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[nickagneta]

I think that Vincent Poirier needs a fair opportunity to show what can he do to help the team.We are talking about a 7'1 center with good mobility and who was the leading rebounder in the Euroleague.

Well, he is injured and still expected out for several more weeks. Also, he has shown to be clearly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Robert Williams so, not sure he is even deserving of minutes

Again ,How can you say he is inferior than the other centers if he doesn't play ? First you have to give him a fair time of play( not 2 minutes of garbage time )Then you can judge if he is good or not.I can stand to see Grant Williams playing 20 minutes and grabbing 2 rebounds ,while Poirier is on sitting on the bench,Grant Williams is not a center,and anybody can see that.

I can say that because:

1. In every minute he has played in this season and preseason he has looked completely lost defensively and vastly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Williams on defense. Also, all three have shown that they have more to offer offensively than Poirier.

2. The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes. Stevens has even decided that an ultra small lineup with Grant Williams, a rookie, at center is better than what Poirier, who has the size of a more "normal" center,  can provide. So the coaching staff feels there are 4 guys ahead of Poirier in the center rotation. Unlike some, I trust this coaching staffs player evaluations and when and how to use players. I am not one to call for some end of bench player to get minutes simply because I need to see more video on a player to come to the same conclusion as the coaching staff that the player deserves to not get minutes.

3. I have seen bunches of vids of Poirier from his time in Europe and even over there he showed next to no offensive talent(other than dunking) and limited upside as a player. I can feel confident saying that once Poirier's Celtic contract is over I think he will head back to Europe because he just doesn't look or seem like an NBA talent.

[Birdman]

Still don’t know why a lot of ppl like Robert Williams..I know I’m in minority here but I just don’t see him as a NBA player..hope he proves me wrong

[gouki88]

Still don’t know why a lot of ppl like Robert Williams..I know I’m in minority here but I just don’t see him as a NBA player..hope he proves me wrong

4/5/1/1/1 is pretty alright for a third string centre playing 14MPG, especially in his second season, so the whole “he’s not an NBA player” thing doesn’t really fly.

[Rosco917]

It's not the offense or even the rebounding that concerns. It's the defense provided in general and mostly against playoff teams with dominating bigs.

That said I'm still not willing to breakup that core 5 for a quick fix type of player. A top five center with the right game for this Celtic team would be different. 

[Csfan1984]

Them staying healthy is my concern. They don't have the best track record

[carlucho]

I think that Vincent Poirier needs a fair opportunity to show what can he do to help the team.We are talking about a 7'1 center with good mobility and who was the leading rebounder in the Euroleague.

Well, he is injured and still expected out for several more weeks. Also, he has shown to be clearly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Robert Williams so, not sure he is even deserving of minutes

Again ,How can you say he is inferior than the other centers if he doesn't play ? First you have to give him a fair time of play( not 2 minutes of garbage time )Then you can judge if he is good or not.I can stand to see Grant Williams playing 20 minutes and grabbing 2 rebounds ,while Poirier is on sitting on the bench,Grant Williams is not a center,and anybody can see that.

I can say that because:

1. In every minute he has played in this season and preseason he has looked completely lost defensively and vastly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Williams on defense. Also, all three have shown that they have more to offer offensively than Poirier.

2. The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes. Stevens has even decided that an ultra small lineup with Grant Williams, a rookie, at center is better than what Poirier, who has the size of a more "normal" center,  can provide. So the coaching staff feels there are 4 guys ahead of Poirier in the center rotation. Unlike some, I trust this coaching staffs player evaluations and when and how to use players. I am not one to call for some end of bench player to get minutes simply because I need to see more video on a player to come to the same conclusion as the coaching staff that the player deserves to not get minutes.

3. I have seen bunches of vids of Poirier from his time in Europe and even over there he showed next to no offensive talent(other than dunking) and limited upside as a player. I can feel confident saying that once Poirier's Celtic contract is over I think he will head back to Europe because he just doesn't look or seem like an NBA talent.

