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Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2019, 02:08:07 PM »

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People forget that NOP owns the Lakers draft stock for the next, what, 5-6-7 years?
protected #8-30 2021 (so only top 7 transfers) or unprotected in 2022, pick swap option in 2023, and then a 2024 or 2025 pick with NO selecting the year.

So only 2 picks owed outright with a swap option.

I would be pretty excited if we owned the pics for the lakers in the seasons Lebron will be like 37 and 38

Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2019, 02:43:46 PM »

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People forget that NOP owns the Lakers draft stock for the next, what, 5-6-7 years?
protected #8-30 2021 (so only top 7 transfers) or unprotected in 2022, pick swap option in 2023, and then a 2024 or 2025 pick with NO selecting the year.

So only 2 picks owed outright with a swap option.

I would be pretty excited if we owned the pics for the lakers in the seasons Lebron will be like 37 and 38
And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world.  I'd be very surprised if any of those picks were lottery picks (this isn't a Nets scenario where everyone on the team is old). 
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Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2019, 03:01:13 PM »

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People forget that NOP owns the Lakers draft stock for the next, what, 5-6-7 years?
protected #8-30 2021 (so only top 7 transfers) or unprotected in 2022, pick swap option in 2023, and then a 2024 or 2025 pick with NO selecting the year.

So only 2 picks owed outright with a swap option.

I would be pretty excited if we owned the pics for the lakers in the seasons Lebron will be like 37 and 38
And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world.  I'd be very surprised if any of those picks were lottery picks (this isn't a Nets scenario where everyone on the team is old).
Davis, by himself, was rarely able to lift NOP out of the lottery.
When LBJ is 38, and the team is still gutted from the Davis trade, I’m not confident Davis will have LA in the mix for the championship.
NOP has the best collection of picks since Danny grifted the Nets.

Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2019, 03:02:43 PM »

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Thunder might have a better future stash, though so much depends on what happens to the Rockets/LAC in the time before they start coming due.

They have so many chances its likely some of them are juicy picks.

Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2019, 03:11:55 PM »

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I'd say its pretty hard  to say no when you are 17-2 and have a healthy Lebron and AD on your team with a "getting" healthy DC in the works.   
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Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2019, 03:15:01 PM »

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I'd say its pretty hard  to say no when you are 17-2 and have a healthy Lebron and AD on your team with a "getting" healthy DC in the works.

17-3 now baby!

For real this is a rough December for them after a really easy November, where they struggled against several inferior opponents but pulled games out in the 4th or crunch time. Winning the games is what you want to do, and we've done the same dance a few times including yesterday, but this month will tell us a lot more about where the Lakers are at vs quality competition.

Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2019, 03:41:31 PM »

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People forget that NOP owns the Lakers draft stock for the next, what, 5-6-7 years?
protected #8-30 2021 (so only top 7 transfers) or unprotected in 2022, pick swap option in 2023, and then a 2024 or 2025 pick with NO selecting the year.

So only 2 picks owed outright with a swap option.

I would be pretty excited if we owned the pics for the lakers in the seasons Lebron will be like 37 and 38
And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world.  I'd be very surprised if any of those picks were lottery picks (this isn't a Nets scenario where everyone on the team is old).
Davis, by himself, was rarely able to lift NOP out of the lottery.
When LBJ is 38, and the team is still gutted from the Davis trade, I’m not confident Davis will have LA in the mix for the championship.
NOP has the best collection of picks since Danny grifted the Nets.

Yea a lot of the guys playing minutes for lakers are on back end of career. Howard, Bradley, green, rondo. I think we have seen enough to know Davis and scrubs doesn’t equal contender. Would definitely be excited about those picks and could very well turn into a nets situation

Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2019, 05:50:22 PM »

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The difference between the Lakers and the Celtics is the Celtics can still upgrade the team, the Lakers can't!

Lakers simply have no more draft picks to offer because of the AD trade with the Pels.

Celts might look like a different team after the trade deadline.
C's are better stocked for the long haul but there won't be much action for the C's at the deadline.  only contracts of value to land a major player all belong to their 5 core players who are the ones that have gotten the C's into a finals appearance discussion

Celts can go after a player worth 18m.
But Langford has to be included in the package.

