How good are Tatum and Brown in perspective?

[Boris Badenov]

With these guys excelling this year, I wondered: how often does a team draft in the top of the lottery two years in a row and really nail both picks?

Analysis: teams with two top 5 picks in a row, in consecutive years. Data are since 2000. I may be missing a couple but I hope not.

The year listed is the more recent, and then the player taken in that year and the one taken the year before.

PHO, 2018: Ayton/Josh Jackson
PHO, 2017: Josh Jackson/Dragan Bender
PHL, 2018: Fultz/Simmons
PHL, 2017: Simmons/J. Okafor
PHL, 2016: Okafor/Embiid
Min, 2016: Dunn/Towns
MIN, 2011: Derrick Williams/Wesley Johnson
MIN, 2010: W. Johnson/Rubio
MIN, 2009: Rubio/K. Love
CLE 2014: Wiggins/Bennett
CLE 2013: Bennett/Waiters
CLE 2012: Waiters/Irving
WAS 2013: Porter/Beal
CHI: 2006: Ty Thomas/Ben Gordon
POR 2007: Oden/Aldridge
ORL 2015: Hezonja/A. Gordon
ORL 2014: A. Gordon/Oladipo
GSW 2002: M. Dunleavy/JRich
CHA 2012: C. Zeller/Kidd-Gilchrist
CHA 2006: A. Morrison/R. Felton
CHA 2005: R. Felton/E. Okafor
SAC 2018: Bagley/Fox
SAC 2010: D. Cousins/T. Evans
ATL 2007: A. Horford/Shelden Williams
ATL 2006: S. Williams/Marvin Williams
MEM 2009: Thabeet/OJ Mayo
MEM 2008: Mayo/Conley
MEM 2019: Morant/Jackson
OKC 2008: Harden/Westbrook
OKC 2007: Westbrook/Durant

A question: knowing what we know about these guys, right now, how many would you take right now over Brown/Tatum, in their 3rd/4th years to make it even?

For me both OKC picks are the only clear winners...unless I'm mistaken those are the only ones where both players were perennial All-Stars. (Not saying our guys will both be, but I'd bet even money right now that Tatum makes 5+ and Brown makes a couple if they have decent health).

[CelticsElite]

Good work. Interesting analysis

It’s always painful remembering that Okc drafted 3 league mvps, then held on to the worst one of the bunch. Lol

I will say they did pair them with  good defensive glue guys on those okc squads like perkins, sefolosha, etc

[bopna]

I would go with Morant/Jackson.

Those 2 pairings are going to be very special. Memphis nailed it with those 2 top 4 picks.

Teams that miffed these opportunities include the Sixers, Orlando, Cavs and Minnesota.. And of course the Suns.

[Rondo9]

I would go with Morant/Jackson.

Those 2 pairings are going to be very special. Memphis nailed it with those 2 top 4 picks.

Teams that miffed these opportunities include the Sixers, Orlando, Cavs and Minnesota.. And of course the Suns.

Did Morant and Jackson take the Grizzlies to the Conference Finals?

[RockinRyA]

I would go with Morant/Jackson.

Those 2 pairings are going to be very special. Memphis nailed it with those 2 top 4 picks.

Teams that miffed these opportunities include the Sixers, Orlando, Cavs and Minnesota.. And of course the Suns.

Did Morant and Jackson take the Grizzlies to the Conference Finals?

Yeah I think its too early to tell. There were players who looked like future all-stars their rookie year but ended up just being average starter. But what else can you expect from a guy who had been calling guys bust before even playing a game

[gouki88]

I would go with Morant/Jackson.

Those 2 pairings are going to be very special. Memphis nailed it with those 2 top 4 picks.

Teams that miffed these opportunities include the Sixers, Orlando, Cavs and Minnesota.. And of course the Suns.

Weird to me that you'd go with a pairing with two players that are worse than our two (and JJJ doesn't, to me, project to be as good as either JB or JT).

[Surferdad]

Westbrook/Durant and it's not really close.

2nd place: Harden/Westbrook and it's not really close.

then all the others....

[Moranis]

Lakers are missing. 3 straight years with the 2nd pick - Russell, Ingram, Ball

Bulls are missing.  Brand 1 in 99, then Fizer at 4 in 2000 and Curry at 4 in 2001, then Williams at 2 in 2002. 

Clippers had starting in 98 - 4 straight top 5 picks with Olowokandi, Odom, Miles, Chandler (so last 2 in 2000, 2001).