Your point number 2 validates my point...2 The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes.That is exactly what I am saying and by the way you are wrong because I have seen Poirier playing 6 minutes and grabbing 5 rebounds with 3 assists and 2 blocks and a plus 10.Grant Williams will need at least 4 games to get 5 rebounds.Stevens and his staff love to have new players on the bench and we have the examples of Jaylen Brown,Robert Williams, Brad Wanamaker and even Daniel Theis.If he is such a bad player that even doesn't decerve an opportunity why they tried to bring him last year and sign him to a 2 year contract, nobody gives 2 plus millions and a 2 year contract and more important a roster spot to a lousy player.

[gouki88]

Them staying healthy is my concern. They don't have the best track record

Agree about Theis, but Kanter has been pretty healthy for big chunks of his career. He’s pretty reliable to play 70 games in a season, and that includes much bigger workloads than the one he has here.

[jambr380]

I think a minor move like getting one of the 3 among, WCS, Noel, and Poeltl will make the Celts better for the playoffs.

RWill is the future, but right now he's just not ready.

These three would all be upgrades over Poirier, but with a fully healthy rotation, I think they would struggle to get minutes. I believe in RWIII and want to see him continue to get regular minutes rather than be relegated to 4th string.

But for like Poirier and a 2nd round pick, sure, let's grab one of them. I suppose I could even be convince to trade the MIL 1st, but I would have to know RWIII isn't going to be back to normal this season.

[Fierce1]

I think that Vincent Poirier needs a fair opportunity to show what can he do to help the team.We are talking about a 7'1 center with good mobility and who was the leading rebounder in the Euroleague.

Well, he is injured and still expected out for several more weeks. Also, he has shown to be clearly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Robert Williams so, not sure he is even deserving of minutes

Again ,How can you say he is inferior than the other centers if he doesn't play ? First you have to give him a fair time of play( not 2 minutes of garbage time )Then you can judge if he is good or not.I can stand to see Grant Williams playing 20 minutes and grabbing 2 rebounds ,while Poirier is on sitting on the bench,Grant Williams is not a center,and anybody can see that.

I can say that because:

1. In every minute he has played in this season and preseason he has looked completely lost defensively and vastly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Williams on defense. Also, all three have shown that they have more to offer offensively than Poirier.

2. The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes. Stevens has even decided that an ultra small lineup with Grant Williams, a rookie, at center is better than what Poirier, who has the size of a more "normal" center,  can provide. So the coaching staff feels there are 4 guys ahead of Poirier in the center rotation. Unlike some, I trust this coaching staffs player evaluations and when and how to use players. I am not one to call for some end of bench player to get minutes simply because I need to see more video on a player to come to the same conclusion as the coaching staff that the player deserves to not get minutes.

3. I have seen bunches of vids of Poirier from his time in Europe and even over there he showed next to no offensive talent(other than dunking) and limited upside as a player. I can feel confident saying that once Poirier's Celtic contract is over I think he will head back to Europe because he just doesn't look or seem like an NBA talent.

Your point number 2 validates my point...2 The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes.That is exactly what I am saying and by the way you are wrong because I have seen Poirier playing 6 minutes and grabbing 5 rebounds with 3 assists and 2 blocks and a plus 10.Grant Williams will need at least 4 games to get 5 rebounds.Stevens and his staff love to have new players on the bench and we have the examples of Jaylen Brown,Robert Williams, Brad Wanamaker and even Daniel Theis.If he is such a bad player that even doesn't decerve an opportunity why they tried to bring him last year and sign him to a 2 year contract, nobody gives 2 plus millions and a 2 year contract and more important a roster spot to a lousy player.

Celts were just desperate.

Watching Poirier in preseason and in the regular season, there's just no indication that he's an NBA player.

Poirier is just an athletic 7-footer who got a lot of dunks in the Euro League.

He's not a rebounder like Kanter or a rim protector like RWill.

And he's nowhere near Theis' defensive abilities.

