Patriots 2020 Season

[nickagneta]

Pats going to start cam Newton even though they're not in playoff contention


Belichick is nuts. We need to see what we have in stid . Outside reps arent enough

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30601924/new-england-patriots-cam-newton-remain-starting-quarterback-vs-buffalo-bills

Might be that what we have in Stid is a non-NFL calibre player

Maybe so, but I think Bill should play Stidham anyway, because: 1) Cam is toast, and 2) they're missing the playoffs, so why not throw the inexperienced guy out there to ensure more losses and get a better draft pick?

exactly

No one will be able to answer your questions because you are correct

Because tanking and losing on purpose isn't in the makeup of football coaches and players. Doing so could get a lot of people hurt. Doing so could cost you the locker room.

I'm not talking about doing anything crazy that would get people hurt. What I'm envisioning for the Pats is similar to what often happens with NBA teams that are out of playoff contention—they sometimes shut down certain players to avoid unnecessary wear and tear.

If Cam is injured, he shouldn't be playing. If he isn't injured? I still don't see the point of playing him, as he looks to me like he's reached the end of the line in terms of his career—and no matter what, he's not playing for New England beyond this season. I doubt he plays markedly better in the last two games than he has thus far, and I really question whether he's even markedly better than Stidham at this point.

As you say, Bill sees these guys in practice every day, and he knows best who the better QB is, but sometimes players can surprise you in a good way, and since the team obviously didn't get the job done with Cam, why not give Stidham some extended burn in some meaningless games, if for no other reason than to confirm Bill's own opinion that Stidham isn't an NFL QB. At this point, I'd rather see what Stidham can or can't do than see Cam continue to throw one-hoppers.

All Bill would be doing is confirming to you that his decision is right. He is quite aware and confident that he is right so there is no reason to prove it to you.

And if course someone could get injured. What if Bill knows that Stidham constantly throws the ball high leaving his receivers vulnerable to bad hits?

[CelticsElite]

My only guess is Bill wants cam to come back to the patriots, but plans to use him as a backup after we draft a new qb

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Pats going to start cam Newton even though they're not in playoff contention


Belichick is nuts. We need to see what we have in stid . Outside reps arent enough

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30601924/new-england-patriots-cam-newton-remain-starting-quarterback-vs-buffalo-bills

Might be that what we have in Stid is a non-NFL calibre player

Maybe so, but I think Bill should play Stidham anyway, because: 1) Cam is toast, and 2) they're missing the playoffs, so why not throw the inexperienced guy out there to ensure more losses and get a better draft pick?

exactly

No one will be able to answer your questions because you are correct

Because tanking and losing on purpose isn't in the makeup of football coaches and players. Doing so could get a lot of people hurt. Doing so could cost you the locker room.

I'm not talking about doing anything crazy that would get people hurt. What I'm envisioning for the Pats is similar to what often happens with NBA teams that are out of playoff contention—they sometimes shut down certain players to avoid unnecessary wear and tear.

If Cam is injured, he shouldn't be playing. If he isn't injured? I still don't see the point of playing him, as he looks to me like he's reached the end of the line in terms of his career—and no matter what, he's not playing for New England beyond this season. I doubt he plays markedly better in the last two games than he has thus far, and I really question whether he's even markedly better than Stidham at this point.

As you say, Bill sees these guys in practice every day, and he knows best who the better QB is, but sometimes players can surprise you in a good way, and since the team obviously didn't get the job done with Cam, why not give Stidham some extended burn in some meaningless games, if for no other reason than to confirm Bill's own opinion that Stidham isn't an NFL QB. At this point, I'd rather see what Stidham can or can't do than see Cam continue to throw one-hoppers.

All Bill would be doing is confirming to you that his decision is right. He is quite aware and confident that he is right so there is no reason to prove it to you.

And if course someone could get injured. What if Bill knows that Stidham constantly throws the ball high leaving his receivers vulnerable to bad hits?

You're probably right, nick. I don't really have a horse in this race, so it doesn't really matter. Neither of them is particularly good, and neither one should be on the team next season.

[Csfan1984]

Now that Pats are out and guys are shutting down I'd argue Cam to play over Stidham. Cam gets you close to a top pick, Stidham might help win games that don't matter.

[SparzWizard]

Buffalo Bills demoralized the Patriots in Foxboro, complete season-sweep and the first time an AFC East team swept New England in a long time.

Belichick looks dejected.

[RPGenerate]

Wouldn't be surprised if we lose to the Jets next week. Honestly might be beneficial to us. A loss could put us in range of someone like a Trey Lance.

