Celtics (13-4) at Nets (9-9) Game #18 11/29/19

[mrceltics2013]

Brown just wasn’t getting the ball for whatever reason. I really can’t put my finger on why he was iced out, but it was also infuriating.

[seancally]

Annnnnnnnd I’m about ready for Hayward to come back.

[OldSchoolDude]

Danny needs to make some trades. We have decent top 5 players but everything else is garbage. Just package some or most  of the smaller contracts plus some of the picks and bring good players ... is it that difficult .. if he doesn’t make any trades we are looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year.

Easier said than done.   If we’re not trading Kemba, Tatum, Smart, Brown, or Hayward, then what are we really offering?  What we need to do is to play Robert Williams more.  Sure he is making mistakes but we need him to work that out in games.   We need Kanter to teach him how to work in the low post and Theis to help him work on positioning.  Kanter is too slow to be effective against athletic centers and Theis is too weak to be effective against strong centers.  Against strong athletic centers like Allan and Jordan today, a guy like Theis is useless.  Williams has the strength and athleticism to be everything we need.  Scal talked about how Kanter was giving up lob dunks today vs Brookly because of how he plays off his man but Williams wasn’t giving them up.  Kanter has to play off his man in space because he can’t move fast enough latterly to stay on his man if he makes a quick move, but williams can. Williams can also switch effectively because of his quickness.  I really don’t know if Kanter is really any better than williams on the court.  I get that Kanter has nice post moves, but think williams could score in the post just by turning and dunking over people even from a few feet out he has so much bounce.  As for the draft, and looking at  looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year, I think you’re way off the mark there, https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/, has Memphis sitting at 8 which would convey the pick.  Vernon Carey is sitting at 6 which maybe with in the realm of realistic trade up possibilities.  We have our own on Milwalkies pick to move.  Maybe those with one of Edwards or Waters can move up from the 7-9 range to the 5-6 range and a legit shot at Vernon Carey.  Also, currently sitting at 12 is N'Faly Dante who has drawn comparison to Al Horford and would be another solid choice for a big.  Dante is legitimately within the Memphis pick range so no wishing on a start needed there.

Vernon Carey Jr. was UNSTOPPABLE tonight! Duke vs Cal Highlights!
31 points 12 rebs and 4 blocks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0xtWpxwgKM

Class of 2020 Center N'Faly Dante Summer Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0joRRKkPc

[OldSchoolDude]

Brown just wasn’t getting the ball for whatever reason. I really can’t put my finger on why he was iced out, but it was also infuriating.

Brown plays better from the 2 (despite the claims that there are only ball handlers, wings, and bigs) and he was playing the 3 today.   I think that affects his positioning on the floor.  He also had some bad luck.  The dunk that became a jump ball, the up and under that went from a basket and 1 to a turnover for a walk, and his other two turnovers I believe were also on dives to the basket.  I do agree that he needed to touch the ball more but so did Tatum, at least down the stretch.  I think that we may be playing too unselfish. 

[NKY fan]

Danny needs to make some trades. We have decent top 5 players but everything else is garbage. Just package some or most  of the smaller contracts plus some of the picks and bring good players ... is it that difficult .. if he doesn’t make any trades we are looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year.

Easier said than done.   If we’re not trading Kemba, Tatum, Smart, Brown, or Hayward, then what are we really offering?  What we need to do is to play Robert Williams more.  Sure he is making mistakes but we need him to work that out in games.   We need Kanter to teach him how to work in the low post and Theis to help him work on positioning.  Kanter is too slow to be effective against athletic centers and Theis is too weak to be effective against strong centers.  Against strong athletic centers like Allan and Jordan today, a guy like Theis is useless.  Williams has the strength and athleticism to be everything we need.  Scal talked about how Kanter was giving up lob dunks today vs Brookly because of how he plays off his man but Williams wasn’t giving them up.  Kanter has to play off his man in space because he can’t move fast enough latterly to stay on his man if he makes a quick move, but williams can. Williams can also switch effectively because of his quickness.  I really don’t know if Kanter is really any better than williams on the court.  I get that Kanter has nice post moves, but think williams could score in the post just by turning and dunking over people even from a few feet out he has so much bounce.  As for the draft, and looking at  looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year, I think you’re way off the mark there, https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/, has Memphis sitting at 8 which would convey the pick.  Vernon Carey is sitting at 6 which maybe with in the realm of realistic trade up possibilities.  We have our own on Milwalkies pick to move.  Maybe those with one of Edwards or Waters can move up from the 7-9 range to the 5-6 range and a legit shot at Vernon Carey.  Also, currently sitting at 12 is N'Faly Dante who has drawn comparison to Al Horford and would be another solid choice for a big.  Dante is legitimately within the Memphis pick range so no wishing on a start needed there.