[Fierce1]

I think a minor move like getting one of the 3 among, WCS, Noel, and Poeltl will make the Celts better for the playoffs.

RWill is the future, but right now he's just not ready.

These three would all be upgrades over Poirier, but with a fully healthy rotation, I think they would struggle to get minutes. I believe in RWIII and want to see him continue to get regular minutes rather than be relegated to 4th string.

But for like Poirier and a 2nd round pick, sure, let's grab one of them. I suppose I could even be convince to trade the MIL 1st, but I would have to know RWIII isn't going to be back to normal this season.

I think RWill is the Center of the future.
He reminds me of Capela.

But the reason why I want to replace Poirier with one of the 3 Centers I mentioned, I don't think RWill is ready to be a contributor in the playoffs this season.

RWill still makes a lot of mistakes, like committing silly fouls and frequently biting on pump fakes.

That's why I think it's best if the Celts have a 3-headed monster in Theis, Kanter, and WCS or Noel or Poeltl for the playoffs.

There's no need to rush the development of RWill when right now the Celts are CLEARLY a title contender.

Some of the Celts fans are not yet sold on the idea that the Celts really have a chance at winning a championship this season.

But from what I've seen after 33 games, the Celts are legit!

[nickagneta]

I think that Vincent Poirier needs a fair opportunity to show what can he do to help the team.We are talking about a 7'1 center with good mobility and who was the leading rebounder in the Euroleague.

Well, he is injured and still expected out for several more weeks. Also, he has shown to be clearly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Robert Williams so, not sure he is even deserving of minutes

Again ,How can you say he is inferior than the other centers if he doesn't play ? First you have to give him a fair time of play( not 2 minutes of garbage time )Then you can judge if he is good or not.I can stand to see Grant Williams playing 20 minutes and grabbing 2 rebounds ,while Poirier is on sitting on the bench,Grant Williams is not a center,and anybody can see that.

I can say that because:

1. In every minute he has played in this season and preseason he has looked completely lost defensively and vastly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Williams on defense. Also, all three have shown that they have more to offer offensively than Poirier.

2. The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes. Stevens has even decided that an ultra small lineup with Grant Williams, a rookie, at center is better than what Poirier, who has the size of a more "normal" center,  can provide. So the coaching staff feels there are 4 guys ahead of Poirier in the center rotation. Unlike some, I trust this coaching staffs player evaluations and when and how to use players. I am not one to call for some end of bench player to get minutes simply because I need to see more video on a player to come to the same conclusion as the coaching staff that the player deserves to not get minutes.

3. I have seen bunches of vids of Poirier from his time in Europe and even over there he showed next to no offensive talent(other than dunking) and limited upside as a player. I can feel confident saying that once Poirier's Celtic contract is over I think he will head back to Europe because he just doesn't look or seem like an NBA talent.

Your point number 2 validates my point...2 The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes.That is exactly what I am saying and by the way you are wrong because I have seen Poirier playing 6 minutes and grabbing 5 rebounds with 3 assists and 2 blocks and a plus 10.Grant Williams will need at least 4 games to get 5 rebounds.Stevens and his staff love to have new players on the bench and we have the examples of Jaylen Brown,Robert Williams, Brad Wanamaker and even Daniel Theis.If he is such a bad player that even doesn't decerve an opportunity why they tried to bring him last year and sign him to a 2 year contract, nobody gives 2 plus millions and a 2 year contract and more important a roster spot to a lousy player.

I don't know how the coaches deciding that Poirier isn't better than Theis, Kanter, Robert Wiliiams and Grant Williams validates your point. He doesn't get rotational minutes because the coaches, who saw him all summer, at every practice, all preseason and in season have determined he isn't good enough to get those minutes.

As I said, I do not need for the coaches to play players that haven't earned minutes because they are not good enough, simply to prove to me or the fanbase that their determination is correct. But apparently, you do. Well, that isn't happening.

You also seem fixated on rebounding. Well, the Celtics are a top ten rebounding team in both total rebounding percentage and offensive rebounding percentage. It's not like plugging in Poirier is going to propel the Celtics into a much better rebounding team.

