Danny Ainge excuses and lack of trades(merged threads)

[Moranis]

Ainge full draft analysis based entirely on where a person would have been selected in a redraft.  They are based on ranges and obviously the better the pick the smaller the range.

2003 - Banks (underperformed), Perkins (significantly overperformed), Hunter (slightly overperformed)
2004 - Jefferson (significantly overperformed), West (average - though mental rather than physical and Boston traded him before he imploded so Ainge used that one well), Allen (overperformed), Reed (overperformed for a 2nd rounder)
2005 - Green (underperformed especially for Boston), Gomes (significantly overperformed), Greene (overperformed)
2006 - traded a lottery pick for Sebastian Telfair (wasted asset), Rondo (significantly overperformed - gave up a future 1st which turned out to be 24 in 2007 so solid trade as well)
2007 - traded a lottery pick for Ray Allen (used asset well), Davis (significantly overperformed), Pruitt (overperformed)
2008 - Giddens (horrible), Erden (overperformed)
2009 - Hudson (overperformed)
2010 - Bradley (overperformed), Harangody (overperformed)
2011 - JJJ (horrible), Moore (significantly overperformed)
2012 - Sullinger (average - though like West had potential to be so much better), Melo (horrible), Joseph (average)
2013 - Olynyk (average)
2014 - Smart (underperformed), Young (underperformed)
2015 - Rozier (average), Hunter (underperformed)
2016 - Brown (slightly underperformed), Yabusele (horrible), Zizic (average), Jackson (average), Bentil (underperformed), Nader (significantly overperformed)
2019 - Tatum (overperformed - and the trade was even better), Ojeleye (significantly overperformed), Bird (average - then ended poorly), Allen (overperformed)
2018 - Williams (average - though could still go either way)
2019 - Langford, Williams, Edwards, Waters - All too early

So really Ainge hasn't done great in the 1st round in a long time (other than Tatum).  He has however done well with his 2nd round picks, but doing well with those doesn't yield championship caliber players (except in uber rare situations) so I'd say he has been a fairly mediocre drafter on the whole, especially since Rondo (early on he had a lot more hits with Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Allen). 

[NKY fan]

Ainge full draft analysis based entirely on where a person would have been selected in a redraft.  They are based on ranges and obviously the better the pick the smaller the range.

2003 - Banks (underperformed), Perkins (significantly overperformed), Hunter (slightly overperformed)
2004 - Jefferson (significantly overperformed), West (average - though mental rather than physical and Boston traded him before he imploded so Ainge used that one well), Allen (overperformed), Reed (overperformed for a 2nd rounder)
2005 - Green (underperformed especially for Boston), Gomes (significantly overperformed), Greene (overperformed)
2006 - traded a lottery pick for Sebastian Telfair (wasted asset), Rondo (significantly overperformed - gave up a future 1st which turned out to be 24 in 2007 so solid trade as well)
2007 - traded a lottery pick for Ray Allen (used asset well), Davis (significantly overperformed), Pruitt (overperformed)
2008 - Giddens (horrible), Erden (overperformed)
2009 - Hudson (overperformed)
2010 - Bradley (overperformed), Harangody (overperformed)
2011 - JJJ (horrible), Moore (significantly overperformed)
2012 - Sullinger (average - though like West had potential to be so much better), Melo (horrible), Joseph (average)
2013 - Olynyk (average)
2014 - Smart (underperformed), Young (underperformed)
2015 - Rozier (average), Hunter (underperformed)
2016 - Brown (slightly underperformed), Yabusele (horrible), Zizic (average), Jackson (average), Bentil (underperformed), Nader (significantly overperformed)
2019 - Tatum (overperformed - and the trade was even better), Ojeleye (significantly overperformed), Bird (average - then ended poorly), Allen (overperformed)
2018 - Williams (average - though could still go either way)
2019 - Langford, Williams, Edwards, Waters - All too early

So really Ainge hasn't done great in the 1st round in a long time (other than Tatum).  He has however done well with his 2nd round picks, but doing well with those doesn't yield championship caliber players (except in uber rare situations) so I'd say he has been a fairly mediocre drafter on the whole, especially since Rondo (early on he had a lot more hits with Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Allen).

