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Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2019, 10:41:23 PM »

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His value went up like Bitcoin the other day

lol I just pulled him off the truck.
Tatum trade value just went up.

I guess Tatum should thank the heavens that Ogaju finally gave his approval....

For the moment.

Players like Tatum takes years to finally develop into a superstar. I seriously think that ECF against Cavs truly spoiled us..
Hey he stinks up the joint he should be traded. He plays well he should stay.

Ogaju, I like you, but it seems like time and time again your patience for players, especially young ones don't seem to last that long.

Wouldn't you want Tatum to do well? So if he sucks, trade him? Yes, because great players never have terrible days? Anyways this thread didn't age well, nor did OP even post once more after his terrible take lol.

just want the Cs to win....that's all. When I say trade a player I am expressing how I feel about him at that particular time. lol

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2019, 10:46:44 PM »

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In fairness to the OP he had 25 points on 22 shots. He has 86 points on 83 shot this year. He in general needs to get a lot better if this team wants to win in the near future.

That said advocating trading a 21 year old with his potential is still pretty silly, unless its for KAT.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2019, 10:47:19 PM »

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I wouldn't trade Tatum for anything less than one of the top 8-10 players in the league, and only then when he's under contract for multiple years.

And lol at fans that lose their minds over 1 half in the 4th game of the season.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2019, 10:50:17 PM »

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What some Celtic fans don't realize is Tatum still contributes if he's not playing well.

He gets rebounds and steals.

Tatum still ends up producing a lot of points even if he's having a bad shooting night.
That's a mark of a scorer.

Also, Tatum closed out the game.
Not only in the 4th, he also gave the Celts some cushion at the end of the 3rd qtr.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2019, 10:50:58 PM »

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absolutely nothing wrong with this thread or OP he asked what can we get for Tatum...... fair question. What if MN sends KAT.

At the time the question was posed I said you couldnt get a bag of donuts. lol.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2019, 10:56:32 PM »

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absolutely nothing wrong with this thread or OP he asked what can we get for Tatum...... fair question. What if MN sends KAT.

At the time the question was posed I said you couldnt get a bag of donuts. lol.

If Minny wants to send KAT then it's a done deal!

I'm a big fan of Tatum, but the team is more important.
So KAT for Tatum is good for the Celts.

Unfortunately the Wolves front office is not crazy.
There's no way they would trade KAT for Tatum.
It's just to ridiculous of an idea.

Only way KAT gets traded is if he will ask for a trade and so far that's not happening.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2019, 11:02:58 PM »

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His value went up like Bitcoin the other day

lol I just pulled him off the truck.
Tatum trade value just went up.

I guess Tatum should thank the heavens that Ogaju finally gave his approval....

For the moment.

Players like Tatum takes years to finally develop into a superstar. I seriously think that ECF against Cavs truly spoiled us..
Hey he stinks up the joint he should be traded. He plays well he should stay.

Ogaju, I like you, but it seems like time and time again your patience for players, especially young ones don't seem to last that long.

Wouldn't you want Tatum to do well? So if he sucks, trade him? Yes, because great players never have terrible days? Anyways this thread didn't age well, nor did OP even post once more after his terrible take lol.

just want the Cs to win....that's all. When I say trade a player I am expressing how I feel about him at that particular time. lol

Probably something you need to work on, it's not an especially good look.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2019, 11:03:23 AM »

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I'm truly over the rediculous people on this board.

You have a 21 year old kid who is 4 games in to his 3rd season averaging 22 and 8 on a playoff team - and this is the type of response people give.

People are complaining he's shown no change thus far.  I beg to differ.

1. One of the biggest complaints people have had about Tatum previously is that he takes too many long midrange jumpers when he should be taking more threes and getting in the paint more.  Last season 18% of his FGA were long (>16 feet) twos.  This year that is down to only 8% of his shows.  Last season only 13% of his shots came from 3-10 feet, this year that's up to 18%.  Last year 30% of his shots were threes, this year it's been 35% (and he's shooting 48% from three, mind you).  He's clearly working hard on settling for less long two's and getting in the paint more.

His turnover rate has also reduced - at 7.3% (versys 10.7% and 9.7% his firest two years) it's the lowest of his career by far.

He's out there pulling down 8-9 rebounds a game, which is a tremendous number considering he's ultimately a 6'8" skinny kid with good but not elite athleticism.  He's out there fighting for rebounds, fighting for loose balls, playing strong defense. 

He's scored at least 20 points in 3 or the Celtics first 4 games.

Is he still making some mistakes?  Yes. 
Are there stil times when he hasn't made the right decision?  Yes.