Vernon Carey Jr. was UNSTOPPABLE tonight! Duke vs Cal Highlights!
31 points 12 rebs and 4 blocks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0xtWpxwgKM

Class of 2020 Center N'Faly Dante Summer Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0joRRKkPc

I don’t disagree with you have stated. Nice post actually. I don’t argue that there are nice prospects in the draft the problem is who makes the picks. Also Kanter + Theis + Langford make more than $13M combined that should be good for matching some good players salaries

[Celtics4ever]

Grant Williams lack of size killed us in the fourth.   He did not rebound well and can't guard a Jarret  Allen type.   

Lack of Effort across the board today.   We played cute and at the end what we gave in the fourth was not enough.

We had 19 TO's and we are not the kind of team that can give those up and win.

[Wretch]

Danny needs to make some trades. We have decent top 5 players but everything else is garbage. Just package some or most  of the smaller contracts plus some of the picks and bring good players ... is it that difficult .. if he doesn’t make any trades we are looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year.

Easier said than done.   If we’re not trading Kemba, Tatum, Smart, Brown, or Hayward, then what are we really offering?  What we need to do is to play Robert Williams more.  Sure he is making mistakes but we need him to work that out in games.   We need Kanter to teach him how to work in the low post and Theis to help him work on positioning.  Kanter is too slow to be effective against athletic centers and Theis is too weak to be effective against strong centers.  Against strong athletic centers like Allan and Jordan today, a guy like Theis is useless.  Williams has the strength and athleticism to be everything we need.  Scal talked about how Kanter was giving up lob dunks today vs Brookly because of how he plays off his man but Williams wasn’t giving them up.  Kanter has to play off his man in space because he can’t move fast enough latterly to stay on his man if he makes a quick move, but williams can. Williams can also switch effectively because of his quickness.  I really don’t know if Kanter is really any better than williams on the court.  I get that Kanter has nice post moves, but think williams could score in the post just by turning and dunking over people even from a few feet out he has so much bounce.  As for the draft, and looking at  looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year, I think you’re way off the mark there, https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/, has Memphis sitting at 8 which would convey the pick.  Vernon Carey is sitting at 6 which maybe with in the realm of realistic trade up possibilities.  We have our own on Milwalkies pick to move.  Maybe those with one of Edwards or Waters can move up from the 7-9 range to the 5-6 range and a legit shot at Vernon Carey.  Also, currently sitting at 12 is N'Faly Dante who has drawn comparison to Al Horford and would be another solid choice for a big.  Dante is legitimately within the Memphis pick range so no wishing on a start needed there.

Vernon Carey Jr. was UNSTOPPABLE tonight! Duke vs Cal Highlights!
31 points 12 rebs and 4 blocks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0xtWpxwgKM

Class of 2020 Center N'Faly Dante Summer Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0joRRKkPc

I don’t disagree with you have stated. Nice post actually. I don’t argue that there are nice prospects in the draft the problem is who makes the picks. Also Kanter + Theis + Langford make more than $13M combined that should be good for matching some good players salaries

that much salary gets you Larry Nance Jr. or Mason Plumlee, not exactly  moving the needle.

[Ogaju]

Cant get over Spencer Dinwiddie.... is he that good?

[NKY fan]

Danny needs to make some trades. We have decent top 5 players but everything else is garbage. Just package some or most  of the smaller contracts plus some of the picks and bring good players ... is it that difficult .. if he doesn’t make any trades we are looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year.