[CelticsElite]

We need to tank. Belichick thinks the nfl is like the old days where someone like a tom Brady can slide to the 6th round or when Joe Montana was picked at the end of the 3rd round. Belichick is living in the past.

It’s tank or bust if you want a real qb. Otherwise you get stuck with the Newton’s, fitzpatricks, RG3s of the world.
 

You need a #1 to #3 draft pick to pick an elite qb

Btw this is interesting: Newton’s 34 passing yards tonight are the fewest by a Patriots starting quarterback since 1993, when Scott Secules had 13 yards in Week 10 (also at home vs. the Bills). History tends to repeat itself

[CelticsElite]

Patriots' Cam Newton vents after blowout loss: 'It's extremely frustrating, knowing what you're capable of'

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Cam Newton has mostly struck a positive chord in his first year with the New England Patriots, but after another frustrating performance in which he was pulled midway through the third quarter of a blowout loss to the Buffalo Bills, he vented.

Newton was asked about a graphic on ESPN's "Monday Night Football" broadcast that showed he woke up each day at 4:20 a.m., left his home at 4:30, and didn't retire for the night until 11:30 p.m.

"That's been my schedule for 90% of the time I've been here, so you can kind of understand the frustration I do have when I don't have the outcome, because I'm sacrificing so much. You're talking to a person who hasn't seen his kids in three months," Newton said.

"Obviously, the contract is what it is. Submitting myself to this team is something I've been doing since day one. Being accessible. Yeah, it's frustrating. It makes you mad."

Newton is playing on a one-year deal with a minimum base salary of $1.05 million. The contract includes incentives and bonuses that will ultimately increase its value by approximately $2.6 million.

[boscel33]

We need to tank. Belichick thinks the nfl is like the old days where someone like a tom Brady can slide to the 6th round or when Joe Montana was picked at the end of the 3rd round. Belichick is living in the past.

It’s tank or bust if you want a real qb. Otherwise you get stuck with the Newton’s, fitzpatricks, RG3s of the world.
 

You need a #1 to #3 draft pick to pick an elite qb

Btw this is interesting: Newton’s 34 passing yards tonight are the fewest by a Patriots starting quarterback since 1993, when Scott Secules had 13 yards in Week 10 (also at home vs. the Bills). History tends to repeat itself

No, I don't agree with the 1-3 slot for an elite QB;  Allen-7, Jackson-32, Mahommes-10, Watson-12, etc.

The issue is, you need to pick the right players when it comes time.  N'Keal Harry was rated the 6th-7th best WR when drafted in 2019, but he was #2 WR off the board.  Everyone thought the Pats would take Love last year.  I wasn't a big fan, but it seemed like a fit and a need, but the Pats trade out of the 1st. 

Don't get me wrong, last years class for the Pats, I believe is strong; Duggar, Uche, Jennings, Onwenu, and Herron all will be very good.  Asiasi and Keene will find their role, which I think for Keene will be as a FB.  The 2019 class has Chase, Harris, Cowart, and Stid, but we haven't seen Stid at all.  If they don't believe in Stid, then they probably should have drafted a QB last year, but they didn't so this year they need to figure it out.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Rookie taken this year and paired with a vet like Dalton (who starts) or Mariota.  I saw this 4 round Mock yesterday and really like it, except for the 2nd round pick.  I think the first three rounds need to address the Offense; QB, WR, WR. 

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/lists/2021-patriots-mock-draft-addressing-major-needs-including-qb-in-the-top-4-rounds/

[nickagneta]

We need to tank. Belichick thinks the nfl is like the old days where someone like a tom Brady can slide to the 6th round or when Joe Montana was picked at the end of the 3rd round. Belichick is living in the past.

It’s tank or bust if you want a real qb. Otherwise you get stuck with the Newton’s, fitzpatricks, RG3s of the world.
 

You need a #1 to #3 draft pick to pick an elite qb

Btw this is interesting: Newton’s 34 passing yards tonight are the fewest by a Patriots starting quarterback since 1993, when Scott Secules had 13 yards in Week 10 (also at home vs. the Bills). History tends to repeat itself

No, I don't agree with the 1-3 slot for an elite QB;  Allen-7, Jackson-32, Mahommes-10, Watson-12, etc.

The issue is, you need to pick the right players when it comes time.  N'Keal Harry was rated the 6th-7th best WR when drafted in 2019, but he was #2 WR off the board.  Everyone thought the Pats would take Love last year.  I wasn't a big fan, but it seemed like a fit and a need, but the Pats trade out of the 1st. 

