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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #555 on: November 12, 2019, 10:54:37 AM »

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I know its early but Raptors showed that Lakers is weak against teams with multiple wing defenders who can switch and recover quickly. AKA small ball works against them.

Sorry, but this "small ball" needs to die a quick death.

Small ball is a clear path to a dead end.

The opposing team will go big and will eat the team playing small ball alive for dinner.

Warriors say hi.

Warriors also played with big men like McGee, Pachulia, Bogut, Cousins, Ezeli, Jason Thompson, Kevon Looney, Varajeo.

The idea that the Warriors got by without size is very misleading

A few things about that: 1) Ezeli was abused by Lebron the year the Cavs beat them. Bringing him up actually works against you.
2) They did stick with a traditional big for large parts of the game, but when they had to go on a run, or in crunch time, they went small-ball against teams. This was, at least partially, because it would be too much to expect Green, Iggy, Barnes, or Durant to match up with a big for the whole game.
3) Many of the guys you listed were just guys--placeholders on the court until Kerr could get to his small-ball lineup.
4) Cousins, the most dominate big man on that list, notably hurt their offense and defense.
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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #556 on: November 12, 2019, 11:05:10 AM »

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I know its early but Raptors showed that Lakers is weak against teams with multiple wing defenders who can switch and recover quickly. AKA small ball works against them.

Sorry, but this "small ball" needs to die a quick death.

Small ball is a clear path to a dead end.

The opposing team will go big and will eat the team playing small ball alive for dinner.

Warriors say hi.

Warriors also played with big men like McGee, Pachulia, Bogut, Cousins, Ezeli, Jason Thompson, Kevon Looney, Varajeo.

The idea that the Warriors got by without size is very misleading

A few things about that: 1) Ezeli was abused by Lebron the year the Cavs beat them. Bringing him up actually works against you.
2) They did stick with a traditional big for large parts of the game, but when they had to go on a run, or in crunch time, they went small-ball against teams. This was, at least partially, because it would be too much to expect Green, Iggy, Barnes, or Durant to match up with a big for the whole game.
3) Many of the guys you listed were just guys--placeholders on the court until Kerr could get to his small-ball lineup.
4) Cousins, the most dominate big man on that list, notably hurt their offense and defense.

And if I recall, the Cavs also had Love and Thompson who did a pretty good job holding their own inside the perimeter.

Also, wasn't Mozgov a key part of that season's team or is this around the time they stopped playing him?

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #557 on: November 12, 2019, 11:11:22 AM »

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Small ball isn't going away if you got guys who can shoot.
I mean we saw what the Celtics were able to do to Embiid with Horford.

You want 4 players who can guard on the perimeter now-a-days and 4 guys who can shoot on the court. I don't think that's going away.

If anything what is going to happen is big men will start shooting enough to enable them to be on the court. That will be how teams "go big again".

Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #558 on: November 12, 2019, 11:13:58 AM »

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Small ball isn't going away if you got guys who can shoot.
I mean we saw what the Celtics were able to do to Embiid with Horford.

You want 4 players who can guard on the perimeter now-a-days and 4 guys who can shoot on the court. I don't think that's going away.

If anything what is going to happen is big men will start shooting enough to enable them to be on the court. That will be how teams "go big again".

Agree.  The game has been evolving that way for sometime now.   


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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #559 on: November 12, 2019, 11:18:36 AM »

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I know its early but Raptors showed that Lakers is weak against teams with multiple wing defenders who can switch and recover quickly. AKA small ball works against them.

Sorry, but this "small ball" needs to die a quick death.

Small ball is a clear path to a dead end.

The opposing team will go big and will eat the team playing small ball alive for dinner.

Warriors say hi.

Warriors also played with big men like McGee, Pachulia, Bogut, Cousins, Ezeli, Jason Thompson, Kevon Looney, Varajeo.

The idea that the Warriors got by without size is very misleading

A few things about that: 1) Ezeli was abused by Lebron the year the Cavs beat them. Bringing him up actually works against you.
2) They did stick with a traditional big for large parts of the game, but when they had to go on a run, or in crunch time, they went small-ball against teams. This was, at least partially, because it would be too much to expect Green, Iggy, Barnes, or Durant to match up with a big for the whole game.
3) Many of the guys you listed were just guys--placeholders on the court until Kerr could get to his small-ball lineup.
4) Cousins, the most dominate big man on that list, notably hurt their offense and defense.