Easier said than done.   If we’re not trading Kemba, Tatum, Smart, Brown, or Hayward, then what are we really offering?  What we need to do is to play Robert Williams more.  Sure he is making mistakes but we need him to work that out in games.   We need Kanter to teach him how to work in the low post and Theis to help him work on positioning.  Kanter is too slow to be effective against athletic centers and Theis is too weak to be effective against strong centers.  Against strong athletic centers like Allan and Jordan today, a guy like Theis is useless.  Williams has the strength and athleticism to be everything we need.  Scal talked about how Kanter was giving up lob dunks today vs Brookly because of how he plays off his man but Williams wasn’t giving them up.  Kanter has to play off his man in space because he can’t move fast enough latterly to stay on his man if he makes a quick move, but williams can. Williams can also switch effectively because of his quickness.  I really don’t know if Kanter is really any better than williams on the court.  I get that Kanter has nice post moves, but think williams could score in the post just by turning and dunking over people even from a few feet out he has so much bounce.  As for the draft, and looking at  looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year, I think you’re way off the mark there, https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/, has Memphis sitting at 8 which would convey the pick.  Vernon Carey is sitting at 6 which maybe with in the realm of realistic trade up possibilities.  We have our own on Milwalkies pick to move.  Maybe those with one of Edwards or Waters can move up from the 7-9 range to the 5-6 range and a legit shot at Vernon Carey.  Also, currently sitting at 12 is N'Faly Dante who has drawn comparison to Al Horford and would be another solid choice for a big.  Dante is legitimately within the Memphis pick range so no wishing on a start needed there.

Vernon Carey Jr. was UNSTOPPABLE tonight! Duke vs Cal Highlights!
31 points 12 rebs and 4 blocks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0xtWpxwgKM

Class of 2020 Center N'Faly Dante Summer Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0joRRKkPc

I don’t disagree with you have stated. Nice post actually. I don’t argue that there are nice prospects in the draft the problem is who makes the picks. Also Kanter + Theis + Langford make more than $13M combined that should be good for matching some good players salaries

that much salary gets you Larry Nance Jr. or Mason Plumlee, not exactly  moving the needle.

Isn’t it enough for Tristan Thompson or Valanciunas?

[nickagneta]

Danny needs to make some trades. We have decent top 5 players but everything else is garbage. Just package some or most  of the smaller contracts plus some of the picks and bring good players ... is it that difficult .. if he doesn’t make any trades we are looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year.

Easier said than done.   If we’re not trading Kemba, Tatum, Smart, Brown, or Hayward, then what are we really offering?  What we need to do is to play Robert Williams more.  Sure he is making mistakes but we need him to work that out in games.   We need Kanter to teach him how to work in the low post and Theis to help him work on positioning.  Kanter is too slow to be effective against athletic centers and Theis is too weak to be effective against strong centers.  Against strong athletic centers like Allan and Jordan today, a guy like Theis is useless.  Williams has the strength and athleticism to be everything we need.  Scal talked about how Kanter was giving up lob dunks today vs Brookly because of how he plays off his man but Williams wasn’t giving them up.  Kanter has to play off his man in space because he can’t move fast enough latterly to stay on his man if he makes a quick move, but williams can. Williams can also switch effectively because of his quickness.  I really don’t know if Kanter is really any better than williams on the court.  I get that Kanter has nice post moves, but think williams could score in the post just by turning and dunking over people even from a few feet out he has so much bounce.  As for the draft, and looking at  looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year, I think you’re way off the mark there, https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/, has Memphis sitting at 8 which would convey the pick.  Vernon Carey is sitting at 6 which maybe with in the realm of realistic trade up possibilities.  We have our own on Milwalkies pick to move.  Maybe those with one of Edwards or Waters can move up from the 7-9 range to the 5-6 range and a legit shot at Vernon Carey.  Also, currently sitting at 12 is N'Faly Dante who has drawn comparison to Al Horford and would be another solid choice for a big.  Dante is legitimately within the Memphis pick range so no wishing on a start needed there.

Vernon Carey Jr. was UNSTOPPABLE tonight! Duke vs Cal Highlights!
31 points 12 rebs and 4 blocks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0xtWpxwgKM

Class of 2020 Center N'Faly Dante Summer Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0joRRKkPc

I don’t disagree with you have stated. Nice post actually. I don’t argue that there are nice prospects in the draft the problem is who makes the picks. Also Kanter + Theis + Langford make more than $13M combined that should be good for matching some good players salaries

that much salary gets you Larry Nance Jr. or Mason Plumlee, not exactly  moving the needle.

Isn’t it enough for Tristan Thompson or Valanciunas?

You don't trade away a lottery prospect before he can even play some games for a rental like Thompson or someone who isn't all that much better than Enes Kanter, who you are sending out in the trade, like Valanciunas. That's bad roster management, IMO.

