If the Celts are going to make a blockbuster...

[Somebody]

KAT or bust imo.

[LilRip]

It’s really hard to imagine C’s giving up Smart. He just brings so much intangibles and does a lot of the dirty work that our stars don’t necessarily do.

Skills wise, he’s easily our 5th best player and thus, seemingly the most expendable among our core. Idk why I can’t help but feel though that losing Hayward would be less of a blow to the team? Even if he’s probably our 2nd best player

[Celtics4ever]

I think we make no trade or a minor one.  I don't think CBS or Ainge feel the needs of the fans here on Celticsblog to make a trade, our team is winning, exceeding expectations.    We have not had our whole team together for most of the year.   They will wait and see how Gordon does when he comes back.   The only way I think we make one is if he comes back and we regress.

Writers and reporters always speculate on such matters but it does not make them true.  They have to generate clicks.

[Who]

I'm not sure Drummond is as good as Marcus Smart is. And then giving up other assets on top of that? Langford & another draft pick? two big body bench centers in Poirier and Kanter? That trade is heavily in Detroit's favour.

Drummond puts up big numbers but his stats overstate his impact on the court. His defense is more solid than great. His offense is limited by his lack of range and limited post game. His rebounding is genuinely spectacular but both his offense & defense is middle of the pack amongst centers.

It is a genuine question to my mind whether Drummond or Smart is the better basketball player. Throwing a bunch of other assets on top of that is a deal breaker for me.

[iadera]

Exactly!! KAT or bust!

[Jvalin]

KAT or bust imo.

Exactly!! KAT or bust!

Bust it is, then!


I don't like the trade either. Drummond reminds me a little bit of Howard. He isn't a talented offensive player, yet he demands the ball in the paint. I wouldn't want him taking shots away from our big 4 (Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward).

Imo, we need a defensive big man who can play off the ball on offense. Ideally, a guy like Myles Turner who can stretch the floor. I wouldn't be against going after a pick n roll specialist either. Kemba is a good passer at the pick n roll. I would love us to have a guy like Jarrett Allen setting screens for Kemba on the perimeter.

If they switch/blitz --> Allen rolls to the basket.
If they go under --> Kemba shoots the 3

Basically a guy like Theis, but better than Theis.

Still, Turner would be my #1 priority, cause he can do everything that Theis does plus he's a good shooter from the perimeter. Having said that, he's a worse rebounder than Theis.

[Somebody]

KAT or bust imo.

Exactly!! KAT or bust!

Bust it is, then!


I don't like the trade either. Drummond reminds me a little bit of Howard. He isn't a talented offensive player, yet he demands the ball in the paint. I wouldn't want him taking shots away from our big 4 (Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward).

Imo, we need a defensive big man who can play off the ball on offense. Ideally, a guy like Myles Turner who can stretch the floor. I wouldn't be against going after a pick n roll specialist either. Kemba is a good passer at the pick n roll. I would love us to have a guy like Jarrett Allen setting screens for Kemba on the perimeter.

If they switch/blitz --> Allen rolls to the basket.
If they go under --> Kemba shoots the 3

Basically a guy like Theis, but better than Theis.

Still, Turner would be my #1 priority, cause he can do everything that Theis does plus he's a good shooter from the perimeter. Having said that, he's a worse rebounder than Theis.

They're similar in that sense, but Howard's defence is in another universe compared to Drummond's.

Agreed with the type of big man we need, but I don't see Turner moving the needle for us. He's an upgrade on Theis, but he still can't defend Embiid and Giannis, which is what we really need from our centres right now. If I were Danny I'd go for KAT hard at the deadline with Tatum as the centrepiece, he's really the big man we need. He'd give any team transcendent offence and improved defence that gives us enough cover against the leviathans of the league

[mr. dee]

Any big trade that will be made today screams a panic move. You don't move your core pieces for just one that may not even fit within the team concept. And even if they did, I don't think he's a significant upgrade to the ones you've sent. Bigs nowadays doesn't really impact the game like wings do. KAT, for all his stats are struggling to get playoff spots. Sixers seems better without Embiid too. Jokic doesn't really seems like a legitimate threat against the Lakers or even the Clippers. AD only works well so far because Lebron is helping him carry the Lakers.

Look at the standings today. Most teams on the top have all-star 2 way level wings/swings.

