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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2020, 03:21:08 PM »

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PG: Kyle Lowry, Kemba Walker
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Khris Middleton, Luol Deng
PF: Kevin Garnett
C: David Robinson, Vlade Divac

Help me out by sharing more of your vision of your team.  How do you imagine your offense to run?  I feel like you drafted KG from the start because of his ability to be extremely productive while seamlessly fitting in along other stars.  So is he a "fitting in piece" or "focal piece" of your offense?  I think he has to become a focal piece because Lowry-VC-Middleton generated offense is not going to compete with the other offenses in this league, IMO.  So give us more of your take on how you imagine your offense to run and it will allow me to give a better assessment.

Without that, I initially think your starting offense could use a pinch more spark in it and Kemba would be a better starting PG with Lowry being your bench PG.  Kemba can move to SG in pinches if you want to play him and Lowry together, which I'm guessing you already envisioned.

I'm curious to hear other people's takes on Khris Middleton too if he's more of a role player or an offense creator in this league.  I tend to think he's more of a role player in this league, but I think you think otherwise.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2020, 03:22:43 PM »

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PG: Kyle Lowry, Kemba Walker
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Khris Middleton, Luol Deng
PF: Kevin Garnett
C: David Robinson, Vlade Divac

My guess is you're going to be a running team?

Your Bigs are long and athletic......

Love your SG-SF scoring options..VC and Kris are good defensively as well.

Love Kyle Lowry's toughness.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2020, 03:37:31 PM »

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Please take this as one mans opinion, and dont take it personally, ok?

I think the four best teams which is different than my favorite teams are:

1. Milwaukee
2. Utah
3. Philadelphia
4. Boston

Probably not coincidentally, Shaq, Lebron and Durant would have all been in my top-four draft selections (with Duncan being the other).  That said, its important to note that those guys didnt win every year.  Shaq only won four titles, and one of those was due to Wade.  Lebron has, relative to his talent, stacked teams, and relatively weak era, has only won three times.

I say that not to disparage individual players, but to point out that team construction matters more than having the top handful of guys in the league.  So why select these three?  I think they offer the best combo of elite talent and fit.

But, I could say something nice about every team in this exercise.  Its the first year in just about any of these drafts that almost every single pick is defensible.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #183 on: March 30, 2020, 03:40:39 PM »

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I think the four best teams are:

1. Milwaukee

Ha, no bias here right?


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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #184 on: March 30, 2020, 03:45:02 PM »

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I think the four best teams are:

1. Milwaukee

Ha, no bias here right?


If you're not voting yourself #1 you're doing it wrong!

Lol.  No doubt, which is why I didnt explain the pick.  Also, Im not writing 20,000 words pimping my team like back in the day.  That led to way too much competitiveness, which is bad for all. The

That said, biased or not, Im pretty psyched about the team.  I dont think I could have built a better overall team than I did.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #185 on: March 30, 2020, 03:45:23 PM »

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C: Alonzo Mourning
F: Karl Malone / Serge Ibaka
F: Giannis Antetokounmpo / Jayson Tatum
G: Manu Ginobili
G:  Mike Conley / Derrick Rose


Hey Roy, good team you've got here.  I didn't love your original 3-4-5 as much as others seemed to early on without seeing your guards, but I think you made some good picks.

One comment/suggestion/critique is that I think you've got a bit of a logjam at PF.  I'd like to see Giannis slide to the 4 some (I had him listed primarily as a PF in my predraft rankings).  He's got the size to matchup defensively there and it's generally easier to find floor spreading SFs than PFs.  Also, you kind of need him to play some PF or otherwise Tatum is playing only the minutes Giannis sits, which I imagine isn't that many, and you're not getting a ton of use out of Tatum.

I know that Zo and Malone can shoot midrange jumpers (like 80% of the bigs selected in this game can), but defenders aren't going to be glued to them out there.  Teams PF and C defenders will still be in some help position along with SF defenders playing with essentially two feet in the lane.  I do think things will get clogged up a bit.  I'd like to see Tatum start at SF, Giannis at PF, Zo at C and either bring Malone off the bench or trade him for other value.  That's just what *I* would like to see.

Also, I'm a big Derrick Rose fan.  I think Rose / Manu / Tatum / Giannis / Zo would be an electric and also highly complementary starting 5.  I'm not as big of a Conley fan as you are in this game (however I am in real life), but I think he's a fine backup point guard or you could use Manu in pinches as point guard the same way SAS used to.  I might be in the minority here though.  I drafted Rose in the all-time CB Draft as my backup point guard and envisioned him being my main creator of offense off the bench, which speaks to how highly I think of him.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #186 on: March 30, 2020, 03:59:41 PM »

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Milwaukee Bucks:

C: Alonzo Mourning
F: Karl Malone / Serge Ibaka
F: Giannis Antetokounmpo / Jayson Tatum
G: Manu Ginobili
G:  Mike Conley / Derrick Rose


Hey Roy, good team you've got here.  I didn't love your original 3-4-5 as much as others seemed to early on without seeing your guards, but I think you made some good picks.