Theis, Kanter, Langford, and Poirier will total around 15.7m.

Those players aint gonna get anything back without including the Memphis pick since Langford at this point is a bust and Theis and Kanter are both bench players.

It doesn't have to be the Memphis pick.

As long as there's a pick involved, a team will bite.
When has danny traded a pick for a player excluding the IT trade and slam dunk trades like the KG trade? Danny loves those late first rounders for some reason
What's missing here is common sense.

think about what the rebuttal is to my comments "C's are better stocked for the long haul but there won't be much action for the C's at the deadline.  only contracts of value to land a major player all belong to their 5 core players who are the ones that have gotten the C's into a finals appearance discussion" so far --> the argument that we can combine a bunch of role players plus possibly Romeo (who someone is already calling a bust which I disagree with) and the Memphis pick (which I wouldn't ship out unless we have a legit high-quality starter coming back under contract for at least 2 years following the current one). 
-->the likelihood that Danny and another team in this league is going to move 4 players off our active 15 man roster, including 3 of our centers leaving only Timelord as the one remaining center who still hasn't figured out how to play team D nor provide much offense outside of an occasional dunk off a lob, is just non-existent.  Who's this trading partner that's going to uproot their team?  Who are the other players that would be coming back with this supposed superstar?  you realize that although those salaries would match to someone making over $18 mill a season in the offseason when you have time to adjust your roster with filler.  The deal automatically makes the C's short on the minimum number of players.  I don't know if that's even allowed or if there's a grace period for filling with vet min players (who won't be nearly as useful as the players you're shipping out) or converting 2-way contracts which is horrible because Tacko's clearly not ready to play and we lose time on how much contractual control we'd have over Tacko and Waters.

not thought out at all.

I didn't say the Celts will move 3 Centers and 4 of the players on the 15-man roster.

What I said was it's possible the Celts can go after a player worth 18m.

The point is the Celts have enough assets to make a move.

Right now players worth more than 20m are out of reach because the Celts don't want to include any of their top 5 players.

So the max is 18m.

But it doesn't have to be an 18m player.
Celts can go after a player worth 13m.
If it's 13m, the Celts only need to give up Theis, Poirier, and Langford.

Again, the point is the Celts can make a move if they really want to.

Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2019, 05:52:40 PM »

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People forget that NOP owns the Lakers draft stock for the next, what, 5-6-7 years?
protected #8-30 2021 (so only top 7 transfers) or unprotected in 2022, pick swap option in 2023, and then a 2024 or 2025 pick with NO selecting the year.

So only 2 picks owed outright with a swap option.

I would be pretty excited if we owned the pics for the lakers in the seasons Lebron will be like 37 and 38
And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world.  I'd be very surprised if any of those picks were lottery picks (this isn't a Nets scenario where everyone on the team is old).
Davis, by himself, was rarely able to lift NOP out of the lottery.
When LBJ is 38, and the team is still gutted from the Davis trade, I’m not confident Davis will have LA in the mix for the championship.
NOP has the best collection of picks since Danny grifted the Nets.
LBJ is only under contract for 2 more seasons after this season.  The final season is his year 36 season and a player option.  So he may not even be playing when he's 38.  The Lakers will have cap space in 2022 to get a 2nd star to go with Davis. 

The OKC collection of picks is better than NOP.  If I counted correctly 8 likely additional 1sts from Denver, Miami, LAC and Houston plus 2 pick swaps. 

Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2019, 06:07:03 PM »

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And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world. 


Davis is not nearly the best player in the world right now, and I would be surprised if he is in that conversation 3 years from now.

I'm not sure any player could really be in that discussion in today's league unless they have the ability to handle the ball at the point of attack and create a high volume of three pointers, either by driving the ball and kicking to open teammates or pulling up from deep.  I don't think Davis is that kind of player.
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Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2019, 06:34:31 PM »

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People forget that NOP owns the Lakers draft stock for the next, what, 5-6-7 years?
protected #8-30 2021 (so only top 7 transfers) or unprotected in 2022, pick swap option in 2023, and then a 2024 or 2025 pick with NO selecting the year.

So only 2 picks owed outright with a swap option.

