Spurs (15-20) at Celtics (25-9) Game #35 1/8/20

[NKY fan]

Everyone was disgusted by his contract .. but this team for sure can use Chris Paul now

[Fafnir]

Everyone was disgusted by his contract .. but this team for sure can use Chris Paul now

I mean what?

I guess you want to play him with Kemba? Acquire him instead of Kemba?

Really weird statement.

[RockinRyA]

Everyone was disgusted by his contract .. but this team for sure can use Chris Paul now

As a backup to Kemba? Sure why not. Other than that I prefer Kemba, age and health esp.

[RockinRyA]

Watching us play vs the Spurs last night highlighted a trend in this team that I do not like.  The offensive style of the Spurs is pretty much the model that Stevens is trying to instill in his players. You hear Hayward allude to it in recent interviews as well: Teammates need to trust each other, move the ball, move without the ball. 

Also, we have gone from a team that committed the fewest turnovers to, recently, a lot of turnovers. I don't have the numbers, but I bet this trends out. Several times, when we got behind, guys try to make the "big play" which looks cool if it works, but has great risk of becoming a turnover. Smart and Brown did this last night more than once.  Brad's mandate to "hit singles" is intended to get guys to stop doing this.  A dumb turnover when you are trying to claw back is extremely discouraging.

Yeah I agree with these "homerun" or hero plays. Smart and Brown, along with Tatum and wanamaker on some plays. After the botched call when the spurs were pulling away, they tried to fight it by taking early shot clock threes trying to be the hero.

[NKY fan]

Everyone was disgusted by his contract .. but this team for sure can use Chris Paul now

I mean what?

I guess you want to play him with Kemba? Acquire him instead of Kemba?

Really weird statement.

some days I want to trade Hayward for Paul sometimes I don't ...it is one of those days that the first applies lol

[Fafnir]

Everyone was disgusted by his contract .. but this team for sure can use Chris Paul now

I mean what?

I guess you want to play him with Kemba? Acquire him instead of Kemba?

Really weird statement.

some days I want to trade Hayward for Paul sometimes I don't ...it is one of those days that the first applies lol

http://bkref.com/tiny/LboFv

I mean the crazy thing is while CP3 has been better than Hayward (and more available), its not like he's dusting Hayward. Haywards been really really good this year.

Anyways CP3 and Kemba on max deals would be an awful idea, I don't see how you play both players against elite competition.

[NKY fan]

Everyone was disgusted by his contract .. but this team for sure can use Chris Paul now

I mean what?

I guess you want to play him with Kemba? Acquire him instead of Kemba?

Really weird statement.

some days I want to trade Hayward for Paul sometimes I don't ...it is one of those days that the first applies lol

http://bkref.com/tiny/LboFv

I mean the crazy thing is while CP3 has been better than Hayward (and more available), its not like he's dusting Hayward. Haywards been really really good this year.

Anyways CP3 and Kemba on max deals would be an awful idea, I don't see how you play both players against elite competition.

Those two on max deals a year from now would be crazy yes. Hayward on another max contract will be just as crazy.
I don’t know there is something about Hayward defense game that make me think he is expendable. It’s just the way it looks on tv ... I’m not sure if there are good defense efficiency statistics and how well Hayward scores on them but to me it seems like he’s the weak cog in our defensive scheme and that matters in the playoffs.

[LilRip]

Hayward on another max deal would be crazy. And yet, isn’t his contract about to expire (or rather, isn’t his next year an option)? Isn’t that looming just over the horizon? It’s not crazy to think that some team might pay him, Horford-style.

This is as good as Hayward will be. Most nights that’s pretty good, some nights, not as good. But there’s no more “recovery” or anything. I’m fairly convinced that this season, we have Hayward at his full strength.

[tstorey_97]

The Spurs shot 55%

The Celtic's shot 41.6%

Within four minutes from the tip, they were down 10 points and were one for six from the field.

For the rest of the game, they chucked 38 three point attempts and abandoned going inside which has made them a top 5 team this season.

Ok? The Spurs shot 63% in the first quarter...what ya gonna do?

Teams learn more from getting their butt beat than being told how great they are day in and day out.

I will stay with this. If they are going to walk it up to a half court set, make one pass and throw it 26 feet at the basket....for most of the game?