One comment/suggestion/critique is that I think you've got a bit of a logjam at PF.  I'd like to see Giannis slide to the 4 some (I had him listed primarily as a PF in my predraft rankings).  He's got the size to matchup defensively there and it's generally easier to find floor spreading SFs than PFs.  Also, you kind of need him to play some PF or otherwise Tatum is playing only the minutes Giannis sits, which I imagine isn't that many, and you're not getting a ton of use out of Tatum.

I know that Zo and Malone can shoot midrange jumpers (like 80% of the bigs selected in this game can), but defenders aren't going to be glued to them out there.  Teams PF and C defenders will still be in some help position along with SF defenders playing with essentially two feet in the lane.  I do think things will get clogged up a bit.  I'd like to see Tatum start at SF, Giannis at PF, Zo at C and either bring Malone off the bench or trade him for other value.  That's just what *I* would like to see.

Also, I'm a big Derrick Rose fan.  I think Rose / Manu / Tatum / Giannis / Zo would be an electric and also highly complementary starting 5.  I'm not as big of a Conley fan as you are in this game (however I am in real life), but I think he's a fine backup point guard or you could use Manu in pinches as point guard the same way SAS used to.  I might be in the minority here though.  I drafted Rose in the all-time CB Draft as my backup point guard and envisioned him being my main creator of offense off the bench, which speaks to how highly I think of him.

This is a political answer, but I dont get too caught up in lineups.  My theory has always been that Im the GM, not the coach.  The coach decides the lineups and rotation.

That said, its fun to discuss them.  The best thing about Giannis other than his absolute dominance on both ends is his versatility.  In his short career, he has had years where he played the plurality of his time at PF (3 seasons), SF (2 seasons), SG (1 season) and PG (1 season).  Hes played a ton of center, too.  He will play all over on my team.  I mean, one potential small-ball lineup is Ibaka / Giannis / Tatum / Manu / Conley.  Thats four 3PT shooters and five excellent defenders.  But we will also be playing plenty of bully-ball with Zo, Malone, Rose and Giannis.

And, I dont worry about a clogged lane.  That underrates Giannis ability to attack defenses.  Guys dont score 30 ppg in 30 mpg without being able to to score against any defense.  And, Im happy with him kicking out to our guards. 

Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #187 on: March 30, 2020, 06:30:31 PM »

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PG: Jrue Holiday  / Isaiah Thomas
SG: Paul George /  Bradley Beal
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Jermaine O'Neal
C : Ben Wallace


Still debating if JO would start over LMA, but for now, that's how it stands. Heck, maybe he can start over Ben Wallace too, although I like Big Ben's toughness and grit there for now.

Digging our IT4 pick, but it does kind of make Bradley Beal redundant, even though we like what he can bring as far as top flight scoring and a little bit of playmaking.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #188 on: March 30, 2020, 06:32:10 PM »

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PG: Kyle Lowry, Kemba Walker
SG: Vince Carter
SF: Khris Middleton, Luol Deng
PF: Kevin Garnett
C: David Robinson, Vlade Divac

I like your last two picks.

Kemba Walker can provide an extra scoring punch coming off the bench, and would not hesitate to defer if he needs to. I like what Vlade brings. He brings a more finesse, playmaking style from the Center spot, so you can go in any direction as far as style of play.

Nicely put team.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #189 on: March 30, 2020, 08:10:30 PM »

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gouki, how are you thinking about lineups and shooting? Looking at the team, it jumps out that it started as very shooting heavy (e.g., Curry and Redd) with a playmaker at the wing and an electrifying big man. Your latest picks (Noah, Odom, Bynum) aren't exactly floor spacers, but they're massive. If you're running two of Curry, Williams, and Redd alongside a combination of Hill and Odom at the 3, Odom and Brand at the 4, and those bigs, do you think you have enough floor spacing? Are Williams and Redd enough if Curry is sitting, or would you look for a stretch wing or big in the next round? I'm super interested because the composition and maybe identity of your team has changed so drastically in the past 24 hours.
It is interesting that you bring this up, because my next two targets are going to be shooters on the wing. I think my team is still in that 2011 Chicago Bulls mould to a certain extent - at least the starting lineup is. Ive personally gone with the strategy of wanting quite different looks off my bench, as its just more fun for me that way. I think once the 9th round is done (Ive got two picks in the 9th, none in the 10th) Ill be able to revisit this with some shooting added to my bench.