As for the question, obviously the Thunder have done better with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.  We can only hope that Tatum and Brown turn into that level of player.  After that though, it doesn't look like there are better consecutive picks, though I think the Lakers with Russell and Ingram is interesting.  Right now I think Boston's players have higher ceilings, but the Lakers players collectively being more experienced have accomplished a bit more.

[slamtheking]

Lakers are missing. 3 straight years with the 2nd pick - Russell, Ingram, Ball

Bulls are missing.  Brand 1 in 99, then Fizer at 4 in 2000 and Curry at 4 in 2001, then Williams at 2 in 2002. 

Clippers had starting in 98 - 4 straight top 5 picks with Olowokandi, Odom, Miles, Chandler (so last 2 in 2000, 2001).

As for the question, obviously the Thunder have done better with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.  We can only hope that Tatum and Brown turn into that level of player.  After that though, it doesn't look like there are better consecutive picks, though I think the Lakers with Russell and Ingram is interesting.  Right now I think Boston's players have higher ceilings, but the Lakers players collectively being more experienced have accomplished a bit more.

just curious, what exactly have those Laker players accomplished other than getting used in a trade for AD?

C's team with a very young Brown and Tatum made it to the ECF and if not for an absolutely hideous shooting performance in game 7, would have made the finals.   nothing any of the Laker youth has accomplished comes close.

[Moranis]

Lakers are missing. 3 straight years with the 2nd pick - Russell, Ingram, Ball

Bulls are missing.  Brand 1 in 99, then Fizer at 4 in 2000 and Curry at 4 in 2001, then Williams at 2 in 2002. 

Clippers had starting in 98 - 4 straight top 5 picks with Olowokandi, Odom, Miles, Chandler (so last 2 in 2000, 2001).

As for the question, obviously the Thunder have done better with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.  We can only hope that Tatum and Brown turn into that level of player.  After that though, it doesn't look like there are better consecutive picks, though I think the Lakers with Russell and Ingram is interesting.  Right now I think Boston's players have higher ceilings, but the Lakers players collectively being more experienced have accomplished a bit more.

just curious, what exactly have those Laker players accomplished other than getting used in a trade for AD?

C's team with a very young Brown and Tatum made it to the ECF and if not for an absolutely hideous shooting performance in game 7, would have made the finals.   nothing any of the Laker youth has accomplished comes close.

Russell was an all star last year and Ingram is an all star this year.  Ingram's current season is the best statistical season of any of the 4 players (by a decent margin) and Russell's last year at least compares favorably to Tatum's (and he was the best player on a playoff team that despite adding Irving has collapsed this year).  I really think Ingram has been a bit forgotten in New Orleans, but his season has been absolutely amazing thus far.  Be really interesting to see how he plays with Zion moving forward.

[Fafnir]

They stack up incredibly well. Both players are having all-star caliber seasons, its not common for to draft two such players in a row. The fact that both are doing so on a team that profiles as a contender and is going to win 50+ games is even more impressive.

Only the OKC/PHI examples are similar if you extend the window to a 3 year one instead of a strict back to back.

[slamtheking]

Lakers are missing. 3 straight years with the 2nd pick - Russell, Ingram, Ball

Bulls are missing.  Brand 1 in 99, then Fizer at 4 in 2000 and Curry at 4 in 2001, then Williams at 2 in 2002. 

Clippers had starting in 98 - 4 straight top 5 picks with Olowokandi, Odom, Miles, Chandler (so last 2 in 2000, 2001).

As for the question, obviously the Thunder have done better with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.  We can only hope that Tatum and Brown turn into that level of player.  After that though, it doesn't look like there are better consecutive picks, though I think the Lakers with Russell and Ingram is interesting.  Right now I think Boston's players have higher ceilings, but the Lakers players collectively being more experienced have accomplished a bit more.

just curious, what exactly have those Laker players accomplished other than getting used in a trade for AD?

C's team with a very young Brown and Tatum made it to the ECF and if not for an absolutely hideous shooting performance in game 7, would have made the finals.   nothing any of the Laker youth has accomplished comes close.

Russell was an all star last year and Ingram is an all star this year.  Ingram's current season is the best statistical season of any of the 4 players (by a decent margin) and Russell's last year at least compares favorably to Tatum's (and he was the best player on a playoff team that despite adding Irving has collapsed this year).  I really think Ingram has been a bit forgotten in New Orleans, but his season has been absolutely amazing thus far.  Be really interesting to see how he plays with Zion moving forward.

you're talking D'Angelo Russell who made an all-star team playing for the Nets, not Lakers.  ok.  should limber up before stretching like that.