But these moments are far fewer now then they were in the past,and HE'S 21 YEARS OLD!!! 

On draft day, everybody was downtalking Tatum.  Everybody was doubting him.  He was being undervalued in almost every draft discussion in the Media.  Then he comes out and shuts everybody up by putting up one hell of a rookie year, and going on to lead the Celtics to the ECF in the absense of Kyrie.

Now the media goes from sleeping on the guy to suddenly labling him as a future hall of famer, future top 5 player and all that jazz - throwing all of these crazy expectations on a kid who prior to his rookie year was being doubted by most out there.

Now suddely, just because he's not showing clear signs of being a future top 5 player at the age of 21 and living up to the totally unreasoanble expectation peopel have throw on to his shoulders, all of you guys are hating on him like he is some kind of scrub with no NBA future and talking about trade value.  Like it's Tatum's fault that he has yet to meet the highly ambitious expectations that the media threw on to his shoulders.

Seriously,this is silly.

On draft day two years ago, if I had have come back from the future and told you this "Jayson Tatum" guy we just drafted would be averaging 22 and 8 in year 3 at age 21, while also playing consistently plus defence, on a top 4 seed - you would all be drooling at the mouth. 

But instead you are talking about him like trade bait just because he isn't looking like a top 10 player - something nobody ever would have expected from him until the Media decided to go crazy with their predicions and lump that on to him.   

Yet when Marcus Smart was out there for the last 5 years turning the ball over constantly, hurling up ludcrous contested threesEDIT: Now, Now....that's not nice., totally ignoring all of those negative thigns he does and only focusing on the good things - the game winning plays. 

For goodness sake people, I say again - he's 21 year old.  Giannis at 21 was only averaging 17 and 7.  Steph Curry at 21 was a rookie averaging 17 and 6.  Jimmy Butler at 21 wasn't even in the NBA yet.  Klay Thompson at 21 was averaging 12 PPG as a rookie.  Our much loved Paul Pierce at 21 was a rookie averagfing 16 PPG.  Buddy Hield was still playing College Basketball at age 23.  You could argue that Tatum at age 21 is playing as good as (if not better than) ALL of those stud players were at the same age. 

So please, stop ovdreacting.  Stop projecting unreasonable expectations. Give this kid time to grow.  It may well take another year or two before Tatum actually shows us what he's truly capable of.  Judging a player - ANY player - at this age is just ludicrous. 

Tatum is a good kid.  He doesnt complain EVER.  He's modest.  He seems highly coachable.  He doesn't get in to trouble off the court.  He plays both ends when he's on the court.  He's about as close to the "model NBA player" as I've seen from a 21 year old top 3 pick.  On top of that he has boatloads of talent and has already shown signs of leadership.  I dont understand how anybody could possible feel anything but proud of this kid. 
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Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2019, 11:09:46 AM »

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I agree with the above anger about Tatum, but highly doubt the people overreacting and wanting to trade him were Marcus Smart defenders.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2019, 11:21:34 AM »

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absolutely nothing wrong with this thread or OP he asked what can we get for Tatum...... fair question. What if MN sends KAT.

At the time the question was posed I said you couldnt get a bag of donuts. lol.

If Minny wants to send KAT then it's a done deal!

I'm a big fan of Tatum, but the team is more important.
So KAT for Tatum is good for the Celts.

Unfortunately the Wolves front office is not crazy.
There's no way they would trade KAT for Tatum.
It's just to ridiculous of an idea.

Only way KAT gets traded is if he will ask for a trade and so far that's not happening.

I'm pretty sure Tatum in two years, at age 21, has ALREADY led his team to more playoff success the KAT has. 

Tatum has carried his team to the ECF as the best player on the team, and he did it as a 19 year old rookie.

KAT has struggled on an annual basis to even lead his team to MAKE the playoffs.  He shows no sign of fight, no sign of leadership, and he got exposed by Jimmy Buter as being a soft, lazy prima donna who lacks work ethic and who seems to think that simply standing around while being talented is going to tbe enough to take him to the promised land. 

I'll keep Tatum, thanks.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2019, 11:28:31 AM »

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In fairness to the OP he had 25 points on 22 shots. He has 86 points on 83 shot this year. He in general needs to get a lot better if this team wants to win in the near future.

That said advocating trading a 21 year old with his potential is still pretty silly, unless its for KAT.

And it's four games in to the season.

And hes shooting 38% from the field, which is clearly an anomoly given that he shot 47.5% FG in year 1 and 45% FG in year 2. 