And though Grant Williams might not be a good rebounder he still provides excellent passing, excellent defensive versatility, very good overall defense, great ball handling and what looks like, the ability to stretch the floor and hit threes. That us why he gets minutes, because as an actual basketball player, Grant Williams is the much better player.

Also, you realize that a 2 year $5 million guarantee is nothing in the NBA and $1-2 million a year contracts are very normal for players that are the 14th or 15th players in the rotation, right?

[carlucho]

I think that Vincent Poirier needs a fair opportunity to show what can he do to help the team.We are talking about a 7'1 center with good mobility and who was the leading rebounder in the Euroleague.

Well, he is injured and still expected out for several more weeks. Also, he has shown to be clearly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Robert Williams so, not sure he is even deserving of minutes

Again ,How can you say he is inferior than the other centers if he doesn't play ? First you have to give him a fair time of play( not 2 minutes of garbage time )Then you can judge if he is good or not.I can stand to see Grant Williams playing 20 minutes and grabbing 2 rebounds ,while Poirier is on sitting on the bench,Grant Williams is not a center,and anybody can see that.

I can say that because:

1. In every minute he has played in this season and preseason he has looked completely lost defensively and vastly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Williams on defense. Also, all three have shown that they have more to offer offensively than Poirier.

2. The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes. Stevens has even decided that an ultra small lineup with Grant Williams, a rookie, at center is better than what Poirier, who has the size of a more "normal" center,  can provide. So the coaching staff feels there are 4 guys ahead of Poirier in the center rotation. Unlike some, I trust this coaching staffs player evaluations and when and how to use players. I am not one to call for some end of bench player to get minutes simply because I need to see more video on a player to come to the same conclusion as the coaching staff that the player deserves to not get minutes.

3. I have seen bunches of vids of Poirier from his time in Europe and even over there he showed next to no offensive talent(other than dunking) and limited upside as a player. I can feel confident saying that once Poirier's Celtic contract is over I think he will head back to Europe because he just doesn't look or seem like an NBA talent.

Your point number 2 validates my point...2 The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes.That is exactly what I am saying and by the way you are wrong because I have seen Poirier playing 6 minutes and grabbing 5 rebounds with 3 assists and 2 blocks and a plus 10.Grant Williams will need at least 4 games to get 5 rebounds.Stevens and his staff love to have new players on the bench and we have the examples of Jaylen Brown,Robert Williams, Brad Wanamaker and even Daniel Theis.If he is such a bad player that even doesn't decerve an opportunity why they tried to bring him last year and sign him to a 2 year contract, nobody gives 2 plus millions and a 2 year contract and more important a roster spot to a lousy player.

Celts were just desperate.

Watching Poirier in preseason and in the regular season, there's just no indication that he's an NBA player.

Poirier is just an athletic 7-footer who got a lot of dunks in the Euro League.

He's not a rebounder like Kanter or a rim protector like RWill.

And he's nowhere near Theis' defensive abilities.

Fierce 1 Did I say he is better than Kanter , Theis or Williams ? But my point is that he needs a fair opportunity to show if he belongs to the team's rotation of bigs or not,If I see him playing between 15 and 20 minutes and he play as bad as you think, so let it go, cut or trade him ,but don't judge him without a real opportunity.Time will tell who is right or wrong, in February they will have to show is they  believe in him or not.You kow what I remember about a game in pre season when the Celtics were ahead by almost 50 points and Stevens did not put him until the last 2 minutes, I don't know about you but to me that's not fair.

[carlucho]

I think that Vincent Poirier needs a fair opportunity to show what can he do to help the team.We are talking about a 7'1 center with good mobility and who was the leading rebounder in the Euroleague.

Well, he is injured and still expected out for several more weeks. Also, he has shown to be clearly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Robert Williams so, not sure he is even deserving of minutes

Again ,How can you say he is inferior than the other centers if he doesn't play ? First you have to give him a fair time of play( not 2 minutes of garbage time )Then you can judge if he is good or not.I can stand to see Grant Williams playing 20 minutes and grabbing 2 rebounds ,while Poirier is on sitting on the bench,Grant Williams is not a center,and anybody can see that.

