a lot less confidence that this would really be rolled out in a safe and responsible way than some other posters. We have seen time and time again basically everyone in our country err on the side of profits and the economy too long which is why a thousand americans are now dying every day. Even the NBA specifically kept arenas packed and games going on past when significant public health and epidemiologists had started to recommend social distancing (I am not trying to single them out, basically everyone except the ivy league in basketball did the same thing). Are we really convinced the NBA wouldn't err on the side of getting their TV back versus some young healthy athletes potentially getting infected? I just don't have a lot of confidence in that. Also, for those that are saying the players really have a voice in this. I know that Lebron James has repeatedly says he does not want to play any games without fans. However, if the NBA decides to move forward with a vegas tourney to decide the chance does he really have a chance to act on this if the majority of the other NBA players want to? He clearly wouldn't sit out and miss a chance at a title even if it what he really wanted to do. Removing that angle, these things are voted on and have to just get a certain percentage not 100% right? There could be a decent number of players that vote no and don't feel comfortable leaving their kids, wives, traveling etc. However if the league votes to do this, do they actually have a choice either? Lot of complicated parts of this... 

[celticsclay]

Having players be forced to play in the summer and abandon their families for the pocket books of the owners is a bit offensive to me.

It's not just the owners' pocketbooks and you can bet the players union will be in on the decision, whatever that ultimately ends up being.

Exactly.  For this season, unlikely anybody will be able to recoup "regular profits"

It would be damage control if anything and the NBA/Players wanting to also do this for fans... who are bored out of their minds at the moment

Adam Silver also threw out the idea of getting a group of star players together to do a charity game, if possible, and if everyone is on board. He's really brainstorming at this point and there's nothing wrong with that.

I think if the NBA focused on doing this and seeing how a 25-28 player quarantined charity game  went involving only players that really wanted to do it and felt safe, everyone would be a lot happier than moving straight to a 16-30 team tournament. This would really raise money that is needed, provide entertainment and have way less risk/competitive advantage questions than trying to do the playoffs asap.

[footey]

Also, would Vegas have enough facilities for all 30 teams for the regular season?

This is a good question. But I doubt they will have all 30 teams there at once

First part of the tourney would be for the bottom teams

Once most are eliminated and 16 teams are left, there should be a way/room for teams to have a timeslot to practice etc.

They are able to do it for Vegas summer league

Again its not ideal and it would be a rush job. But better than nothing.  They would get paid. And a champion would be crowned

If you don't have fans, you don't need big basketball arenas.  You can play games pretty much anywhere they can fit a regulation court.

It's all about getting good camera angles. Floor level camera angles are awful.  Hopefully they can get higher multiple angles.