His 3PT percentage is up to 48% which is the highest of his carrer, despite him taking almost double the number of attempts, so it's not like he has suddenly forgotten how to shoot.  It's just early in the seson, and he's struggling and missing some shots he normally makes.  Happens to everybody.

Hell Kemba played terribly the first two games of the season then went on to put up two 30+ point games.  Even veteran all stars go through bad shooting stretches.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2019, 11:29:41 AM »

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absolutely nothing wrong with this thread or OP he asked what can we get for Tatum...... fair question. What if MN sends KAT.

At the time the question was posed I said you couldnt get a bag of donuts. lol.

If Minny wants to send KAT then it's a done deal!

I'm a big fan of Tatum, but the team is more important.
So KAT for Tatum is good for the Celts.

Unfortunately the Wolves front office is not crazy.
There's no way they would trade KAT for Tatum.
It's just to ridiculous of an idea.

Only way KAT gets traded is if he will ask for a trade and so far that's not happening.

I'm pretty sure Tatum in two years, at age 21, has ALREADY led his team to more playoff success the KAT has. 

Tatum has carried his team to the ECF as the best player on the team, and he did it as a 19 year old rookie.

KAT has struggled on an annual basis to even lead his team to MAKE the playoffs.  He shows no sign of fight, no sign of leadership, and he got exposed by Jimmy Buter as being a soft, lazy prima donna who lacks work ethic and who seems to think that simply standing around while being talented is going to tbe enough to take him to the promised land. 

I'll keep Tatum, thanks.

   He hasn’t carried a team anywhere. It’s debatable if Brown was a better playoff performer ( considering his defense ) but either way he wasn’t the best player on that playoff team. It was Horford by a mile.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2019, 11:31:50 AM »

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His value went up like Bitcoin the other day

lol I just pulled him off the truck.
Tatum trade value just went up.

I guess Tatum should thank the heavens that Ogaju finally gave his approval....

For the moment.

Players like Tatum takes years to finally develop into a superstar. I seriously think that ECF against Cavs truly spoiled us..
Hey he stinks up the joint he should be traded. He plays well he should stay.

Ogaju, I like you, but it seems like time and time again your patience for players, especially young ones don't seem to last that long.

Wouldn't you want Tatum to do well? So if he sucks, trade him? Yes, because great players never have terrible days? Anyways this thread didn't age well, nor did OP even post once more after his terrible take lol.

just want the Cs to win....that's all. When I say trade a player I am expressing how I feel about him at that particular time. lol

Probably something you need to work on, it's not an especially good look.

I will stay just the way I am with my entertainment time and dollars. Thank you. You need to work on telling people how to enjoy their time.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2019, 11:39:16 AM »

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This season has shown me that the idea of having a foursome like Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson and Gordon is actually going to work much better than anyone expected.

What has encouraged me is that finally, Stevens is willing to organize the team around these four, and give them each roughly 20 shots. No off the bench shooters, no major scoring role for anyone else. Play them with four complimentary players who don't need shots in Theis, Williams, Williams and Smart. Last night, Marcus got hot and simulated Jaylen's role, but he can't keep that up.

This foursome has had some terrible stretches individually. The criticism of Tatum is reasonable. But the overall impact of having four guys constantly attacking averaging 20 points plus per game is wearing teams down. Eventually they break out and score in bunches. They all should keep shooting.

There will be more ugly stretches. But this is going to work, and these four guys will get better fast. Brown and Tatum will be different guys by the end of the year, and this is going to be a great team to watch.

Re: What can we get for Tatum?
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2019, 11:45:31 AM »

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This season has shown me that the idea of having a foursome like Kemba, Jaylen, Jayson and Gordon is actually going to work much better than anyone expected.

What has encouraged me is that finally, Stevens is willing to organize the team around these four, and give them each roughly 20 shots. No off the bench shooters, no major scoring role for anyone else. Play them with four complimentary players who don't need shots in Theis, Williams, Williams and Smart. Last night, Marcus got hot and simulated Jaylen's role, but he can't keep that up.

This foursome has had some terrible stretches individually. The criticism of Tatum is reasonable. But the overall impact of having four guys constantly attacking averaging 20 points plus per game is wearing teams down. Eventually they break out and score in bunches. They all should keep shooting.

There will be more ugly stretches. But this is going to work, and these four guys will get better fast. Brown and Tatum will be different guys by the end of the year, and this is going to be a great team to watch.

Agree completely. Basically those guys take the shots and fill out the periphery with guys like Smart, Williams, other Williams, semi ect who will do dirty work on defense set screens, shoot open threes.

I still dont know what the team ceiling is without a defensive minded big man, but if nothing else I don't think the team will go quietly in the playoffs like last year.