1 all-star appearance per player pales in comparison to actually playoff experience and playoff wins.  Tatum has one himself and Jaylen has had a year where he arguably should have made it as well.  not putting any stock in that.  being primary players on a team that goes deep in the playoffs and doing well in the playoffs matters a lot more.

[Somebody]

Lakers are missing. 3 straight years with the 2nd pick - Russell, Ingram, Ball

Bulls are missing.  Brand 1 in 99, then Fizer at 4 in 2000 and Curry at 4 in 2001, then Williams at 2 in 2002. 

Clippers had starting in 98 - 4 straight top 5 picks with Olowokandi, Odom, Miles, Chandler (so last 2 in 2000, 2001).

As for the question, obviously the Thunder have done better with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.  We can only hope that Tatum and Brown turn into that level of player.  After that though, it doesn't look like there are better consecutive picks, though I think the Lakers with Russell and Ingram is interesting.  Right now I think Boston's players have higher ceilings, but the Lakers players collectively being more experienced have accomplished a bit more.

just curious, what exactly have those Laker players accomplished other than getting used in a trade for AD?

C's team with a very young Brown and Tatum made it to the ECF and if not for an absolutely hideous shooting performance in game 7, would have made the finals.   nothing any of the Laker youth has accomplished comes close.

Russell was an all star last year and Ingram is an all star this year.  Ingram's current season is the best statistical season of any of the 4 players (by a decent margin) and Russell's last year at least compares favorably to Tatum's (and he was the best player on a playoff team that despite adding Irving has collapsed this year).  I really think Ingram has been a bit forgotten in New Orleans, but his season has been absolutely amazing thus far.  Be really interesting to see how he plays with Zion moving forward.

you're talking D'Angelo Russell who made an all-star team playing for the Nets, not Lakers.  ok.  should limber up before stretching like that.

1 all-star appearance per player pales in comparison to actually playoff experience and playoff wins.  Tatum has one himself and Jaylen has had a year where he arguably should have made it as well.  not putting any stock in that.  being primary players on a team that goes deep in the playoffs and doing well in the playoffs matters a lot more.

To be fair Ingram and Russell are in that fringe All-Star territory that Brown is in right now (DLO might be a bit further behind in that pack of sub All-Star players from the 31-50 range, but he's still in that bunch of guys imo). They certainly aren't a bad duo, but I'd definitely take Jaylen and Tatum over them.

[mmmmm]

Lakers are missing. 3 straight years with the 2nd pick - Russell, Ingram, Ball

Bulls are missing.  Brand 1 in 99, then Fizer at 4 in 2000 and Curry at 4 in 2001, then Williams at 2 in 2002. 

Clippers had starting in 98 - 4 straight top 5 picks with Olowokandi, Odom, Miles, Chandler (so last 2 in 2000, 2001).

As for the question, obviously the Thunder have done better with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.  We can only hope that Tatum and Brown turn into that level of player.  After that though, it doesn't look like there are better consecutive picks, though I think the Lakers with Russell and Ingram is interesting.  Right now I think Boston's players have higher ceilings, but the Lakers players collectively being more experienced have accomplished a bit more.

just curious, what exactly have those Laker players accomplished other than getting used in a trade for AD?

C's team with a very young Brown and Tatum made it to the ECF and if not for an absolutely hideous shooting performance in game 7, would have made the finals.   nothing any of the Laker youth has accomplished comes close.

Russell was an all star last year and Ingram is an all star this year.  Ingram's current season is the best statistical season of any of the 4 players (by a decent margin) and Russell's last year at least compares favorably to Tatum's (and he was the best player on a playoff team that despite adding Irving has collapsed this year).  I really think Ingram has been a bit forgotten in New Orleans, but his season has been absolutely amazing thus far.  Be really interesting to see how he plays with Zion moving forward.

Yeah, um.  Count me in the not all that impressed with AS selections for higher-usage scorers on crap teams.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Yeah, um.  Count me in the not all that impressed with AS selections for higher-usage scorers on crap teams.

Yup. It seems like there is one every year. It's the reason why I think it was good for Beal and Booker to left off. Young has been on an entirely different level this year, which is why I'm ok with him (even though I'm not a huge fan).