Also, the seasons Im choosing for D-Will and Odom arent necessarily bad shooting years. Im choosing 09-10 for D-Will, where he shot 37% on 3.4 3PA a game, and Im choosing 05-06, where he shot 37% on 2.7 3PA. Obviously not lasers from deep, but above average (especially at the time for Odom) shooting which helps space the floor for Bynum, who can dominate nearly anyone on the low post. It also helps that I have two well above average passers off the bench. I think choosing a season of Odoms where he was shooting well is key to maintaining the floor spacing of this team.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #190 on: March 30, 2020, 08:17:31 PM »

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Milwaukee Bucks:

C: Alonzo Mourning
F: Karl Malone / Serge Ibaka
F: Giannis Antetokounmpo / Jayson Tatum
G: Manu Ginobili
G:  Mike Conley / Derrick Rose

Ive already given a few thoughts on this team, but I have a question - do you know which Serge Ibaka youre going to have? The better shooter (and all-round offensive played) that weve seen recently, or the shot-blocker extraordinaire we saw in OKC?
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SG: Michael Redd / Doug Christie / Leandro Barbosa
SF: Grant Hill / Hedo Turkoglu
PF: Elton Brand / Lamar Odom / Josh Smith
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #191 on: March 30, 2020, 09:01:12 PM »

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Milwaukee Bucks:

C: Alonzo Mourning
F: Karl Malone / Serge Ibaka
F: Giannis Antetokounmpo / Jayson Tatum
G: Manu Ginobili
G:  Mike Conley / Derrick Rose

Ive already given a few thoughts on this team, but I have a question - do you know which Serge Ibaka youre going to have? The better shooter (and all-round offensive played) that weve seen recently, or the shot-blocker extraordinaire we saw in OKC?

Im still debating.  Im leaning toward the 2 blocks / high 3P% version, although 3.7 blocks is enticing.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #192 on: March 30, 2020, 09:01:42 PM »

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Now for my team: Denver Nuggets:
PG: Gary Payton/Kyrie Irving
SG: Rip Hamilton
SF: Carmelo Anthony/Glenn Robinson
PF: Draymond Green
C: Tim Duncan/DeMarcus Cousins

If anyone has any suggestions/critiques, please let me know! If you feel like giving specific suggestions, you can pm me. I'd definitely appreciate it!
I think I'm just keep reposting this after every couple of rounds, just changing with each player I select.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #193 on: March 30, 2020, 09:05:58 PM »

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Oklahoma City Thunder after 8 rounds.

PG: Jrue Holiday  / Isaiah Thomas
SG: Paul George /  Bradley Beal
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Jermaine O'Neal
C : Ben Wallace


Still debating if JO would start over LMA, but for now, that's how it stands. Heck, maybe he can start over Ben Wallace too, although I like Big Ben's toughness and grit there for now.

Digging our IT4 pick, but it does kind of make Bradley Beal redundant, even though we like what he can bring as far as top flight scoring and a little bit of playmaking.
I think you should keep Aldridge as the starter. Not only do I think he's the better all-around player, but he's a much better fit next to Wallace. Ben can cover Aldridge's faults on defense. Have Jermaine O'Neal anchor the bench defense.
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Re: 2020 Historic Draft: Hows My Team Look
« Reply #194 on: March 30, 2020, 09:10:32 PM »

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Milwaukee Bucks:

C: Alonzo Mourning
F: Karl Malone / Serge Ibaka
F: Giannis Antetokounmpo / Jayson Tatum
G: Manu Ginobili
G:  Mike Conley / Derrick Rose

Ive already given a few thoughts on this team, but I have a question - do you know which Serge Ibaka youre going to have? The better shooter (and all-round offensive played) that weve seen recently, or the shot-blocker extraordinaire we saw in OKC?

Im still debating.  Im leaning toward the 2 blocks / high 3P% version, although 3.7 blocks is enticing.
Very fair, I guess it all depends on who you draft as your other bench big-man alongside him.

The Ibaka of the last two years always seems to torch the C's, sorta like a big-man version of Middleton. He's a fun player
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PG: Stephen Curry / Deron Williams / Penny Hardaway
SG: Michael Redd / Doug Christie / Leandro Barbosa
SF: Grant Hill / Hedo Turkoglu
PF: Elton Brand / Lamar Odom / Josh Smith
C: Joakim Noah / Andrew Bynum / David Lee