I would be pretty excited if we owned the pics for the lakers in the seasons Lebron will be like 37 and 38
And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world.  I'd be very surprised if any of those picks were lottery picks (this isn't a Nets scenario where everyone on the team is old).
Davis, by himself, was rarely able to lift NOP out of the lottery.
When LBJ is 38, and the team is still gutted from the Davis trade, I’m not confident Davis will have LA in the mix for the championship.
NOP has the best collection of picks since Danny grifted the Nets.
LBJ is only under contract for 2 more seasons after this season.  The final season is his year 36 season and a player option.  So he may not even be playing when he's 38.  The Lakers will have cap space in 2022 to get a 2nd star to go with Davis. 

The OKC collection of picks is better than NOP.  If I counted correctly 8 likely additional 1sts from Denver, Miami, LAC and Houston plus 2 pick swaps.

Oh I agree that the okc collection is way better, just saying that those lakers picks could end up being very good. We just went through a half decade of lakers being in lottery basically (Randle, ball, Ingram, russel come to mind). Not  a given they are not horrible one of these years.

Re: Lakers are 17-2, did their front office outmanuever the Celtics?
« Reply #71 on: December 02, 2019, 06:35:44 PM »

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And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world. 


Davis is not nearly the best player in the world right now, and I would be surprised if he is in that conversation 3 years from now.

I'm not sure any player could really be in that discussion in today's league unless they have the ability to handle the ball at the point of attack and create a high volume of three pointers, either by driving the ball and kicking to open teammates or pulling up from deep.  I don't think Davis is that kind of player.

Also why would Davis suddenly leapfrog Giannis as he gets older?

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« Reply #72 on: December 02, 2019, 06:40:54 PM »

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I'd say its pretty hard  to say no when you are 17-2 and have a healthy Lebron and AD on your team with a "getting" healthy DC in the works.

17-3 now baby!

For real this is a rough December for them after a really easy November, where they struggled against several inferior opponents but pulled games out in the 4th or crunch time. Winning the games is what you want to do, and we've done the same dance a few times including yesterday, but this month will tell us a lot more about where the Lakers are at vs quality competition.

We need the OP to keep these posts coming. Hopefully we can get the Lakers to go below 500 the rest of the way.

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« Reply #73 on: December 02, 2019, 07:22:18 PM »

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And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world. 


Davis is not nearly the best player in the world right now, and I would be surprised if he is in that conversation 3 years from now.

I'm not sure any player could really be in that discussion in today's league unless they have the ability to handle the ball at the point of attack and create a high volume of three pointers, either by driving the ball and kicking to open teammates or pulling up from deep.  I don't think Davis is that kind of player.

Also why would Davis suddenly leapfrog Giannis as he gets older?
Let alone Luka, who is basically putting up an efficient 30/10/10 at 20
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« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2019, 12:05:02 PM »

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People forget that NOP owns the Lakers draft stock for the next, what, 5-6-7 years?
protected #8-30 2021 (so only top 7 transfers) or unprotected in 2022, pick swap option in 2023, and then a 2024 or 2025 pick with NO selecting the year.

So only 2 picks owed outright with a swap option.

I would be pretty excited if we owned the pics for the lakers in the seasons Lebron will be like 37 and 38
And Davis will be like 30 and may very well be the best player in the world.  I'd be very surprised if any of those picks were lottery picks (this isn't a Nets scenario where everyone on the team is old).
Davis, by himself, was rarely able to lift NOP out of the lottery.
When LBJ is 38, and the team is still gutted from the Davis trade, I’m not confident Davis will have LA in the mix for the championship.
NOP has the best collection of picks since Danny grifted the Nets.
The Lakers won't be gutted from the Davis trade in 3 or 4 seasons.  that is a long time for them to re-stock the coffers.  They also will also likely have Kuzma who will may just be entering his prime in year 6 or 7.  And who knows what Lebron will be doing.  4 years from now he might very well be signing as a free agent on whatever team drafts his son, but the Lakers will almost certainly have some other star playing next to Davis whether Lebron is there or not.  They have a lot of cap flexibility once Lebron's contract is off the books (maybe they re-sign him maybe they don't, but it won't be for a max at that point).

I will say again, I'd be very surprised if any of those picks are lottery picks. 
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