Ainge has been bad outside the top of the draft since he drafted Rondo.
I wonder if he and his analytics team are lagging behind the competition.
I assume that drafting process and decision making have become a lot more complex in the last 10-12 years.
With so much data available (even things like social media posts)- you have to combine quantifiable variables with things that can not be measured easily. I think some of the other teams are doing a better job at identifying and correctly mixing judgement with statistics on those things.

[celticsclay]

Ainge full draft analysis based entirely on where a person would have been selected in a redraft.  They are based on ranges and obviously the better the pick the smaller the range.

2003 - Banks (underperformed), Perkins (significantly overperformed), Hunter (slightly overperformed)
2004 - Jefferson (significantly overperformed), West (average - though mental rather than physical and Boston traded him before he imploded so Ainge used that one well), Allen (overperformed), Reed (overperformed for a 2nd rounder)
2005 - Green (underperformed especially for Boston), Gomes (significantly overperformed), Greene (overperformed)
2006 - traded a lottery pick for Sebastian Telfair (wasted asset), Rondo (significantly overperformed - gave up a future 1st which turned out to be 24 in 2007 so solid trade as well)
2007 - traded a lottery pick for Ray Allen (used asset well), Davis (significantly overperformed), Pruitt (overperformed)
2008 - Giddens (horrible), Erden (overperformed)
2009 - Hudson (overperformed)
2010 - Bradley (overperformed), Harangody (overperformed)
2011 - JJJ (horrible), Moore (significantly overperformed)
2012 - Sullinger (average - though like West had potential to be so much better), Melo (horrible), Joseph (average)
2013 - Olynyk (average)
2014 - Smart (underperformed), Young (underperformed)
2015 - Rozier (average), Hunter (underperformed)
2016 - Brown (slightly underperformed), Yabusele (horrible), Zizic (average), Jackson (average), Bentil (underperformed), Nader (significantly overperformed)
2019 - Tatum (overperformed - and the trade was even better), Ojeleye (significantly overperformed), Bird (average - then ended poorly), Allen (overperformed)
2018 - Williams (average - though could still go either way)
2019 - Langford, Williams, Edwards, Waters - All too early

So really Ainge hasn't done great in the 1st round in a long time (other than Tatum).  He has however done well with his 2nd round picks, but doing well with those doesn't yield championship caliber players (except in uber rare situations) so I'd say he has been a fairly mediocre drafter on the whole, especially since Rondo (early on he had a lot more hits with Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Allen).

Why did brown underperform? Think he still goes ahead of all 6 guys behind him. Maybe Harris is arguable

[Rosco917]

At this point IMO Danny is waiting for Tatum and Brown to reach their full maturity. That should be around the year 2022 or 23. Until then he is treading water trying to keep the fan-base on the reservation.

The signing of Hayward (minus the horrific injury) and Horford was in hopes that one or even both would mature early and blend with the veteran leadership. When Al Horford left the team this year he provided the answer to Danny's hope.


What's Danny's excuse this season? I'm not entirely sure... but I don't envy either Brad or Danny having to deal with young multimillionaire players who seek endorsements and personal accolades over playing the game the right way. It must be annoying as hell having to continually remind the players that they play this game with one ball and they need to value it.


 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

You know, I wonder if Walter McCarty had more of an impact than we thought. Maybe the Cs should get an assistant who used to play in the NBA. Someone with a long NBA career. Or maybe they should get an end-of-the-bench NBA vet who has been through a lot of ups and downs. Vince Carter, Andre Igoudala, or someone similar.

[Somebody]

Ainge full draft analysis based entirely on where a person would have been selected in a redraft.  They are based on ranges and obviously the better the pick the smaller the range.

2003 - Banks (underperformed), Perkins (significantly overperformed), Hunter (slightly overperformed)
2004 - Jefferson (significantly overperformed), West (average - though mental rather than physical and Boston traded him before he imploded so Ainge used that one well), Allen (overperformed), Reed (overperformed for a 2nd rounder)
2005 - Green (underperformed especially for Boston), Gomes (significantly overperformed), Greene (overperformed)
2006 - traded a lottery pick for Sebastian Telfair (wasted asset), Rondo (significantly overperformed - gave up a future 1st which turned out to be 24 in 2007 so solid trade as well)
2007 - traded a lottery pick for Ray Allen (used asset well), Davis (significantly overperformed), Pruitt (overperformed)
2008 - Giddens (horrible), Erden (overperformed)
2009 - Hudson (overperformed)
2010 - Bradley (overperformed), Harangody (overperformed)
2011 - JJJ (horrible), Moore (significantly overperformed)
2012 - Sullinger (average - though like West had potential to be so much better), Melo (horrible), Joseph (average)
2013 - Olynyk (average)
2014 - Smart (underperformed), Young (underperformed)
2015 - Rozier (average), Hunter (underperformed)
2016 - Brown (slightly underperformed), Yabusele (horrible), Zizic (average), Jackson (average), Bentil (underperformed), Nader (significantly overperformed)
2019 - Tatum (overperformed - and the trade was even better), Ojeleye (significantly overperformed), Bird (average - then ended poorly), Allen (overperformed)
2018 - Williams (average - though could still go either way)
2019 - Langford, Williams, Edwards, Waters - All too early