You're basically making a trade to simply make a trade. Neither of those guys are worth trading Langford for. Clearly, Celtic management has a much higher opinion of Langford than some fans, mostly because the fans haven't been able to see Langford play healthy so assume he sucks, which is just not very wise, in my book.

[Wretch]

Danny needs to make some trades. We have decent top 5 players but everything else is garbage. Just package some or most  of the smaller contracts plus some of the picks and bring good players ... is it that difficult .. if he doesn’t make any trades we are looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year.

Easier said than done.   If we’re not trading Kemba, Tatum, Smart, Brown, or Hayward, then what are we really offering?  What we need to do is to play Robert Williams more.  Sure he is making mistakes but we need him to work that out in games.   We need Kanter to teach him how to work in the low post and Theis to help him work on positioning.  Kanter is too slow to be effective against athletic centers and Theis is too weak to be effective against strong centers.  Against strong athletic centers like Allan and Jordan today, a guy like Theis is useless.  Williams has the strength and athleticism to be everything we need.  Scal talked about how Kanter was giving up lob dunks today vs Brookly because of how he plays off his man but Williams wasn’t giving them up.  Kanter has to play off his man in space because he can’t move fast enough latterly to stay on his man if he makes a quick move, but williams can. Williams can also switch effectively because of his quickness.  I really don’t know if Kanter is really any better than williams on the court.  I get that Kanter has nice post moves, but think williams could score in the post just by turning and dunking over people even from a few feet out he has so much bounce.  As for the draft, and looking at  looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year, I think you’re way off the mark there, https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/, has Memphis sitting at 8 which would convey the pick.  Vernon Carey is sitting at 6 which maybe with in the realm of realistic trade up possibilities.  We have our own on Milwalkies pick to move.  Maybe those with one of Edwards or Waters can move up from the 7-9 range to the 5-6 range and a legit shot at Vernon Carey.  Also, currently sitting at 12 is N'Faly Dante who has drawn comparison to Al Horford and would be another solid choice for a big.  Dante is legitimately within the Memphis pick range so no wishing on a start needed there.

Vernon Carey Jr. was UNSTOPPABLE tonight! Duke vs Cal Highlights!
31 points 12 rebs and 4 blocks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0xtWpxwgKM

Class of 2020 Center N'Faly Dante Summer Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV0joRRKkPc

I don’t disagree with you have stated. Nice post actually. I don’t argue that there are nice prospects in the draft the problem is who makes the picks. Also Kanter + Theis + Langford make more than $13M combined that should be good for matching some good players salaries

that much salary gets you Larry Nance Jr. or Mason Plumlee, not exactly  moving the needle.

Isn’t it enough for Tristan Thompson or Valanciunas?

TT is 18.5m, JV is 16m.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

[Somebody]

Brown just wasn’t getting the ball for whatever reason. I really can’t put my finger on why he was iced out, but it was also infuriating.

It's been a consistent theme this season tbh.

[Somebody]

"now guys we need to play tiddlywinks on the perimeter with Marcus, Jayson and Kemba, and when Wanamaker comes off the bench the offence needs to run through him. So Jaylen, go set picks and stand in the corner, and whenever you get the ball throw it back out to the four guys I mentioned to reset our anemic offence that doesn't work. No I don't care if you can create better offence than them, go and stand in the corner!"

Wonder if this is what Brad said to the team prior to this game

[RockinRyA]

Danny needs to make some trades. We have decent top 5 players but everything else is garbage. Just package some or most  of the smaller contracts plus some of the picks and bring good players ... is it that difficult .. if he doesn’t make any trades we are looking at 3 more underwhelming rookies next year.

Is it that difficult? Yes. One, its early in the season, a lot of players cannot even be traded yet. Two, it is never guaranteed that any trade you proposed will be agreed to by any team. Three, the team is over the cap, salary matching is difficult, esp trading multiple players for one. Three, as it is early in the season, its still hard to grasp what the real holes of the team are. Hayward isnt playing, what may be a weakness now wont appear to be that important when he plays. Four, there's really no deal out there that would move the needle. If you want a gamechanger, packaging these small contracts wont net one.

Please think it through before spouting nonsense like "is it that difficult"

[RockinRyA]

we got worst bench in NBA

This is a flat out lie. Cut the crap, a  bench lead by Smart and Kanter is no way the worst.