I can say that because:

1. In every minute he has played in this season and preseason he has looked completely lost defensively and vastly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Williams on defense. Also, all three have shown that they have more to offer offensively than Poirier.

2. The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes. Stevens has even decided that an ultra small lineup with Grant Williams, a rookie, at center is better than what Poirier, who has the size of a more "normal" center,  can provide. So the coaching staff feels there are 4 guys ahead of Poirier in the center rotation. Unlike some, I trust this coaching staffs player evaluations and when and how to use players. I am not one to call for some end of bench player to get minutes simply because I need to see more video on a player to come to the same conclusion as the coaching staff that the player deserves to not get minutes.

3. I have seen bunches of vids of Poirier from his time in Europe and even over there he showed next to no offensive talent(other than dunking) and limited upside as a player. I can feel confident saying that once Poirier's Celtic contract is over I think he will head back to Europe because he just doesn't look or seem like an NBA talent.

Your point number 2 validates my point...2 The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes.That is exactly what I am saying and by the way you are wrong because I have seen Poirier playing 6 minutes and grabbing 5 rebounds with 3 assists and 2 blocks and a plus 10.Grant Williams will need at least 4 games to get 5 rebounds.Stevens and his staff love to have new players on the bench and we have the examples of Jaylen Brown,Robert Williams, Brad Wanamaker and even Daniel Theis.If he is such a bad player that even doesn't decerve an opportunity why they tried to bring him last year and sign him to a 2 year contract, nobody gives 2 plus millions and a 2 year contract and more important a roster spot to a lousy player.

I don't know how the coaches deciding that Poirier isn't better than Theis, Kanter, Robert Wiliiams and Grant Williams validates your point. He doesn't get rotational minutes because the coaches, who saw him all summer, at every practice, all preseason and in season have determined he isn't good enough to get those minutes.

As I said, I do not need for the coaches to play players that haven't earned minutes because they are not good enough, simply to prove to me or the fanbase that their determination is correct. But apparently, you do. Well, that isn't happening.

You also seem fixated on rebounding. Well, the Celtics are a top ten rebounding team in both total rebounding percentage and offensive rebounding percentage. It's not like plugging in Poirier is going to propel the Celtics into a much better rebounding team.

And though Grant Williams might not be a good rebounder he still provides excellent passing, excellent defensive versatility, very good overall defense, great ball handling and what looks like, the ability to stretch the floor and hit threes. That us why he gets minutes, because as an actual basketball player, Grant Williams is the much better player.

Also, you realize that a 2 year $5 million guarantee is nothing in the NBA and $1-2 million a year contracts are very normal for players that are the 14th or 15th players in the rotation, right?

Don't put words on my mouth, I never said he is better than those players, yes I mentioned Grant Williams because he is not a center , period.My point is simple don't get to conclusions without giving him a fair opportunity , I saw fans in Boston saying that Jaylen Brown was a bust, without giving him real playing time and now are talking about how he should be an All Star, last year and during the pre season people like you were saying that Brad Wanamaker did not
 belong to the NBA and look now after a fair opportunity .

[nickagneta]

I think that Vincent Poirier needs a fair opportunity to show what can he do to help the team.We are talking about a 7'1 center with good mobility and who was the leading rebounder in the Euroleague.

Well, he is injured and still expected out for several more weeks. Also, he has shown to be clearly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Robert Williams so, not sure he is even deserving of minutes

Again ,How can you say he is inferior than the other centers if he doesn't play ? First you have to give him a fair time of play( not 2 minutes of garbage time )Then you can judge if he is good or not.I can stand to see Grant Williams playing 20 minutes and grabbing 2 rebounds ,while Poirier is on sitting on the bench,Grant Williams is not a center,and anybody can see that.