So really Ainge hasn't done great in the 1st round in a long time (other than Tatum).  He has however done well with his 2nd round picks, but doing well with those doesn't yield championship caliber players (except in uber rare situations) so I'd say he has been a fairly mediocre drafter on the whole, especially since Rondo (early on he had a lot more hits with Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Allen).

Smart and Jaylen underperformed? I think both are average at worst unless you don't value defence at all.

[Ogaju]

Ainge full draft analysis based entirely on where a person would have been selected in a redraft.  They are based on ranges and obviously the better the pick the smaller the range.

2003 - Banks (underperformed), Perkins (significantly overperformed), Hunter (slightly overperformed)
2004 - Jefferson (significantly overperformed), West (average - though mental rather than physical and Boston traded him before he imploded so Ainge used that one well), Allen (overperformed), Reed (overperformed for a 2nd rounder)
2005 - Green (underperformed especially for Boston), Gomes (significantly overperformed), Greene (overperformed)
2006 - traded a lottery pick for Sebastian Telfair (wasted asset), Rondo (significantly overperformed - gave up a future 1st which turned out to be 24 in 2007 so solid trade as well)
2007 - traded a lottery pick for Ray Allen (used asset well), Davis (significantly overperformed), Pruitt (overperformed)
2008 - Giddens (horrible), Erden (overperformed)
2009 - Hudson (overperformed)
2010 - Bradley (overperformed), Harangody (overperformed)
2011 - JJJ (horrible), Moore (significantly overperformed)
2012 - Sullinger (average - though like West had potential to be so much better), Melo (horrible), Joseph (average)
2013 - Olynyk (average)
2014 - Smart (underperformed), Young (underperformed)
2015 - Rozier (average), Hunter (underperformed)
2016 - Brown (slightly underperformed), Yabusele (horrible), Zizic (average), Jackson (average), Bentil (underperformed), Nader (significantly overperformed)
2019 - Tatum (overperformed - and the trade was even better), Ojeleye (significantly overperformed), Bird (average - then ended poorly), Allen (overperformed)
2018 - Williams (average - though could still go either way)
2019 - Langford, Williams, Edwards, Waters - All too early

So really Ainge hasn't done great in the 1st round in a long time (other than Tatum).  He has however done well with his 2nd round picks, but doing well with those doesn't yield championship caliber players (except in uber rare situations) so I'd say he has been a fairly mediocre drafter on the whole, especially since Rondo (early on he had a lot more hits with Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Allen).

Smart and Jaylen underperformed? I think both are average at worst unless you don't value defence at all.

Yeah there is something wrong with rating Smart and Brown the same as Young.

[Moranis]

Ainge full draft analysis based entirely on where a person would have been selected in a redraft.  They are based on ranges and obviously the better the pick the smaller the range.

2003 - Banks (underperformed), Perkins (significantly overperformed), Hunter (slightly overperformed)
2004 - Jefferson (significantly overperformed), West (average - though mental rather than physical and Boston traded him before he imploded so Ainge used that one well), Allen (overperformed), Reed (overperformed for a 2nd rounder)
2005 - Green (underperformed especially for Boston), Gomes (significantly overperformed), Greene (overperformed)
2006 - traded a lottery pick for Sebastian Telfair (wasted asset), Rondo (significantly overperformed - gave up a future 1st which turned out to be 24 in 2007 so solid trade as well)
2007 - traded a lottery pick for Ray Allen (used asset well), Davis (significantly overperformed), Pruitt (overperformed)
2008 - Giddens (horrible), Erden (overperformed)
2009 - Hudson (overperformed)
2010 - Bradley (overperformed), Harangody (overperformed)
2011 - JJJ (horrible), Moore (significantly overperformed)
2012 - Sullinger (average - though like West had potential to be so much better), Melo (horrible), Joseph (average)
2013 - Olynyk (average)
2014 - Smart (underperformed), Young (underperformed)
2015 - Rozier (average), Hunter (underperformed)
2016 - Brown (slightly underperformed), Yabusele (horrible), Zizic (average), Jackson (average), Bentil (underperformed), Nader (significantly overperformed)
2019 - Tatum (overperformed - and the trade was even better), Ojeleye (significantly overperformed), Bird (average - then ended poorly), Allen (overperformed)
2018 - Williams (average - though could still go either way)
2019 - Langford, Williams, Edwards, Waters - All too early