Trade'm all and fire the coach!

BTW, they're going to beat Philly tonight.

[footey]

Everyone was disgusted by his contract .. but this team for sure can use Chris Paul now

I mean what?

I guess you want to play him with Kemba? Acquire him instead of Kemba?

Really weird statement.

some days I want to trade Hayward for Paul sometimes I don't ...it is one of those days that the first applies lol

http://bkref.com/tiny/LboFv

I mean the crazy thing is while CP3 has been better than Hayward (and more available), its not like he's dusting Hayward. Haywards been really really good this year.

Anyways CP3 and Kemba on max deals would be an awful idea, I don't see how you play both players against elite competition.

Those two on max deals a year from now would be crazy yes. Hayward on another max contract will be just as crazy.
I don’t know there is something about Hayward defense game that make me think he is expendable. It’s just the way it looks on tv ... I’m not sure if there are good defense efficiency statistics and how well Hayward scores on them but to me it seems like he’s the weak cog in our defensive scheme and that matters in the playoffs.

I agree with you, Hayward has looked sub par on defensive end. Lot's of guys seem to light up when he is guarding them. They either take hard to the hole, or want to post him up. He was better defensively earlier in the year.  Wondering if the lingering foot paint inhibits his defense.

[Fafnir]

Overall I feel like Hayward does his job defensively. I don't think he holds up as well one on one as our other wings, but he makes less dumb ass mistakes. Doesn't give up a ton of shooting fouls or as many back cuts or bad rotations.

Hayward 11 shooting fouls in 601 minutes (0.65 shooting fouls per 36)
Brown 36 shooting fouls in 1038 minutes  (1.25 shooting fouls per 36)
Tatum 20 shooting fouls in 1195 minutes  (0.60 shooting fouls per 36)

[SDceltGuy]

Overall I feel like Hayward does his job defensively. I don't think he holds up as well one on one as our other wings, but he makes less dumb ass mistakes. Doesn't give up a ton of shooting fouls or as many back cuts or bad rotations.

Hayward 11 shooting fouls in 601 minutes (0.65 shooting fouls per 36)
Brown 36 shooting fouls in 1038 minutes  (1.25 shooting fouls per 36)
Tatum 20 shooting fouls in 1195 minutes  (0.60 shooting fouls per 36)

Is brown usually on the toughest opponent?

[Fafnir]

Overall I feel like Hayward does his job defensively. I don't think he holds up as well one on one as our other wings, but he makes less dumb ass mistakes. Doesn't give up a ton of shooting fouls or as many back cuts or bad rotations.

Hayward 11 shooting fouls in 601 minutes (0.65 shooting fouls per 36)
Brown 36 shooting fouls in 1038 minutes  (1.25 shooting fouls per 36)
Tatum 20 shooting fouls in 1195 minutes  (0.60 shooting fouls per 36)

Is brown usually on the toughest opponent?

Nominally maybe, but given how much the Celtics switch and substitution patterns happen I don't think that's a meaningful consideration.

Much more meaningful, Jaylen's white whale is shot fakes. He almost always leaves his feet for them.

https://on.nba.com/303Yy4i

Here is the list of all the shooting fouls he's had via the NBA tracking data. It only has 29 listed which is likely due to tracking data not being available for every game (or tracking data disagreement with play by play log)

[nickagneta]

Overall I feel like Hayward does his job defensively. I don't think he holds up as well one on one as our other wings, but he makes less dumb ass mistakes. Doesn't give up a ton of shooting fouls or as many back cuts or bad rotations.

Hayward 11 shooting fouls in 601 minutes (0.65 shooting fouls per 36)
Brown 36 shooting fouls in 1038 minutes  (1.25 shooting fouls per 36)
Tatum 20 shooting fouls in 1195 minutes  (0.60 shooting fouls per 36)

Is brown usually on the toughest opponent?

Almost always. For most nights, he has been the one in the starting lineup guarding the PF as well.

[Fafnir]

NBA.com's SFL stat does not match up with the play by play information at basketball reference at all and has weird discrepancies.

I wouldn't trust the data at all. It has Tatum with 32 shooting fouls? Also has multiple shooting fouls that didn't result in FTAs somehow?