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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2020, 11:58:53 PM »

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KAT is one of the only players in the league that I'd trade Tatum or Brown for (or anyone on this team, for that matter). He's literally tailor-made for Brad's system, and is the perfect counter for Embiid on the offensive side for us.
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Re: Towns: Merged Threads
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2020, 04:06:02 AM »

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We're not trading for Towns. Minn will want Tatum, Brown, the Memphis pick, and every other pick we can legally give them for the next half dozen or so years.

Minn is not trading towns either  in year 1 of a 5 year contract

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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2020, 07:26:13 AM »

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Doubt he will be traded in next couple of years until he sees what Minnesota front office will put around him..I know he is great friend with Russell so they might try get him to make Towns happy
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2020, 09:07:01 AM »

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Towns/Teague

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Seems legit.

Here's another idea: Towns for a bag of chips and a cold beer. Sound fair enough? :P

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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2020, 09:15:34 AM »

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Towns is great, and unavailable.

I also think he's a good step below Anthony Davis. I wouldn't plan my team's window around trying be setup to acquire him. He's really good, but his defensive woes are real and keep him from the same elite category as Davis.

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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2020, 12:03:12 PM »

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It won’t happen because wolves don’t need to but;

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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2020, 12:30:08 PM »

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I also think he's a good step below Anthony Davis. I wouldn't plan my team's window around trying be setup to acquire him. He's really good, but his defensive woes are real and keep him from the same elite category as Davis.


I think they're similar in that they're both superstar talents who couldn't consistently carry a team to wins on their own.


Put Towns with an elite initiator and I'm sure his team would be awesome. 


He's obviously not nearly the defender Davis is though.  Not sure if that's just a focus / effort issue or something more.  Towns was expected to be a very good defensive anchor when he came into the league.
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2020, 12:37:11 PM »

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He's obviously not nearly the defender Davis is though.  Not sure if that's just a focus / effort issue or something more.  Towns was expected to be a very good defensive anchor when he came into the league.
But that's the issue, while they have similar offensive value one is an elite defensive C and the other is clearly a bad defensive C. Given how much important team defense is at the C position I don't think I would want to sell the farm for Towns.

He just doesn't show consistent effort at that end for more than a month a year.

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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2020, 01:10:18 PM »

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He's obviously not nearly the defender Davis is though.  Not sure if that's just a focus / effort issue or something more.  Towns was expected to be a very good defensive anchor when he came into the league.
But that's the issue, while they have similar offensive value one is an elite defensive C and the other is clearly a bad defensive C. Given how much important team defense is at the C position I don't think I would want to sell the farm for Towns.

He just doesn't show consistent effort at that end for more than a month a year.
How much of that is his team?  He has the best DRTG on the Wolves (tied with Covington).  Covington is the only + defender on the entire team.  I do wonder if Towns was a team that wasn't a sieve in the backcourt how his defense might actually look.  I mean Covington was a DPOY contender last year and looks fairly average this year because the team as a whole is filled with awful defenders.  Get Towns away from Wiggins and company, and I'm not so sure he doesn't become a + defender (not elite, but certainly better than average).  He has all of the physical tools and has solid steal and shot blocking numbers, which shows his instincts, timing, and soft hands.  Put Towns on a good defensive team and I think his defensive liability disappears into a cloud of dust.   
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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2020, 01:26:59 PM »

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He's obviously not nearly the defender Davis is though.  Not sure if that's just a focus / effort issue or something more.  Towns was expected to be a very good defensive anchor when he came into the league.
But that's the issue, while they have similar offensive value one is an elite defensive C and the other is clearly a bad defensive C. Given how much important team defense is at the C position I don't think I would want to sell the farm for Towns.

He just doesn't show consistent effort at that end for more than a month a year.
How much of that is his team?  He has the best DRTG on the Wolves (tied with Covington).  Covington is the only + defender on the entire team.  I do wonder if Towns was a team that wasn't a sieve in the backcourt how his defense might actually look.  I mean Covington was a DPOY contender last year and looks fairly average this year because the team as a whole is filled with awful defenders.  Get Towns away from Wiggins and company, and I'm not so sure he doesn't become a + defender (not elite, but certainly better than average).  He has all of the physical tools and has solid steal and shot blocking numbers, which shows his instincts, timing, and soft hands.  Put Towns on a good defensive team and I think his defensive liability disappears into a cloud of dust.   
^this. I don't confuse him for a great (or even good) defender, but his defence is clearly at least passable for an NBA team looking to compete. Obviously there's more to defence than what Moranis posted (individual DRTG and raw stock numbers are awful defensive metrics), but Towns passes the eye test and isn't anything really bad in play tracking statistics (RAPTOR is still kind of a meme at this point but it still gives you some valuable information).
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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2020, 01:35:10 PM »

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I also think he's a good step below Anthony Davis. I wouldn't plan my team's window around trying be setup to acquire him. He's really good, but his defensive woes are real and keep him from the same elite category as Davis.