So really Ainge hasn't done great in the 1st round in a long time (other than Tatum).  He has however done well with his 2nd round picks, but doing well with those doesn't yield championship caliber players (except in uber rare situations) so I'd say he has been a fairly mediocre drafter on the whole, especially since Rondo (early on he had a lot more hits with Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Allen).

Smart and Jaylen underperformed? I think both are average at worst unless you don't value defence at all.

Yeah there is something wrong with rating Smart and Brown the same as Young.

It isn't a reflection of the quality of the player.  Just draft position vs. position in a redraft.  In a redraft I think Brown goes in the 6-8 range since he was the 3rd pick that would be an underperform for the draft position.  I do think he could go as high as 4th (Siakam, Ingram, and Simmons all seem pretty clearly ahead of him at this point), which would change his value to average.  Of course this draft class is still new enough he could still move up or down pretty significantly (and this year he has moved in the right direction). 

I think Smart goes around 9-10 in a redraft, though there a ton of variables that would come into play in this draft (like Bojan waiting so long, Dinwiddie exploding this year, or Nurkic getting hurt) that would allow him to potentially end up as high as 4 or 5 or as low as like 12 or 13.

[PhoSita]

Ainge full draft analysis based entirely on where a person would have been selected in a redraft.  They are based on ranges and obviously the better the pick the smaller the range.

2003 - Banks (underperformed), Perkins (significantly overperformed), Hunter (slightly overperformed)
2004 - Jefferson (significantly overperformed), West (average - though mental rather than physical and Boston traded him before he imploded so Ainge used that one well), Allen (overperformed), Reed (overperformed for a 2nd rounder)
2005 - Green (underperformed especially for Boston), Gomes (significantly overperformed), Greene (overperformed)
2006 - traded a lottery pick for Sebastian Telfair (wasted asset), Rondo (significantly overperformed - gave up a future 1st which turned out to be 24 in 2007 so solid trade as well)
2007 - traded a lottery pick for Ray Allen (used asset well), Davis (significantly overperformed), Pruitt (overperformed)
2008 - Giddens (horrible), Erden (overperformed)
2009 - Hudson (overperformed)
2010 - Bradley (overperformed), Harangody (overperformed)
2011 - JJJ (horrible), Moore (significantly overperformed)
2012 - Sullinger (average - though like West had potential to be so much better), Melo (horrible), Joseph (average)
2013 - Olynyk (average)
2014 - Smart (underperformed), Young (underperformed)
2015 - Rozier (average), Hunter (underperformed)
2016 - Brown (slightly underperformed), Yabusele (horrible), Zizic (average), Jackson (average), Bentil (underperformed), Nader (significantly overperformed)
2019 - Tatum (overperformed - and the trade was even better), Ojeleye (significantly overperformed), Bird (average - then ended poorly), Allen (overperformed)
2018 - Williams (average - though could still go either way)
2019 - Langford, Williams, Edwards, Waters - All too early

So really Ainge hasn't done great in the 1st round in a long time (other than Tatum).  He has however done well with his 2nd round picks, but doing well with those doesn't yield championship caliber players (except in uber rare situations) so I'd say he has been a fairly mediocre drafter on the whole, especially since Rondo (early on he had a lot more hits with Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Allen).

Ugh do we really need to do this again

[celticsclay]

Ainge full draft analysis based entirely on where a person would have been selected in a redraft.  They are based on ranges and obviously the better the pick the smaller the range.

