Rockets Are Shopping Capela

[gouki88]

If we were talking about collins it would be a no brainer.  Capela on the other hand doesnt move the needle enough for me.  Collins is everything the cs need in a center.  Capela is good, signed long term and fits salary wise with the rest of the contracts the cs have.  If atlanta is really rumored to want capela and moving Collins the cs need to move all the remaining assets for that guy.

Yeah, HOU reportedly asked for Smart in a Capela trade. I would pass on that. But, if we were doing a 3-way wiith ATL, I would have to think long and hard about sending out Smart in a Collins deal. I have always really liked Collins and obviously he would fit in extremely well in our line-up. We would probably have to make a follow-up deal sending out Kanter or Theis for a wing, though. Now it just sounds like I am shuffling the chairs.

In a summer when Team USA needed high upside players, especially good bigs, coach Pop kept Marcus Smart over John Collins.

That says something about who contributes more to winning I think.

Really not sure that that's the be-all and end-all

[arctic 3.0]

Don’t play around with the trade machine much anymore but tried out a few iterations of a bos, atl, hou 3way.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=uhgd3vw
Here, Houston gets Langford, Poirier (or Rob Williams), jabari Parker, and Fernando (or similar contract).
Atlanta gets Capela
Boston gets Collins

Aside from contract length and a general sense of futility  I’m not sure why Houston Is shopping Capela. But this trade gives them some decent talent and cost controlled prospects.

Atlanta gets their guy. (Maybe he’s a better fit than Collins? Maybe?
Hard to buy rumors that Collins is on the block, but hey, trade season.

Boston adds a nice piece that should fit seamlessly into our rotation.

There you go, have at it. (or, as autocorrect suggests, have a fit)
 

[gouki88]

Don’t play around with the trade machine much anymore but tried out a few iterations of a bos, atl, hou 3way.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=uhgd3vw
Here, Houston gets Langford, Poirier (or Rob Williams), jabari Parker, and Fernando (or similar contract).
Atlanta gets Capela
Boston gets Collins

Aside from contract length and a general sense of futility  I’m not sure why Houston Is shopping Capela. But this trade gives them some decent talent and cost controlled prospects.

Atlanta gets their guy. (Maybe he’s a better fit than Collins? Maybe?
Hard to buy rumors that Collins is on the block, but hey, trade season.

Boston adds a nice piece that should fit seamlessly into our rotation.

There you go, have at it. (or, as autocorrect suggests, have a fit)

I don't think that's enough for Houston, as they seem to want a 3&D wing kind of guy who can contribute right now. Also think Atlanta might need a pick to give up Collins.

However, would love if we could somehow end up with Collins in this whole thing.

[liam]

Capela is shooting 52% from the line.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Don’t play around with the trade machine much anymore but tried out a few iterations of a bos, atl, hou 3way.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=uhgd3vw
Here, Houston gets Langford, Poirier (or Rob Williams), jabari Parker, and Fernando (or similar contract).
Atlanta gets Capela
Boston gets Collins

Aside from contract length and a general sense of futility  I’m not sure why Houston Is shopping Capela. But this trade gives them some decent talent and cost controlled prospects.

Atlanta gets their guy. (Maybe he’s a better fit than Collins? Maybe?
Hard to buy rumors that Collins is on the block, but hey, trade season.

Boston adds a nice piece that should fit seamlessly into our rotation.

There you go, have at it. (or, as autocorrect suggests, have a fit)

You did see how many times Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and Grant Williams burned Collins tonight, right? Seriously, watch the highlights. All of them are against Collins.

He's athletic, but he's awful on defense, other than the occasional block. No instincts. Very low IQ. Lateral movement is poor.

He's not a defensive big, at all. We don't need another guy trying to get his 20 points.

There's a reason why Walker, Smart, Brown, and Tatum all made it over Collins on Team USA this last summer.

[rondofan1255]

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1224563595998048257?s=20

The D’Angelo Russell Domino Effect
How the Warriors’ decision on Russell ahead of Thursday’s NBA trade deadline could affect the futures of Clint Capela, Robert Covington, and more

By Kevin O'Connor  Feb 3, 2020, 11:54pm EST

The future of D’Angelo Russell has become the biggest question at the NBA’s trade deadline. But before Russell can be dealt, other dominoes will need to fall. The Wolves are in hot pursuit of Russell and are searching for assets to put together an offer that is acceptable to the Warriors. Recently, a three-way deal was discussed that would have sent Robert Covington to Houston, Clint Capela to Atlanta, and Brooklyn’s 2020 first-round pick from Atlanta to Minnesota, according to multiple league sources. But Golden State declined Minnesota’s offer—which included the Brooklyn first and its own first-round pick in 2020—and the three-way talks were put on pause.