I think they're similar in that they're both superstar talents who couldn't consistently carry a team to wins on their own.


Put Towns with an elite initiator and I'm sure his team would be awesome. 


He's obviously not nearly the defender Davis is though.  Not sure if that's just a focus / effort issue or something more.  Towns was expected to be a very good defensive anchor when he came into the league.
What's your definition of carrying a team to wins "on their own"? If you're talking about quarterbacking an offence to wins Towns can absolutely do that, his offence is incredible for a big man (he's a full level above his contemporaries on offence imo due to his explosive offensive arsenal and unrivalled versatility). Surround him with multiple perimeter pieces that scale well next to a big man centrepiece like Covington/Smart instead of guys like Wiggins and Teague next to him and you'll get an near elite offence that can win a bunch of games with Towns doing the heavylifting you expect from that "carry job" guy.
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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2020, 01:45:43 PM »

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He's obviously not nearly the defender Davis is though.  Not sure if that's just a focus / effort issue or something more.  Towns was expected to be a very good defensive anchor when he came into the league.
But that's the issue, while they have similar offensive value one is an elite defensive C and the other is clearly a bad defensive C. Given how much important team defense is at the C position I don't think I would want to sell the farm for Towns.

He just doesn't show consistent effort at that end for more than a month a year.
How much of that is his team?  He has the best DRTG on the Wolves (tied with Covington).  Covington is the only + defender on the entire team.  I do wonder if Towns was a team that wasn't a sieve in the backcourt how his defense might actually look.  I mean Covington was a DPOY contender last year and looks fairly average this year because the team as a whole is filled with awful defenders.  Get Towns away from Wiggins and company, and I'm not so sure he doesn't become a + defender (not elite, but certainly better than average).  He has all of the physical tools and has solid steal and shot blocking numbers, which shows his instincts, timing, and soft hands.  Put Towns on a good defensive team and I think his defensive liability disappears into a cloud of dust.   
^this. I don't confuse him for a great (or even good) defender, but his defence is clearly at least passable for an NBA team looking to compete. Obviously there's more to defence than what Moranis posted (individual DRTG and raw stock numbers are awful defensive metrics), but Towns passes the eye test and isn't anything really bad in play tracking statistics (RAPTOR is still kind of a meme at this point but it still gives you some valuable information).
I dunno about your eye test, but Towns is in general rather lazy, in the wrong position, and just plan slow on defense. That's what I see when I watch the Wolves.

The numbers back it up over the course of his career he's been a negative defensive impact player, despite his excellent physical tools.

He's good enough on offense to compete with him on your team, but having a C who doesn't player adequate team defense is a huge problem to overcome in the playoffs when you're facing the best teams who have great players to attack him.

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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2020, 01:52:23 PM »

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This is a pretty bad year to blame his teammates for his poor play on D.

Wolves are 16th on defense this year. And when they have a C who isn't Towns on the court they've defended pretty well. Most of their hay on that end has been made since he's been out with injury. (which is certainly somewhat schedule/luck dependent as all streaks and small samples are)

He's just a bad defender his entire career so far. He'll try really hard for a month or so each season, it never lasts.

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« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2020, 02:29:01 PM »

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This is a pretty bad year to blame his teammates for his poor play on D.

Wolves are 16th on defense this year. And when they have a C who isn't Towns on the court they've defended pretty well. Most of their hay on that end has been made since he's been out with injury. (which is certainly somewhat schedule/luck dependent as all streaks and small samples are)

He's just a bad defender his entire career so far. He'll try really hard for a month or so each season, it never lasts.



Yeah, it's wierd -- he's basically a more explosive Enes Kanter.  At least with Kanter it feels like part of his haplessness on the defensive end is due to his own physical limitations.
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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2020, 02:45:44 PM »

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great player, but really questionable attitude. Does not seem like a fun guy to play with. Body language is terrible.

Not saying I wouldn't be interested, but this isn't an Anthony Davis situation. He has some real question marks.