2020 Historical Draft Thread: Draft over. Playoffs coming soon!

[Somebody]

With 8(13), the Toronto Raptors select a strong two way big man who was a top 20 player at his best for some excellent Kings teams:

Vlade Divac

[bdm860]

Personally surprised Jordan lasted this long, and that the pick is not being heralded as a steal.

First of all, you just have the name recognition.  But especially now with everyone deep into their bench, you're telling me every team has 7-8 guys better than '01 MJ (and if you're creative, I'm down for arguing for a never-been-seen '00 MJ, though I know most aren't as accepting of that creative thinking)?

Looking at several SG/SF already drafted like Joe Johnson, Allan Houston, Eddie Jones, Richard Hamilton, Andre Iguodala etc. I think Jordan's '01 season was arguably better than their best.  Of course the obvious counter is those guys are being used as role players who do 1 specific thing well (shoot, defend, etc.), whereas how well is 38 year old Jordan going to fit in a league not lacking for scoring?

Still, I think the argument is, 38 year old Jordan, at 10-15 minutes a game off the bench, will take his game to an even higher level, not having to carry a team and play the whole game.

Jordan would have been a steal 2 rounds ago.  I don't know even know what to call this.

[Who]

Good pick. I was hoping Vlade would last a bit longer. A lot of similarities to Marc Gasol.

[Jvalin]

With the 14th pick in the 8th round, the Dallas Mavericks select Bruce Bowen.



5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2004–2008)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2003)
3× NBA champion (2003, 2005, 2007)
39.3% career three point shooter
No. 12 retired by San Antonio Spurs

[GreenFaith1819]

Personally surprised Jordan lasted this long, and that the pick is not being heralded as a steal.

First of all, you just have the name recognition.  But especially now with everyone deep into their bench, you're telling me every team has 7-8 guys better than '01 MJ (and if you're creative, I'm down for arguing for a never-been-seen '00 MJ, though I know most aren't as accepting of that creative thinking)?

Looking at several SG/SF already drafted like Joe Johnson, Allan Houston, Eddie Jones, Richard Hamilton, Andre Iguodala etc. I think Jordan's '01 season was arguably better than their best.  Of course the obvious counter is those guys are being used as role players who do 1 specific thing well (shoot, defend, etc.), whereas how well is 38 year old Jordan going to fit in a league not lacking for scoring?

Still, I think the argument is, 38 year old Jordan, at 10-15 minutes a game off the bench, will take his game to an even higher level, not having to carry a team and play the whole game.

Jordan would have been a steal 2 rounds ago.  I don't know even know what to call this.

Love Mike, but no way he was a better defender than AI at this point in his career.

Name recognition? Heck you could've drafted him in the 1st round as a SG for that.

But realistically at this point in his career not better defensively than AI - especially Finals MVP AI.

As a matter of fact - when I saw him play in his latter years in WAS he was noticeably slower....no doubt a VERY smart player but slower.

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Round 8 is now closed.

Please double check the Draftboard and Rosters to make sure I have everything correct

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TEAM ROSTERS

EASTERN CONFERENCE

BOSTON - Who
Kevin Durant
Steve Nash
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol
Rasheed Wallace
Danny Granger
Allan Houston
John Stockton

PHILADELPHIA - wdleehi
LeBron James
Ray Allen
Chauncey Billups
Rudy Gobert
Gerald Wallace
Paul Milsap
Sam Cassell
Michael Finley

TORONTO - Somebody
Kevin Garnett
David Robinson
Vince Carter
Kyle Lowey
Khris Middleton
Luol Deng
Kemba Walker
Vlade Divac

MILWAUKEE - Roy H.
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Alonzo Mourning
Karl Malone
Mano Ginobili
Derrick Rose
Jayson Tatum
Mike Conley
Serge Ibaka

MIAMI - RodyTur10
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Jimmy Butler
Brandon Roy
Andrei Kirilenko
Kevin Love
Gilbert Arenas
Rashard Lewis

INDIANA- GreenFaith1819
Dirk Nowitzki
Joel Embiid
Tony Parker
Gordon Hayward
Victor Oladipo
Andre Iguodala
Tyson Chandler
John Wall

BROOKLYN - Donoghus
Tracy McGrady
Anthony Davis
Shawn Marion
Yao Ming
Blake Griffin
Allen Iverson
Theo Ratliff
Andre Miller


WESTERN CONFERENCE

LOS ANGELES LAKERS - Celtic Fan Forever
Kobe Bryant
Chris Webber
Damian Lillard
Nikola Jokic
Metta Work Peace
Pascal Siakam
Marcus Camby
Michael Jordan

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS - gouki88
Stephen Curry
Grant Hill
Elton Brand
Michael Redd
Deron Williams
Joakim Noah
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum

DENVER - RPGenerate
Tim Duncan
Gary Payton
Draymond Green
Carmelo Anthony
Richard Hamilton
Kyrie Irving
DeMarcus Cousins
Glenn Robinson

UTAH - action781
Shaquille O'Neal
Jason Kidd
Peja Stojakovic
Al Horford
Reggie Miller
Rajon Rondo
Jaylen Brown
Carlos Boozer

DALLAS - Jvalin
Kawhi Leonard
Klay Thompson
Luka Doncic
Dikembe Mutombo
Karl Anthony-Towns
Cliff Robinson
Russell Westbrook
Bruce Bowen

HOUSTON - freshinthehouse
Dwyane Wade
James Harden
Amar'e Stoudemire
Chris Bosh
Eddie Jones
Joe Johnson
Antonio McDyess
Kristaps Porzingas

OKLAHOMA CITY - Yoki_IsTheName
Paul Pierce
Paul George
Ben Wallace
LaMarcus Aldridge
Jrue Holiday
Bradley Beal
Jermaine O'Neal
Isaiah Thomas

[Roy H.]