All season long, league sources have said the Warriors want to see how Russell plays alongside Steph Curry, when the two-time MVP returns sometime in March, before making any dramatic changes. Golden State’s high demands for Russell are the reason Minnesota is asking so much for Covington. It’s been widely reported that the Timberwolves want two first-round picks for Covington, though league sources say they’ve also looked for packages including one first and a young player—they asked for Matisse Thybulle and a first from the Sixers, according to The Athletic’s Anthony Slater. They won’t get that much, but league sources still expect the Timberwolves to get something for Covington. Whether they keep that asset or flip it for Russell remains to be seen. But there’s a deal to be made for Russell if the Wolves can come up with enough assets and don’t protect their own first-round pick.

Houston, Philadelphia, Dallas, and Denver are interested in Covington, sources say. Dallas and Denver have minimal interest, which puts Houston and Philadelphia in pole position for one of the league’s most reputable 3-and-D wings. Covington isn’t moving as nimbly on defense as he has in past seasons following knee surgery last April, but he’s still a solid, reliable defender who could help a playoff team and shoot at an above-average clip from 3, which explains Houston’s interest.

Acquiring Covington isn’t simple for the Rockets; they’d need to find a third team for Capela. Atlanta, Boston, and Brooklyn are among the teams that Houston has approached for the center. League sources say the Rockets offered Capela to the Nets for a package that included Jarrett Allen and Taurean Prince, which Brooklyn declined. The Celtics have a top-six-protected first from the Grizzlies that will become unprotected next year that they could dangle in a trade—but considering Memphis is currently eighth in the West, that pick is likely to convey this season—as well as rookie wing Romeo Langford. The Hawks remain the most likely destination for Capela, which would lead to a whole different set of possibilities.

If the Hawks land Capela, it means they probably will have found a new home for John Collins. Though Collins has had success as a pick-and-roll partner with point guard Trae Young, he’s expected to demand well over $20 million annually, either in an extension this summer or if he hits restricted free agency next summer. Atlanta doesn’t want to invest that type of money in Collins, considering his defensive limitations. The Hawks would prefer a cheaper alternative—such as Capela, or Cavaliers center Tristan Thompson, according to sources—and invest any savings in another ball handler who complements Young.

Houston would need a new center if Capela is moved, which could come in a three-way deal involving Atlanta, Boston, or another team, or in a separate deal involving a team like Utah for Ed Davis or Phoenix for Aron Baynes. One name to watch on the buyout market is Ian Mahinmi, who could become available, though Houston’s interest is unclear. No matter the next move, trading Capela would signal an intent to heavily focus on smaller lineups.

All these theoretical trades hinge on Minnesota’s mission to land Russell. The Timberwolves hope to make a deal now: If the Warriors choose to hold until the summer, more suitors for Russell could emerge, driving the price out of Minnesota’s range. Let’s not underrate how good Russell is: He’s a 23-year-old guard averaging 24 points while shooting 38 percent from 3 on 10 attempts per game. Those numbers are obscene. The only other guards who have averaged over 23 points and nine 3-point attempts over a full season are Curry and James Harden; Young, Luka Doncic, and Damian Lillard are also doing it this season. Russell, Curry, and Lillard are the only players shooting over 37 percent from 3 in those seasons, putting Russell in rare company.

The Warriors might stink but Russell has been even better than he was with the Nets during his first All-Star campaign. Russell earned a reputation as a dominant ball handler but the Warriors have unleashed the off-ball skills that had been hibernating since he was a freshman at Ohio State. So far this season, Russell has made 95 3-pointers in the half-court, according to Synergy Sports; 21 have come via screens, 20 via spot-ups, and 12 via dribble handoffs, a greater variety than last season, when the majority came via pick-and-roll and isolations. When Curry and Klay Thompson return, isn’t that precisely the type of player the Warriors would want?

Russell looks like a player who can fill the void left by Shaun Livingston and Andre Iguodala. Maybe he isn’t good enough defensively to perfectly fill their shoes, but it’s hard to imagine the Warriors being able to acquire a player who fits better. Considering Russell’s age, production, and contract—he’s signed through the 2022-23 season—his value may only grow if he stays healthy and continues to produce. You can understand why the Warriors would want to keep him and see what happens next season when the team is at full strength.

The reasons Golden State prefers to be patient are the same reasons Minnesota wants him so badly. Russell could form a dream partnership with Karl-Anthony Towns—a pick-and-roll playmaker who can score and pass. In the past, Towns has played with scorers like Derrick Rose and passers like Ricky Rubio, but never a player with the combo that Russell brings to the floor. The fact Russell is young—and that they’re friends off the court—only adds to the appeal.