And if I recall, the Cavs also had Love and Thompson who did a pretty good job holding their own inside the perimeter.

Also, wasn't Mozgov a key part of that season's team or is this around the time they stopped playing him?

I donít think youíre recalling correctly.  Love had a really bad Finals, and was pretty much a non-factor in the Cavs wins.  He didnít play in Game 3 (Cavs won by 30).  In game 5 he had 2 points and 3 rebounds in 33 minutes.  Game 6 he only played 12 minutes.  Game 7 was his best performance in their four wins, scoring 9 points and getting 14 rebounds in 30 minutes.  Love did not hold is own.

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« Reply #560 on: November 12, 2019, 12:37:31 PM »

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« Reply #561 on: November 12, 2019, 01:06:29 PM »

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Small ball isn't going away if you got guys who can shoot.
I mean we saw what the Celtics were able to do to Embiid with Horford.

You want 4 players who can guard on the perimeter now-a-days and 4 guys who can shoot on the court. I don't think that's going away.

If anything what is going to happen is big men will start shooting enough to enable them to be on the court. That will be how teams "go big again".

Agree.  The game has been evolving that way for sometime now.

Kinda makes me wonder, if a guy like Durant was born 30 years earlier would he have just been used as a skinny center and taught post moves growing up?

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« Reply #562 on: November 12, 2019, 01:50:40 PM »

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Small ball isn't going away if you got guys who can shoot.
I mean we saw what the Celtics were able to do to Embiid with Horford.

You want 4 players who can guard on the perimeter now-a-days and 4 guys who can shoot on the court. I don't think that's going away.

If anything what is going to happen is big men will start shooting enough to enable them to be on the court. That will be how teams "go big again".

Agree.  The game has been evolving that way for sometime now.

Kinda makes me wonder, if a guy like Durant was born 30 years earlier would he have just been used as a skinny center and taught post moves growing up?

Almost certainly.


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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #563 on: November 12, 2019, 01:52:36 PM »

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Small ball isn't going away if you got guys who can shoot.
I mean we saw what the Celtics were able to do to Embiid with Horford.

You want 4 players who can guard on the perimeter now-a-days and 4 guys who can shoot on the court. I don't think that's going away.

If anything what is going to happen is big men will start shooting enough to enable them to be on the court. That will be how teams "go big again".

Agree.  The game has been evolving that way for sometime now.

Kinda makes me wonder, if a guy like Durant was born 30 years earlier would he have just been used as a skinny center and taught post moves growing up?

Almost certainly.

He was.

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« Reply #564 on: November 12, 2019, 02:06:43 PM »

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Small ball isn't going away if you got guys who can shoot.
I mean we saw what the Celtics were able to do to Embiid with Horford.

You want 4 players who can guard on the perimeter now-a-days and 4 guys who can shoot on the court. I don't think that's going away.

If anything what is going to happen is big men will start shooting enough to enable them to be on the court. That will be how teams "go big again".

Agree.  The game has been evolving that way for sometime now.

Kinda makes me wonder, if a guy like Durant was born 30 years earlier would he have just been used as a skinny center and taught post moves growing up?

Almost certainly.

He was.

George Ice Gervin.

I don't know. KD has what, 3-4 inches on Gervin?  Durant was 6 feet tall already in middle school.  If he was brought up in the 70s/80s, he would've seemingly been pigeonholed by a coach or series of coaches into a center position which was certainly treated & coached up differently.  I'd have to assume his game would've evolved differently and he'd have turned into a post player. 


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Re: NBA 2019-2020 season thread
« Reply #565 on: November 12, 2019, 08:00:56 PM »

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Simmons doing his standard big stats against a bottom feeder routines... god i can't stand that guy. Cavs only down 6 at half though.
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Simmons doing his standard big stats against a bottom feeder routines... god i can't stand that guy. Cavs only down 6 at half though.
It's beautiful knowing that once again his inability to actually develop as a player will disable their offence come playoff time though! I always keep that in mind when faced with his insufferable nature.
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« Reply #568 on: November 12, 2019, 08:58:53 PM »

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4th Q, Cleveland up on Phili!!

This would be absolutely amazing if they lost this game.

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« Reply #569 on: November 12, 2019, 09:06:07 PM »

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4th Q, Cleveland up on Phili!!

This would be absolutely amazing if they lost this game.
It is the only reason Iím watching ! Hoping to see the sixers lose.
Almost as fun as the lakers.