I can say that because:

1. In every minute he has played in this season and preseason he has looked completely lost defensively and vastly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Williams on defense. Also, all three have shown that they have more to offer offensively than Poirier.

2. The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes. Stevens has even decided that an ultra small lineup with Grant Williams, a rookie, at center is better than what Poirier, who has the size of a more "normal" center,  can provide. So the coaching staff feels there are 4 guys ahead of Poirier in the center rotation. Unlike some, I trust this coaching staffs player evaluations and when and how to use players. I am not one to call for some end of bench player to get minutes simply because I need to see more video on a player to come to the same conclusion as the coaching staff that the player deserves to not get minutes.

3. I have seen bunches of vids of Poirier from his time in Europe and even over there he showed next to no offensive talent(other than dunking) and limited upside as a player. I can feel confident saying that once Poirier's Celtic contract is over I think he will head back to Europe because he just doesn't look or seem like an NBA talent.

Your point number 2 validates my point...2 The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes.That is exactly what I am saying and by the way you are wrong because I have seen Poirier playing 6 minutes and grabbing 5 rebounds with 3 assists and 2 blocks and a plus 10.Grant Williams will need at least 4 games to get 5 rebounds.Stevens and his staff love to have new players on the bench and we have the examples of Jaylen Brown,Robert Williams, Brad Wanamaker and even Daniel Theis.If he is such a bad player that even doesn't decerve an opportunity why they tried to bring him last year and sign him to a 2 year contract, nobody gives 2 plus millions and a 2 year contract and more important a roster spot to a lousy player.

I don't know how the coaches deciding that Poirier isn't better than Theis, Kanter, Robert Wiliiams and Grant Williams validates your point. He doesn't get rotational minutes because the coaches, who saw him all summer, at every practice, all preseason and in season have determined he isn't good enough to get those minutes.

As I said, I do not need for the coaches to play players that haven't earned minutes because they are not good enough, simply to prove to me or the fanbase that their determination is correct. But apparently, you do. Well, that isn't happening.

You also seem fixated on rebounding. Well, the Celtics are a top ten rebounding team in both total rebounding percentage and offensive rebounding percentage. It's not like plugging in Poirier is going to propel the Celtics into a much better rebounding team.

And though Grant Williams might not be a good rebounder he still provides excellent passing, excellent defensive versatility, very good overall defense, great ball handling and what looks like, the ability to stretch the floor and hit threes. That us why he gets minutes, because as an actual basketball player, Grant Williams is the much better player.

Also, you realize that a 2 year $5 million guarantee is nothing in the NBA and $1-2 million a year contracts are very normal for players that are the 14th or 15th players in the rotation, right?

Don't put words on my mouth, I never said he is better than those players, yes I mentioned Grant Williams because he is not a center , period.My point is simple don't get to conclusions without giving him a fair opportunity , I saw fans in Boston saying that Jaylen Brown was a bust, without giving him real playing time and now are talking about how he should be an All Star, last year and during the pre season people like you were saying that Brad Wanamaker did not
 belong to the NBA and look now after a fair opportunity .

You need to read English better. I never said you said Poirier was better than Theis, Kanter or Timelord. I said the coaching staff determined that and that is why he doesn't get playing time.

I also find it hilarious you say I am putting words in your mouth when I didn't but then you do it to me:

people like you were saying that Brad Wanamaker did not
 belong to the NBA and look now after a fair opportunity .

You clearly are new here since it's pretty well known that I am a giganticly vocal Jaylen Brown fan and have commented many, many times, even last year, that Wanamaker was a good player and great third string PG.

And once again, I don't need the coaches playing undeserving players simply to prove to me they don't deserve playing time.

[RockinRyA]

I think that Vincent Poirier needs a fair opportunity to show what can he do to help the team.We are talking about a 7'1 center with good mobility and who was the leading rebounder in the Euroleague.