Don't get me wrong, last years class for the Pats, I believe is strong; Duggar, Uche, Jennings, Onwenu, and Herron all will be very good.  Asiasi and Keene will find their role, which I think for Keene will be as a FB.  The 2019 class has Chase, Harris, Cowart, and Stid, but we haven't seen Stid at all.  If they don't believe in Stid, then they probably should have drafted a QB last year, but they didn't so this year they need to figure it out.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Rookie taken this year and paired with a vet like Dalton (who starts) or Mariota.  I saw this 4 round Mock yesterday and really like it, except for the 2nd round pick.  I think the first three rounds need to address the Offense; QB, WR, WR. 

https://patriotswire.usatoday.com/lists/2021-patriots-mock-draft-addressing-major-needs-including-qb-in-the-top-4-rounds/

If they don't go QB in the first, I say, if he is available, get Kyle Pitts. Dude is Gronk reborn. He will make any QB the Pats play next year infinitely better.

[PhoSita]

I knew it was likely the Pats would be largely irrelevant this year.  I did not expect them to be boring and, by the end of the season, unwatchable.  Pretty disappointing.

They're gonna have to be bad for a couple years before finding a foundation to build on again.  I really hope they can find a QB worth building around sooner rather than later. 

I truly don't want to watch another season of Cam.  I really like the guy.  It's clear he has a good attitude and works really hard.  He's just not good enough.  Maybe on another team.  Not on this one.  That's disappointing, because I thought it would be really cool to see a QB with Cam's vibrant, expressive, positive personality enjoy success in New England.

Have the Pats ever had a black QB for more than a few games (e.g. Jacoby Brissett)? 

I really appreciate what Cam tried to do this season.  It was just a bad year and a bad situation.

[Redz]

Last night's game could have been a lot more lopsided if the Bills showed the same lack of mercy the Pats have often showed under Coach Bill.  Brady would have been in that until the two minute warning.  It's hard to stay in games when you can't keep the opponent to under 10 yards per play!

I have zero confidence that the Pats will be beat the Jets next week. 

On to 2021...

[PhoSita]

Last night's game could have been a lot more lopsided if the Bills showed the same lack of mercy the Pats have often showed under Coach Bill.  Brady would have been in that until the two minute warning.  It's hard to stay in games when you can't keep the opponent to under 10 yards per play!

I have zero confidence that the Pats will be beat the Jets next week. 

On to 2021...

My fear right now isn't even that the Patriots won't be good next year, it's that they will be boring and tough to watch again.

I would take an exciting 8-8 season that shows promise for the future.

What I don't want is another 4-6 win season where the team runs an offense from 1955 and relies on weather patterns to get stops against decent opponents. 

[A Future of Stevens]

Last night's game could have been a lot more lopsided if the Bills showed the same lack of mercy the Pats have often showed under Coach Bill.  Brady would have been in that until the two minute warning.  It's hard to stay in games when you can't keep the opponent to under 10 yards per play!

I have zero confidence that the Pats will be beat the Jets next week. 

On to 2021...

My fear right now isn't even that the Patriots won't be good next year, it's that they will be boring and tough to watch again.

I would take an exciting 8-8 season that shows promise for the future.

What I don't want is another 4-6 win season where the team runs an offense from 1955 and relies on weather patterns to get stops against decent opponents.

Yeah. As sweet as the whole "Bill can control the weather" narrative was, I'd prefer to have a young QB to build around. I am hoping that Trey Lance might slide to us. We shot ourselves in the foot by not being in the hunt for for the Fields, Lance, Wilson consolation draft.

[PhoSita]

Yeah the thing that worries me is that it's not enough to find the next Jimmy Garropolo.  That can be enough if you already have a really talented team for that guy to inherit after a couple years of seasoning.  But that ship has sailed.

The Pats roster is depleted.  It will be hard to replenish that entirely through free agency, regardless of how much cap space they have. 

They will need a young QB who is talented enough to make up for deficits in talent around him until a few years have passed for them to restock the cupboard via several drafts.


Seems like for the most part those true franchise QBs are found in the upper part of the 1st round, with some very obvious and famous exceptions.


The Pats need a Mahomes / Murray / Watson type guy.  If they draft a Jared Goff or Derek Carr type, they're going to top out at mediocre.  It doesn't seem like they're going to be in a position to get that type of guy in this draft, which means waiting at least another year for an opportunity.