2003 - Banks (underperformed), Perkins (significantly overperformed), Hunter (slightly overperformed)
2004 - Jefferson (significantly overperformed), West (average - though mental rather than physical and Boston traded him before he imploded so Ainge used that one well), Allen (overperformed), Reed (overperformed for a 2nd rounder)
2005 - Green (underperformed especially for Boston), Gomes (significantly overperformed), Greene (overperformed)
2006 - traded a lottery pick for Sebastian Telfair (wasted asset), Rondo (significantly overperformed - gave up a future 1st which turned out to be 24 in 2007 so solid trade as well)
2007 - traded a lottery pick for Ray Allen (used asset well), Davis (significantly overperformed), Pruitt (overperformed)
2008 - Giddens (horrible), Erden (overperformed)
2009 - Hudson (overperformed)
2010 - Bradley (overperformed), Harangody (overperformed)
2011 - JJJ (horrible), Moore (significantly overperformed)
2012 - Sullinger (average - though like West had potential to be so much better), Melo (horrible), Joseph (average)
2013 - Olynyk (average)
2014 - Smart (underperformed), Young (underperformed)
2015 - Rozier (average), Hunter (underperformed)
2016 - Brown (slightly underperformed), Yabusele (horrible), Zizic (average), Jackson (average), Bentil (underperformed), Nader (significantly overperformed)
2019 - Tatum (overperformed - and the trade was even better), Ojeleye (significantly overperformed), Bird (average - then ended poorly), Allen (overperformed)
2018 - Williams (average - though could still go either way)
2019 - Langford, Williams, Edwards, Waters - All too early

So really Ainge hasn't done great in the 1st round in a long time (other than Tatum).  He has however done well with his 2nd round picks, but doing well with those doesn't yield championship caliber players (except in uber rare situations) so I'd say he has been a fairly mediocre drafter on the whole, especially since Rondo (early on he had a lot more hits with Rondo, Jefferson, Perkins, Allen).

Smart and Jaylen underperformed? I think both are average at worst unless you don't value defence at all.

Yeah there is something wrong with rating Smart and Brown the same as Young.

It isn't a reflection of the quality of the player.  Just draft position vs. position in a redraft.  In a redraft I think Brown goes in the 6-8 range since he was the 3rd pick that would be an underperform for the draft position.  I do think he could go as high as 4th (Siakam, Ingram, and Simmons all seem pretty clearly ahead of him at this point), which would change his value to average.  Of course this draft class is still new enough he could still move up or down pretty significantly (and this year he has moved in the right direction). 

I think Smart goes around 9-10 in a redraft, though there a ton of variables that would come into play in this draft (like Bojan waiting so long, Dinwiddie exploding this year, or Nurkic getting hurt) that would allow him to potentially end up as high as 4 or 5 or as low as like 12 or 13.

This take on Brown I really strongly disagree with. In his 4th season he is averaging 20 points on basically 50% from the field, 40% from 3 and adding in 7 rebounds and a steal while playing good defense. The guys that were around his draft position and were debated by GM's for that slot include Bender, Dunn, Hield, Murray and Chriss.  (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2643426-2016-nba-mock-draft-predicting-every-pick-in-early-june#slide7) Murray is comparable to him, but he is better than Hield because of his defense and size (not to mention he is 4 years younger). The other guys are basically fringe NBA players. You calling Brown as a slight underperform is so ridiculous it honestly makes the rest of your list difficult to take seriously. I would suggest you at worse call that an average pick or people are just going to laugh at it. (I think most would call him a slight overperform, but man underperform wow.)

[spikelovetheCelts]

Since 2012 Danny has done well. Sullinger has potential. He looked all world in Feb 2014.  KO should be the Greek freak. But now he behinds some studs. We will always remember the Washington winning performance as his swan song. Young did not turn out but I think he had good risk. Rozier is starting and playing well. He was a Homerun. We have an All NBA player for him in Kemba. Zizic is just stuck behind some good players. I would love to have him back.
Grant does all the things a great basketball player does. He will be a 10 year player.  Carsen will find his shot. Waters will be at least the first guard of a Bench. Some scouts love him. Smart looked all world the other night. We nailed that pick as well.  The Landlord blocked AD twice in the same game. He will help us in the Playoffs when we have 4 guys who can score.  But Danny did miss the Greek Freak and who are we having to beat to come out of the east.
DA is a top 5 GM. What has Houston won. Toronto got their player. We would be awesome if Davis wanted to play here.
Time will tell. I see some trades for a big out there. Dedmon would be a great pick up. Giles too. I have hope this year.