Russell’s name won’t go away in trade talks any time soon. The Knicks are also in pursuit of him, as The Athletic’s Shams Charania and Jon Krawczynski reported. Even more suitors could emerge, should the Warriors decide to wait. Minnesota also needs to be sure there’s actually a landing spot for Covington; suitors are limited, and the Rockets could always cut out the Wolves and make a deal with just Atlanta—league sources say the Rockets and Hawks are talking without Minnesota’s involvement.

A lot could happen between now and 3 p.m. ET on Thursday. The discussions happening now could be a prelude to even bigger moves this summer—or they could wind up leading to multiple big trades at the deadline.

[Jvalin]

The D’Angelo Russell Domino Effect
(...) League sources say the Rockets offered Capela to the Nets for a package that included Jarrett Allen and Taurean Prince, which Brooklyn declined. The Celtics have a top-six-protected first from the Grizzlies that will become unprotected next year that they could dangle in a trade (...) as well as rookie wing Romeo Langford. (...)

If you ask me, the most intriguing part of the article was reading Jarrett Allen's name in the trade rumors. Not sure whether the Nets would be willing to trade him, but if they did, I'd rather have him over Capela.

Imo, Turner > Allen > Capela >>> Theis.

Salary-wise, Langford + pick(s) for Allen is a valid trade.

[Who]

I'd love to go after Jarrett Allen too.

No idea why the Nets are allowing Kyrie and Durant to force an inferior player in DeAndre Jordan over Jarrett Allen. An example of out of control player power.

[gouki88]

The D’Angelo Russell Domino Effect
(...) League sources say the Rockets offered Capela to the Nets for a package that included Jarrett Allen and Taurean Prince, which Brooklyn declined. The Celtics have a top-six-protected first from the Grizzlies that will become unprotected next year that they could dangle in a trade (...) as well as rookie wing Romeo Langford. (...)

If you ask me, the most intriguing part of the article was reading Jarrett Allen's name in the trade rumors. Not sure whether the Nets would be willing to trade him, but if they did, I'd rather have him over Capela.

Imo, Turner > Allen > Capela >>> Theis.

Salary-wise, Langford + pick(s) for Allen is a valid trade.

Brooklyn would be crazy to part ways with Allen, but if they did I would pray for us to swoop in on him. Is capable as a low-minutes starter or high-energy bench big

[celticinorlando]

It depends how healthy Capela is. Right now you can't give them Theis and be stuck with a gimpy Capela and Kanter.

Minnesota wants 2 #1's for Covington...Celtics need to bolster the bench. Would like to see a pure shooter there.

[Tr1boy]

It depends how healthy Capela is. Right now you can't give them Theis and be stuck with a gimpy Capela and Kanter.

Minnesota wants 2 #1's for Covington...Celtics need to bolster the bench. Would like to see a pure shooter there.

Covington is not worth 2 1sts

[Fafnir]

So yeah Capella may end up staying put as Houston mostly wants picks to get Covington plus a cheaper big back in a package at the end. (also they want to dump salary)

[DefenseWinsChamps]

It depends how healthy Capela is. Right now you can't give them Theis and be stuck with a gimpy Capela and Kanter.

Minnesota wants 2 #1's for Covington...Celtics need to bolster the bench. Would like to see a pure shooter there.

Covington is not worth 2 1sts

The Wolves will get essentially two firsts for him if he is traded. He's a valuable player in the modern NBA. He's a disruptive and versatile defender that doesn't need the ball a lot and stretches the court.

[Fafnir]

It depends how healthy Capela is. Right now you can't give them Theis and be stuck with a gimpy Capela and Kanter.

Minnesota wants 2 #1's for Covington...Celtics need to bolster the bench. Would like to see a pure shooter there.

Covington is not worth 2 1sts

He's worth what people will pay for him.

If the two firsts are 25 and 30 that's a far different price than 15 and 25 for example. I think two lowish firsts or a better first and a good second is reasonable given the demand for wing players on the deadline (and that he's signed through next year).

Similarly Morris is worth a pretty darn low first from NYK but not a good one.

[Jvalin]

Here's a quote from the Ringer:

It’s been widely reported that the Timberwolves want two first-round picks for Covington, though league sources say they’ve also looked for packages including one first and a young player—they asked for Matisse Thybulle and a first from the Sixers, according to The Athletic’s Anthony Slater. They won’t get that much, but league sources still expect the Timberwolves to get something for Covington. Whether they keep that asset or flip it for Russell remains to be seen.

The Wolves can ask for whatever they want. Doesn't necessarily mean that the rest of the teams are willing to meet the asking price.