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Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2020, 01:45:25 AM »

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He’s one of those rare players (Kobe, Wade, Draymond come to mind) that I could never envision rooting for.

So no, not interested.
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Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2020, 05:51:02 AM »

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Said it before if Simmons and Embid doesn't work you probably want to trade Embid.

Embid, Richardson and Scott
 for
Beal, Bryant, Bertans and a top 10 protected 1st.
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Irving, Rozier, Wanna
Smart, Robinson, Dozier
Tatum, Morris, Semi
Griffin, Theis, Yab
Horford, Baynes, Williams

Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2020, 08:58:31 AM »

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Seen a few Sixers fans on social media pining for them to move Embiid over Simmons.

That’s crazy right? Or is it the Ewing Theory 2.0?
I think they are coming from the point that embiid may not be in the nba past age 29... 🤷🏻‍♂️
There’s definitely an element to that, but a lot of them think they’re better without him (that I’ve seen).

Dunno what they could get for him though that would be fair for both sides.
Here's a crazy idea (assuming the Sixers move Embiid over Simmons).

Embiid + Richardson for Tatum + Hayward

(click on image to enlarge)

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qwrakgb

starting lineups after the trade
Celtics: Kemba - Richardson - Brown - Theis - Embiid.
Sixers: Simmons - Hayward - Tatum - Harris - Horford (tallest lineup in NBA history?)

It works with Kemba instead of Hayward as well.

starting lineups
Celtics: Smart - Richardson - Brown - Hayward - Embiid
Sixers: Simmons - Kemba - Tatum - Harris - Horford

Never gonna happen obviously, just saying. :P
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Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2020, 09:05:39 AM »

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You'd definitely say yes to Tatum for Embiid from the Celtics side. (after checking his medicals with a fine tooth comb, I could see red flags spiking it)

The Celtics would need to make a few other trades though to balance out the roster, we'd need some forwards to replace our two 6'8" wings. Theis isn't a PF who can play alongside Embiid for more than spot minutes.

Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2020, 10:23:34 AM »

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I don't think you trade Embiid over Simmons.  Embiid is a clear top 10 player in this league right now.  Sure his health issues are a real concern, but they would be for the acquiring team as well (thus diminishing his value).  Now if some team came with a crazy offer, you listen, but if they trade one, I think Simmons is that guy.  That said because it is fun, here are some interesting trades for Embiid that make some level of sense for both teams (some work this season, some work this summer).


Embiid, Horford for Towns, Dieng, Culver

Embiid, Horford for Collins, Reddish, Parsons, Crabbe, 2020 Protected 1st (lotto), 2022 Protected 1st (lotto)

Embiid for Gallinari, SGA, 3 of the wealth of 1st's

Embiid for Favors, Ingram, Hayes, NAW, 2020 protected 1st (top 5), 2022 1st
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Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2020, 10:28:52 AM »

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Simmons is worth a star-caliber young player, and multiple future 1sts.

For example (and I emphasize, it's JUST an example, so don't take it seriously and LAL doesn't even have a 1st rounder in 2020), something like Simmons for Kuzma, some salary (if needed, or if it's another solid player), and maybe 2 unprotected future 1sts + possibly another protected 1st (or multiple 2nds).

Something like that. It's a little hard to judge though because some teams may view him differently and depending on how he'd fit said team could determine what they'd be willing to send back.

I will say this though. Call it a bold prediction, but if PHI doesn't make the ECF this season, I think we're seeing something big happen this summer. Either Simmons or Embiid gets traded.

Correct me if I'm wrong but PHI probably won't have much, if any cap space next summer, so falling short of an ECF might push them to make a trade as I'm not sure how else they can really improve with $$$ all tied to Horford, Embiid, Simmons, and Harris already.
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Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2020, 10:31:46 AM »

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Said it before if Simmons and Embid doesn't work you probably want to trade Embid.

Embid, Richardson and Scott
 for
Beal, Bryant, Bertans and a top 10 protected 1st.

I don't understand this logic

Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2020, 10:45:43 AM »

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Correct me if I'm wrong but PHI probably won't have much, if any cap space next summer, so falling short of an ECF might push them to make a trade as I'm not sure how else they can really improve with $$$ all tied to Horford, Embiid, Simmons, and Harris already.
That is correct, they have four big money contracts (Simmons, Horford, Harris, Embiid) which eats up all their cap space.

Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2020, 10:55:47 AM »

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Said it before if Simmons and Embid doesn't work you probably want to trade Embid.

Embid, Richardson and Scott
 for
Beal, Bryant, Bertans and a top 10 protected 1st.

I don't understand this logic

I don't either. Embiid is literally the only reason PHI is a Finals threat. How far PHI goes depends on him and his health.
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Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2020, 10:59:56 AM »

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Correct me if I'm wrong but PHI probably won't have much, if any cap space next summer, so falling short of an ECF might push them to make a trade as I'm not sure how else they can really improve with $$$ all tied to Horford, Embiid, Simmons, and Harris already.
That is correct, they have four big money contracts (Simmons, Horford, Harris, Embiid) which eats up all their cap space.

Unless an absolute stud like Lillard is available for a Simmons trade,  my guess is they'll fire Brett Brown first, while running it back with Simmons/Embiid (don't think there are a lot of Horford/Harris buyers).  They'll hope their new coach can fix the problems (while also hoping Simmons develops a jump shot).  Then maybe they'll explore more Simmons trades at the deadline if the team still appears broken?

No idea who that new coach will be though.

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Re: If 76ers shop Simmons what would the market be for him?
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2020, 11:06:51 AM »

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You'd definitely say yes to Tatum for Embiid from the Celtics side. (after checking his medicals with a fine tooth comb, I could see red flags spiking it)

The Celtics would need to make a few other trades though to balance out the roster, we'd need some forwards to replace our two 6'8" wings. Theis isn't a PF who can play alongside Embiid for more than spot minutes.
Maybe Robert Williams, Poirier and Edwards plus a 1st for Bertans? I know his defence is a bit of a liability, but it's not like he doesn't try on that end, ntm that the offence of a Walker/Richardson/Brown/Bertans/Embiid lineup would be pretty nasty (ik that Richardson's percentages are pretty awful, but he'll likely get better quality shots in our offence and get a bump in efficiency).
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