Celtics - Tatum, Brown, Hayward
Bucks - Giannis
Heat - Buttler
Rockets - Harden
Lakers - Lebron
Clippers - Kawhi, PG
Raptors - Siakam
Mavs - Doncic

On the other hand, most teams with a big as their franchise player (with the exemption of Nuggets) are either lower seeded teams or just in the lottery.


Drummond - lottery
KAT - 7th seed
Vucevic - 8th seed
Aldridge - lottery
Love - Lottery
Markenen - Lottery

[Fierce1]

KAT or bust imo.

Exactly!! KAT or bust!

Bust it is, then!


I don't like the trade either. Drummond reminds me a little bit of Howard. He isn't a talented offensive player, yet he demands the ball in the paint. I wouldn't want him taking shots away from our big 4 (Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward).

Imo, we need a defensive big man who can play off the ball on offense. Ideally, a guy like Myles Turner who can stretch the floor. I wouldn't be against going after a pick n roll specialist either. Kemba is a good passer at the pick n roll. I would love us to have a guy like Jarrett Allen setting screens for Kemba on the perimeter.

If they switch/blitz --> Allen rolls to the basket.
If they go under --> Kemba shoots the 3

Basically a guy like Theis, but better than Theis.

Still, Turner would be my #1 priority, cause he can do everything that Theis does plus he's a good shooter from the perimeter. Having said that, he's a worse rebounder than Theis.

Pacers would be asking for Smart or Hayward if you want Turner.

Are you willing to trade Smart or Hayward for Turner?

[Fierce1]

KAT or bust imo.

Exactly!! KAT or bust!

Bust it is, then!


I don't like the trade either. Drummond reminds me a little bit of Howard. He isn't a talented offensive player, yet he demands the ball in the paint. I wouldn't want him taking shots away from our big 4 (Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward).

Imo, we need a defensive big man who can play off the ball on offense. Ideally, a guy like Myles Turner who can stretch the floor. I wouldn't be against going after a pick n roll specialist either. Kemba is a good passer at the pick n roll. I would love us to have a guy like Jarrett Allen setting screens for Kemba on the perimeter.

If they switch/blitz --> Allen rolls to the basket.
If they go under --> Kemba shoots the 3

Basically a guy like Theis, but better than Theis.

Still, Turner would be my #1 priority, cause he can do everything that Theis does plus he's a good shooter from the perimeter. Having said that, he's a worse rebounder than Theis.

They're similar in that sense, but Howard's defence is in another universe compared to Drummond's.

Agreed with the type of big man we need, but I don't see Turner moving the needle for us. He's an upgrade on Theis, but he still can't defend Embiid and Giannis, which is what we really need from our centres right now. If I were Danny I'd go for KAT hard at the deadline with Tatum as the centrepiece, he's really the big man we need. He'd give any team transcendent offence and improved defence that gives us enough cover against the leviathans of the league

Tatum for KAT is a trade that only favors the Celtics.

It's easier to get great wing players than bigs like KAT.

Every year there's always a wing player with star potential entering the draft.

A transcendent player like KAT only enters the draft once every few years.

[jambr380]

KAT or bust imo.

Exactly!! KAT or bust!

Bust it is, then!


I don't like the trade either. Drummond reminds me a little bit of Howard. He isn't a talented offensive player, yet he demands the ball in the paint. I wouldn't want him taking shots away from our big 4 (Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward).

Imo, we need a defensive big man who can play off the ball on offense. Ideally, a guy like Myles Turner who can stretch the floor. I wouldn't be against going after a pick n roll specialist either. Kemba is a good passer at the pick n roll. I would love us to have a guy like Jarrett Allen setting screens for Kemba on the perimeter.

If they switch/blitz --> Allen rolls to the basket.
If they go under --> Kemba shoots the 3

Basically a guy like Theis, but better than Theis.

Still, Turner would be my #1 priority, cause he can do everything that Theis does plus he's a good shooter from the perimeter. Having said that, he's a worse rebounder than Theis.

Pacers would be asking for Smart or Hayward if you want Turner.

Are you willing to trade Smart or Hayward for Turner?

If I'm making a deal today, I would easily choose Turner over Drummond in a Smart deal. He fits much better in to the offense and defense the Cs run.

[Somebody]

KAT or bust imo.

Exactly!! KAT or bust!

Bust it is, then!


I don't like the trade either. Drummond reminds me a little bit of Howard. He isn't a talented offensive player, yet he demands the ball in the paint. I wouldn't want him taking shots away from our big 4 (Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Hayward).