Well, he is injured and still expected out for several more weeks. Also, he has shown to be clearly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Robert Williams so, not sure he is even deserving of minutes

Again ,How can you say he is inferior than the other centers if he doesn't play ? First you have to give him a fair time of play( not 2 minutes of garbage time )Then you can judge if he is good or not.I can stand to see Grant Williams playing 20 minutes and grabbing 2 rebounds ,while Poirier is on sitting on the bench,Grant Williams is not a center,and anybody can see that.

I can say that because:

1. In every minute he has played in this season and preseason he has looked completely lost defensively and vastly inferior to Theis, Kanter and Williams on defense. Also, all three have shown that they have more to offer offensively than Poirier.

2. The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes. Stevens has even decided that an ultra small lineup with Grant Williams, a rookie, at center is better than what Poirier, who has the size of a more "normal" center,  can provide. So the coaching staff feels there are 4 guys ahead of Poirier in the center rotation. Unlike some, I trust this coaching staffs player evaluations and when and how to use players. I am not one to call for some end of bench player to get minutes simply because I need to see more video on a player to come to the same conclusion as the coaching staff that the player deserves to not get minutes.

3. I have seen bunches of vids of Poirier from his time in Europe and even over there he showed next to no offensive talent(other than dunking) and limited upside as a player. I can feel confident saying that once Poirier's Celtic contract is over I think he will head back to Europe because he just doesn't look or seem like an NBA talent.

Your point number 2 validates my point...2 The coaches have almost never given Poirier any meaningful rotation minutes.That is exactly what I am saying and by the way you are wrong because I have seen Poirier playing 6 minutes and grabbing 5 rebounds with 3 assists and 2 blocks and a plus 10.Grant Williams will need at least 4 games to get 5 rebounds.Stevens and his staff love to have new players on the bench and we have the examples of Jaylen Brown,Robert Williams, Brad Wanamaker and even Daniel Theis.If he is such a bad player that even doesn't decerve an opportunity why they tried to bring him last year and sign him to a 2 year contract, nobody gives 2 plus millions and a 2 year contract and more important a roster spot to a lousy player.

I don't know how the coaches deciding that Poirier isn't better than Theis, Kanter, Robert Wiliiams and Grant Williams validates your point. He doesn't get rotational minutes because the coaches, who saw him all summer, at every practice, all preseason and in season have determined he isn't good enough to get those minutes.

As I said, I do not need for the coaches to play players that haven't earned minutes because they are not good enough, simply to prove to me or the fanbase that their determination is correct. But apparently, you do. Well, that isn't happening.

You also seem fixated on rebounding. Well, the Celtics are a top ten rebounding team in both total rebounding percentage and offensive rebounding percentage. It's not like plugging in Poirier is going to propel the Celtics into a much better rebounding team.

And though Grant Williams might not be a good rebounder he still provides excellent passing, excellent defensive versatility, very good overall defense, great ball handling and what looks like, the ability to stretch the floor and hit threes. That us why he gets minutes, because as an actual basketball player, Grant Williams is the much better player.

Also, you realize that a 2 year $5 million guarantee is nothing in the NBA and $1-2 million a year contracts are very normal for players that are the 14th or 15th players in the rotation, right?

Don't put words on my mouth, I never said he is better than those players, yes I mentioned Grant Williams because he is not a center , period.My point is simple don't get to conclusions without giving him a fair opportunity , I saw fans in Boston saying that Jaylen Brown was a bust, without giving him real playing time and now are talking about how he should be an All Star, last year and during the pre season people like you were saying that Brad Wanamaker did not
 belong to the NBA and look now after a fair opportunity .

There's a huge difference between a 19 yr old rookie and a 26 yr old rookie. If you are 26 and you show nothing, chances are you are a bust. 19 yr olds have more chances to get better.

There's a reason why Theis and Wanamaker got opportunities and Poirier did not. You have to understand, the coaches and management see these guys in practice every single game. They know better than you do the level of these players. Im eilling to bet you dont even know half the plays the Celtics run, you wouldnt know if Poitier has been missing assignments or running the right plays. But these coaches do, so I trust them when they decide that Poirier isnt worth minutes 1