I wouldn’t have drafted MJ before the 12th round.  His production just didn’t deserve it.  His eFG% was .420, and his defense was way below average.

He was a sideshow, not an actual all-star level player.

Also, I think he and Kobe would have struggled together, as the aging alpha has to accept his successor.

But, it’s certainly fun to think about.  I’m thinking of drafting some broken down stars in the 13th and 14th.

[Somebody]

Interested in moving my ninth and tenth round picks for two selections in the middle of that range.

[theswitch]

Loved the Andre Miller pick. I had commented that team needed a grandfather figure to calm the offense down when T-Mac, AI, etc. made the offense too unstructured. Andre Miller is the absolutely perfect player for that role. Ratliff is a terrific complement to Blake off the bench, or Marion and AD if you want to really stifle your opponent. Loved those selections.

I've been shocked that JO last this long, and am excited for the combinations of him, Ben, and LMA. I think that team is one big away from having a really nice and flexible rotation.

Same with Tyson Chandler - his addition makes that team really flow. I'd almost consider starting him alongside Dirk so Joel can be the main option off the bench. That clears up the "who is doing what" conundrum. Let one of them be the bona fide focal point when they are on the floor.

Nobody is scoring on Dallas' wings. Awesome stuff.

The two picks I liked but am questioning the fit: Boozer as a backup big without a strong center complement next to him. I think he's too limited to thrive next to Shaq, and he and Horford don't have the size to play together against some of the other frontlines. I also love the talent of Agent Zero, but am worried about too many problems in one locker room. There are definitely a few lockers rooms that will have some interesting dynamics...I'm not convinced that should matter TOO much in this contest, but is fun to think about everyone getting along between Jimmy, Dwight, Arenas, etc.

[bdm860]

I wouldn’t have drafted MJ before the 12th round.  His production just didn’t deserve it.  His eFG% was .420, and his defense was way below average.

He was a sideshow, not an actual all-star level player.

Also, I think he and Kobe would have struggled together, as the aging alpha has to accept his successor.

But, it’s certainly fun to think about.  I’m thinking of drafting some broken down stars in the 13th and 14th.

His production, defense, was way below average for Jordan, not league wide.  Also that was for 35mpg on a bad team.  Imagine him playing 10mpg on a stacked team.  I think he'll look closer to classic MJ.

[Roy H.]

I wouldn’t have drafted MJ before the 12th round.  His production just didn’t deserve it.  His eFG% was .420, and his defense was way below average.

He was a sideshow, not an actual all-star level player.

Also, I think he and Kobe would have struggled together, as the aging alpha has to accept his successor.

But, it’s certainly fun to think about.  I’m thinking of drafting some broken down stars in the 13th and 14th.

His production, defense, was way below average for Jordan, not league wide.  Also that was for 35mpg on a bad team.  Imagine him playing 10mpg on a stacked team.  I think he'll look closer to classic MJ.

I don’t think he had it in him.  A .420 eFG% is way below average production.  It’s an unanswerable question, but I didn’t see anything in his play to suggest that his poor play was a factor of minutes. 

[GreenFaith1819]

Loved the Andre Miller pick. I had commented that team needed a grandfather figure to calm the offense down when T-Mac, AI, etc. made the offense too unstructured. Andre Miller is the absolutely perfect player for that role. Ratliff is a terrific complement to Blake off the bench, or Marion and AD if you want to really stifle your opponent. Loved those selections.

I've been shocked that JO last this long, and am excited for the combinations of him, Ben, and LMA. I think that team is one big away from having a really nice and flexible rotation.

Same with Tyson Chandler - his addition makes that team really flow. I'd almost consider starting him alongside Dirk so Joel can be the main option off the bench. That clears up the "who is doing what" conundrum. Let one of them be the bona fide focal point when they are on the floor.

Nobody is scoring on Dallas' wings. Awesome stuff.

The two picks I liked but am questioning the fit: Boozer as a backup big without a strong center complement next to him. I think he's too limited to thrive next to Shaq, and he and Horford don't have the size to play together against some of the other frontlines. I also love the talent of Agent Zero, but am worried about too many problems in one locker room. There are definitely a few lockers rooms that will have some interesting dynamics...I'm not convinced that should matter TOO much in this contest, but is fun to think about everyone getting along between Jimmy, Dwight, Arenas, etc.

I was considering the exact same thing..........

[Who]

MJ was being double and triple teamed on the regular in Washington because their team was so bad. Imagine how much better he could be playing against single coverage. Also imagine a bump in his three point shooting from playing in today's league. And playing against weaker defenses with no hand-checking. 

[GreenFaith1819]

With 8(13), the Toronto Raptors select a strong two way big man who was a top 20 player at his best for some excellent Kings teams:

Vlade Divac

Really loved those early 2000 Kings teams...

Still a few binkies left for them on the board, too.