Imo, we need a defensive big man who can play off the ball on offense. Ideally, a guy like Myles Turner who can stretch the floor. I wouldn't be against going after a pick n roll specialist either. Kemba is a good passer at the pick n roll. I would love us to have a guy like Jarrett Allen setting screens for Kemba on the perimeter.

If they switch/blitz --> Allen rolls to the basket.
If they go under --> Kemba shoots the 3

Basically a guy like Theis, but better than Theis.

Still, Turner would be my #1 priority, cause he can do everything that Theis does plus he's a good shooter from the perimeter. Having said that, he's a worse rebounder than Theis.

They're similar in that sense, but Howard's defence is in another universe compared to Drummond's.

Agreed with the type of big man we need, but I don't see Turner moving the needle for us. He's an upgrade on Theis, but he still can't defend Embiid and Giannis, which is what we really need from our centres right now. If I were Danny I'd go for KAT hard at the deadline with Tatum as the centrepiece, he's really the big man we need. He'd give any team transcendent offence and improved defence that gives us enough cover against the leviathans of the league

Tatum for KAT is a trade that only favors the Celtics.

It's easier to get great wing players than bigs like KAT.

Every year there's always a wing player with star potential entering the draft.

A transcendent player like KAT only enters the draft once every few years.

I didn't say what would be added to Tatum in a package for KAT. The Celtics can certainly make it interesting by adding multiple picks and prospects to the deal alongside Tatum imo.

[Jvalin]

If I'm making a deal today, I would easily choose Turner over Drummond in a Smart deal. He fits much better in to the offense and defense the Cs run.

Yep. We can't have 5 alphas in the starting lineup. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we 'll end up a dysfunctional team, like we were last season.

Pacers would be asking for Smart or Hayward if you want Turner.

Are you willing to trade Smart or Hayward for Turner?

Yes, I am. You have to lose something in order to gain something else. That's how trades work. It would suck to lose Smart/Hayward, but it would be great to add Turner.

I've posted this idea a couple of times before: Smart + Langford for Myles Turner. Who says no?

Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Hayward - Turner

At the end of the day, this would be a much more balanced lineup than the one that we have right now.

If I were Danny I'd go for KAT hard at the deadline with Tatum as the centrepiece

Good luck convincing the Wolves to trade him. You would have my moral support.

[gouki88]

If I'm making a deal today, I would easily choose Turner over Drummond in a Smart deal. He fits much better in to the offense and defense the Cs run.

Yep. We can't have 5 alphas in the starting lineup. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we 'll end up a dysfunctional team, like we were last season.

Pacers would be asking for Smart or Hayward if you want Turner.

Are you willing to trade Smart or Hayward for Turner?

Yes, I am. You have to lose something in order to gain something else. That's how trades work. It would suck to lose Smart/Hayward, but it would be great to add Turner.

I've posted this idea a couple of times before: Smart + Langford for Myles Turner. Who says no?

Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Hayward - Turner

At the end of the day, this would be a much more balanced lineup than the one that we have right now.

If I were Danny I'd go for KAT hard at the deadline with Tatum as the centrepiece

Good luck convincing the Wolves to trade him. You would have my moral support.

No interest in Turner really. Averages 1 less rebound than Theis, despite playing 10 more minutes. He's also not a very good passer. I get that he can shoot and he's a really good defender, but he's absolutely not worth giving up Smart and a lotto pick for

[Somebody]

If I'm making a deal today, I would easily choose Turner over Drummond in a Smart deal. He fits much better in to the offense and defense the Cs run.

Yep. We can't have 5 alphas in the starting lineup. There won't be enough shots for everybody and we 'll end up a dysfunctional team, like we were last season.

Pacers would be asking for Smart or Hayward if you want Turner.

Are you willing to trade Smart or Hayward for Turner?

Yes, I am. You have to lose something in order to gain something else. That's how trades work. It would suck to lose Smart/Hayward, but it would be great to add Turner.

I've posted this idea a couple of times before: Smart + Langford for Myles Turner. Who says no?

Kemba - Brown - Tatum - Hayward - Turner

At the end of the day, this would be a much more balanced lineup than the one that we have right now.

If I were Danny I'd go for KAT hard at the deadline with Tatum as the centrepiece

Good luck convincing the Wolves to trade him. You would have my moral support.

It's the Wolves, you never know what they'll do