[SHAQATTACK]

Trade house  for Townes or Tank ...or both .

[jambr380]

This take on Brown I really strongly disagree with. In his 4th season he is averaging 20 points on basically 50% from the field, 40% from 3 and adding in 7 rebounds and a steal while playing good defense. The guys that were around his draft position and were debated by GM's for that slot include Bender, Dunn, Hield, Murray and Chriss.  (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2643426-2016-nba-mock-draft-predicting-every-pick-in-early-june#slide7) Murray is comparable to him, but he is better than Hield because of his defense and size (not to mention he is 4 years younger). The other guys are basically fringe NBA players. You calling Brown as a slight underperform is so ridiculous it honestly makes the rest of your list difficult to take seriously. I would suggest you at worse call that an average pick or people are just going to laugh at it. (I think most would call him a slight overperform, but man underperform wow.)

I understand his reasoning of basing his ranks on draft position, but disagree with how it was done. You make a good point of how players should be compared to those around them, not just where they would go in a re-draft. Guys like Siakam and Jokic are such outliers that they shouldn't be considered. I get why Brown and Smart aren't in the 'overperform' category, but they were absolutely the right picks based on the grouping of players we were projected to take.

Moranis' list actually makes Danny look good because of his ability to pick guys that aren't total failures late in the draft, but I think we all agree that hitting on a #3 pick is so much important than finding an end of the bench rotation player at #40. While Danny has had some great draft choices in the mid-draft earlier in his career, I am also just as satisfied with his ability to choose in the upper lottery in recent years.

[celticsclay]

This take on Brown I really strongly disagree with. In his 4th season he is averaging 20 points on basically 50% from the field, 40% from 3 and adding in 7 rebounds and a steal while playing good defense. The guys that were around his draft position and were debated by GM's for that slot include Bender, Dunn, Hield, Murray and Chriss.  (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2643426-2016-nba-mock-draft-predicting-every-pick-in-early-june#slide7) Murray is comparable to him, but he is better than Hield because of his defense and size (not to mention he is 4 years younger). The other guys are basically fringe NBA players. You calling Brown as a slight underperform is so ridiculous it honestly makes the rest of your list difficult to take seriously. I would suggest you at worse call that an average pick or people are just going to laugh at it. (I think most would call him a slight overperform, but man underperform wow.)

I understand his reasoning of basing his ranks on draft position, but disagree with how it was done. You make a good point of how players should be compared to those around them, not just where they would go in a re-draft. Guys like Siakam and Jokic are such outliers that they shouldn't be considered. I get why Brown and Smart aren't in the 'overperform' category, but they were absolutely the right picks based on the grouping of players we were projected to take.

Moranis' list actually makes Danny look good because of his ability to pick guys that aren't total failures late in the draft, but I think we all agree that hitting on a #3 pick is so much important than finding an end of the bench rotation player at #40. While Danny has had some great draft choices in the mid-draft earlier in his career, I am also just as satisfied with his ability to choose in the upper lottery in recent years.

Yea, I mean what does our team even look like if we took Dunn and Fultz instead of Brown and Tatum in those drafts?

[greg683x]

Your a .500 club the last twenty games with zero bench depth
Your under .500 vs 500 or better Teams
Zero size on the Defensive boards
Did I mention, as usual zero veteran bench depth

Memphis pick should have been traded before it lost value the last few months for a Veteran who can play

Is Danny waiting for Davis again this off-season? Or maybe he’s waiting for Durant once again in few years

Pistons under GM Dumars in 04 traded for a Veteran presence in RW mid season and it took them to a championship and a finals appearance the next season with ZERO Hall of Famers


Any of you kool-aid drinkers make sense of it? Or do most only see Green?

Danny had the Celtics set up to make the trade of all trades to exactly mirror what youre laying out in bold on a much higher scale, the problem is Lebron and his buddy ruined all of this.

Do you put Joe Dumars job in jeopardy if Rasheed Wallace refuses to go to Detroit?

So many teams around the league are in salary cap/trade asset hell, theyre fringe contendors but because of bonehead moves by their GM they cant take the next step forward.  The Wizards two years ago comes to mind as a great example.

Im at least thankful at the moment we have a GM thats put us in a position that we have more options even though plan A didnt work out.